[USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community gardenplan

[David Goldstein]

Rufus,

Maybe mushrooms don't "accumulate really high levels" of lead (your post from 5/4/09, 8:43 AM) or "accumulate.. much Pb" (your post from 5/7/09, 11:30 AM), but over time, couldn't their repeated growth effectively reduce levels?

Your citation of the Chaney/Angle/Broadhurst research leads to http://ag.udel.edu/soilchem/Chaney07JEQabs.pdf (abstract) and http://ag.udel.edu/soilchem/Chaney07JEQ.pdf (the actual paper, in PDF), saying Pb uptake worked well only on soils with low levels of phosphate and sulfate, but this was in reference to the use of Indian mustard, not mushrooms (page 1430, middle of the right column).

 http://planet.wwu.edu/archives/2008/articles/winter/shroom-vacuum.php says mushrooms do remove lead, as well as other soil contaminants.  Am I right to read into your posts that you aren't disputing the benefits of phytoextraction, specifically mycoremediation (with mushrooms), for other soil contaminants? For example, do you agree mushrooms remove arsenic? You are just doubting the effectiveness of lead removal using mushrooms, right?  Even the paper you cited states, "Several elements may provide economic phytomining potential with known plant species (Ni, Co, Tl, Au)" (page 1432, middle of left column).

REgards,
D.G.

On 4-May-09, at 8:43 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:

> Dear Barbara Emeneau:
>
> For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
> plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add  
> EDTA
> to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
> addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
> groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
> using chelating agents such as EDTA.
>
> Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
> really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
> deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
> plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
> the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.
>
> Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature on
> this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
> phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
> plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high  
> annual
> removals.
>
> I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil  
> metals.
> We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using true
> hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
> accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used  
> in
> commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus Chaney
> USDA-Agricultural Research Service
> Beltsville, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> apismno at aol.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
> plan
>
> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
> lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
> ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
> Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take
> several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to  
> remediate,
> yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
>
> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
>
> Barbara Emeneau
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
>
>
> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
>
> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was
> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and
> hydrocarbons.
>
> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of
> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
>
> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
>
>
> Paul Hughes
> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity 
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>>> "Heide Hermary" <heidehermary at pacificcoast.net> 05/08/2009 9:02 PM >>>
Here is the list provided by Joshua,taken from "Mycelium Running" by  
Paul Stamets:

Numbers represent the bioaccumulation factor which indicates how many  
times more concentrated the metal is compared to the background level.
Note: mushrooms listed without accumulation number have no research to  
tell us the bioaccumulation factor, just that they do concentrate lead.
Factors may vary between samples, this is only to be used for further  
comparison or further research.

Agaricus bitorquis  23X
Agaricus campestris  10X
Boletus edulis  X
Chlorophyllum rachodes  X
Lycoperdon perlatum
Morchella spp  70-100X
Morchella atretomentosa  X
Suillus tomentosus  67X

Obviously many variables can affect the mushroom's ability to  
hyperaccumulate toxins, and results could vary substantially between  
sites. I suggest that anyone wanting more information read the book,  
or contact Paul Stamets directly (www.fungiperfecti.com). This is a  
new field of research and practice.

Cheers, Heide

Heide Hermary
Gaia College
http://www.gaiacollege.ca 



On 7-May-09, at 11:30 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:

> Dear USCC colleagues:
>
> Despite the statement below, I know of no mushroom that accumulates  
> much
> Pb. And the annual yield of mushrooms, and growth conditions, do not
> lend themselves to removal of Pb from contaminated soils. I can  
> provide
> extensive literature to back up my earlier statement, as most you  
> would
> expect of me. And my review paper in JEQ covered the important details
> of why Pb phytoextraction is not real: high cost; no hyperaccumulator;
> can't use chelators needed to get much Pb uptake; phosphate needed to
> support plant growth inhibits Pb movement to shoots.
>
> Chaney, R.L., J.S. Angle, C.L. Broadhurst, C.A. Peters, R.V. Tappero  
> and
> D.L. Sparks. 2007. Improved understanding of hyperaccumulation yields
> commercial phytoextraction and phytomining technologies. J. Environ.
> Qual. 36:1429-1443.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus Chaney
> USDA-ARS-EMBUL
> Beltsville, MD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Heide  
> Hermary
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:19 AM
> To: Compost Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
> plan
>
> I posted this topic to our student forum and received this info from
> one of our students:
>
> mycoremediation...........has many solutions to pulling up heavy
> metals.......including lead  which can render this soil safe for
> growing food.  if you want a list of mushrooms which will do this let
> me know and i will send them..  mushrooms will definitely work for
> this project....with very little expense if resources are available
> from the community locally.   and yes the mushrooms grown will have to
> be disposed of properly........peace and thank you for your outreach.
> joshua.
> mycelium running   page 102  has an extensive list  including lists
> for hydrocarbons on different pages.   i would be happy to explain the
> process as well as i am very excited about the subject.
> Joshua
> eternalovespirit at gmail.com 
>
> Cheers,
> Heide Hermary
> Gaia College
> http://www.gaiacollege.ca 
>
>
>
> On 4-May-09, at 8:43 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:
>
>> Dear Barbara Emeneau:
>>
>> For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
>> plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add
>> EDTA
>> to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
>> addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
>> groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
>> using chelating agents such as EDTA.
>>
>> Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
>> really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
>> deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
>> plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
>> the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.
>>
>> Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature  
>> on
>> this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
>> phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
>> plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high
>> annual
>> removals.
>>
>> I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil
>> metals.
>> We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using  
>> true
>> hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
>> accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used
>> in
>> commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rufus Chaney
>> USDA-Agricultural Research Service
>> Beltsville, MD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
>> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of
>> apismno at aol.com 
>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
>> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com 
>> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
>> plan
>>
>> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
>> lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
>> ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
>> Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could  
>> take
>> several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to
>> remediate,
>> yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
>>
>> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
>>
>> Barbara Emeneau
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
>> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
>> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
>> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>>
>>
>>
>> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
>>
>> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>>
>> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was
>> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and
>> hydrocarbons.
>>
>> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of
>> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
>>
>> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
>> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
>>
>>
>> Paul Hughes
>> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
>> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
>> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
>> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity 
>> c403.383.3420
>>
>> P    Please consider the environment before printing this email
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