From apismno at aol.com  Fri May  1 10:06:55 2009
From: apismno at aol.com (apismno@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:06:55 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
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There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.? Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to remediate, yet probably doable for reasonable cost.

It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.

Barbara Emeneau


-----Original Message-----
From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan



Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?

Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan

Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was  
fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and  
hydrocarbons.

According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of  
Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.

full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/ 
ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html


Paul Hughes
Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity
c403.383.3420

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From jac at magicsoil.com  Sat May  2 10:11:14 2009
From: jac at magicsoil.com (John A. Crockett)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:11:14 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Composting & PREVENTING Foul Odors
Message-ID: <200905021511.n42FBoss029768@omr11.networksolutionsemail.com>

This morning I got the following as part of an e-mail from a new friend:

"they (referring to a composter using AgBag, composting food residuals) have
a huge facility on a road I used to live on. I'm afraid that the neighbors
aren't as enthusiastic about it as the consumers are...the stench in the
summer is hideous and the huge trucks that come and go on a small country
road all day are really awful."

I believe that, We, as the composting industry, have a responsibility to
society and our environment, to compost without releasing foul odors or
endangering ground water quality.  

If anyone has cross section profile oxygen and CO2 data from passively
aerated windrows that shows oxygen levels in the center > 10%, and active
bacteria population > 5.0E+8, per gram, dry weight, I would like to see the
data, and is it replicated.

It was over 13 years go that I got my first set of oxygen and CO2 meters,
and very quickly my meters convinced me that passive aeration by convection
does not provide enough oxygen for the aerobic microbes to work up to their
potential, that full time forced aeration is vital, 24/7, and full time does
not mean on/off, intermittent, it means on, all the time, adjusting the rate
of air flow to maintain oxygen > 17% without too much cooling.

I've also learned from our hands on research that the off-gas from early
stage food compost, the way we pre-process, the feedstocks we use, must go
through our Dynamic Bio-Filters to remove the foul odors.  While there may
be claims that keeping the oxygen > 15% will prevent foul odors, my research
has consistently shown that even when oxygen is maintained > 17%, that we
need to bio-filter.

Our own experience with our Dynamic Bio-Filters is that they work best when
we turn the medium at least once every other week, re-hydrating as
necessary.  With our technology, the cost is zero, because it is an integral
part of our managing our compost, to provide the microbes with the best
working conditions that we know how to provide.

So, the bottom like is:  We have the tools to prevent foul odors, and we've
got to use those tool, so that neighbors are not subjected to foul odors
from our composting operations.

Working Together to Create a Sustainable Environment,
John A. Crockett, a.k.a. Dr. Mike Robe
Mother Nature's Farms
(845) 225-7763
http://www.magicsoil.com/
jac at magicsoil.com
? 


From jac at magicsoil.com  Sun May  3 06:40:40 2009
From: jac at magicsoil.com (John A. Crockett)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 07:40:40 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Oxygen In Compost
Message-ID: <200905031141.n43BfGvR007757@omr11.networksolutionsemail.com>

I am observing indications that CO2 > 4% in compost appears to suppress the
activity of aerobic bacteria.  Does anyone else have information on this?

I see indications that this deserves more research.  If CO2 > 4% does, in
fact, inhibit microbial activity, then it seems very important to hold the
CO2 level below 4%.

I observed this in compost that is getting 9.6 times its own volume, in
fresh air, every hour, 24/7, and is maintaining temperatures in the 151 -
164? (Fahrenheit) range.

Since the aeration system utilizes our Dynamic Bio-Filtering technology,
there is no foul odor getting beyond the compost and aeration system. While
there is significant foul odor in the air coming out of the early stage food
compost, those odors are contained within the aeration system, and our
Dynamic Bio-Filters are successfully scrubbing the foul odors.

Working Together to Create a Sustainable Environment,
John A. Crockett, a.k.a. Dr. Mike Robe 
Mother Nature's Farms
(845) 225-7763
http://www.magicsoil.com/
jac at magicsoil.com
? 


From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org  Mon May  4 07:52:17 2009
From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:52:17 -0400
Subject: [USCC] FW: Compost specifications for reclamation
Message-ID: <015101c9ccb7$27c0d480$77427d80$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>

Compost world,
The gentleman below contacted me looking for specifications for compost for
mineland reclamation. Suggestions and examples can be sent directly to:

JOHN BEAVER
WESTECH Environmental Services, Inc.
P.O. Box 6045
Helena, Montana 59604
406.442.0950 (office)
jbeaver at westech-env.com 

Thanks,
Cary

____________________________________
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Assistant Director of Programs
US Composting Council
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Allentown, PA 18104
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From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV  Mon May  4 10:42:10 2009
From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:42:10 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
In-Reply-To: <8CB988598F4171C-1134-BB@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B0353259F@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>

Dear Paul Hughes and Barbara Emeneau:

I just responded to the phytoextraction question, but I have information
which could help with the original issue, Pb contamination of a
community garden. All urban soils are contaminated with Pb. The issue is
the level of Pb. The key risk is soil ingestion by children, not uptake
of Pb by garden foods. And methods have been developed to treat soils
with phosphate rich composts to reduce the bioavailability of soil Pb.
Most regulators measure only total soil Pb and presume it is all
bioavailable. But research has shown that at least to 400 ppm Pb in soil
(US Gov. limit for HUD and EPA for soils where children may play), there
is no demonstrable risk to children from the soil Pb. Adding phosphate
or compost rich in phosphate cause the formation of a very low
solubility and low bioavailability Pb compound, Pb-pyromorphite. We did
a large study in Joplin, MO, and showed at 69% reduction in
bioavailability to humans by conducting a human volunteer feeding test.
I can't attach PDF files to messages to USCC, but let me know if you
want some papers about reducing Pb bioavailability to protect children.
In the US, treatment to reduce soil Pb bioavailability is recognized by
US-EPA, and there is a soil test for bioaccessible Pb (correlated with
bioavailable) to use instead of the total soil Pb to decide if a soil is
too contaminated to use for gardening or to allow children access.

Regards,

Rufus Chaney
USDA-ARS
Beltsville, MD
Rufus.Chaney at ars.usda.gov

-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
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apismno at aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
plan

There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take
several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to remediate,
yet probably doable for reasonable cost.

It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.

Barbara Emeneau


-----Original Message-----
From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan



Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?

Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan

Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was  
fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and  
hydrocarbons.

According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of  
Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.

full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/ 
ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html


Paul Hughes
Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity
c403.383.3420

P    Please consider the environment before printing this email

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From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV  Mon May  4 10:43:36 2009
From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:43:36 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
Message-ID: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B035325A1@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>

Dear Barbara Emeneau:

For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add EDTA
to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
using chelating agents such as EDTA.

Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.

Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature on
this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high annual
removals.

I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil metals.
We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using true
hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used in
commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.

Regards,

Rufus Chaney
USDA-Agricultural Research Service
Beltsville, MD

-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of
apismno at aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
plan

There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take
several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to remediate,
yet probably doable for reasonable cost.

It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.

Barbara Emeneau


-----Original Message-----
From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan



Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?

Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan

Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was  
fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and  
hydrocarbons.

According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of  
Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.

full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/ 
ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html


Paul Hughes
Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity
c403.383.3420

P    Please consider the environment before printing this email

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Recycling 
Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses,
Educational & 
Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment
Demonstrations at 
the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights &
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Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek
Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration
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From office at abovecapricorn.com.au  Mon May  4 22:52:27 2009
From: office at abovecapricorn.com.au (Office)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:22:27 +0930
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan -
	Lead
In-Reply-To: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B0353259F@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>
References: <8CB988598F4171C-1134-BB@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com>
	<AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B0353259F@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>
Message-ID: <149239CD879C4458987F5CD4FAF01C70@homekcvo2certu>

I support the comments and options proposed by Rufus Chaney regarding lead
in soil issues.

While the broad solutions proposed of limiting bioavailable Pb through
"locking up" the Pb do work, the biggest issue will be issues around public
perception, by public officials who are notoriously ultra risk averse these
days, and do not seem to understand some of the science being used, or maybe
do not want to, due to the litigious public.  The there is the "mums and
dads" issue in which dealing with the public makes even starting along the
solution pathway fraught with potholes and sidetracks.

IT IS DOABLE...........it is good science, and it works.

I have some reservations about the level of the US EPA Pb level for soils of
400ppm.  It is lower in Australia. I have been involved with some Pb
poisoning cases over the past few years due to young children actually
ingesting Pb contaminated soil [partially accidently, partially through
playing in the soil - and licking fingers etc]. I do caution that lower
levels than 400ppm should be the aim in any remediation if possible, and
that low bioavailability is important.


Peter G Harrison
Above Capricorn Technologies
Agricultural & Environmental Consultants
PO Box 736  Nightcliff   NT   0814   Australia
 
office at abovecapricorn.com.au
http://abovecapricorn.blogspot.com
 
phone: +61 8 8948 1894   fax: +61 8 8948 3894
 
www.abovecapricorn.com.au  [in development]
 
ABN 73 215 304 514
 
"delivering superior technology and skilled services to improve agricultural
and environmental outcomes in the tropics"
 
ompostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org


From howard at stenndesign.com  Mon May  4 12:08:42 2009
From: howard at stenndesign.com (howard stenn)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:08:42 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Fwd: LEED credits for compost use
References: <A03F89C1-CB5E-42B0-8B50-33C7E4918A6A@stenndesign.com>
Message-ID: <FECF0C51-C5A7-4FDF-8860-1B23B69A0EDB@stenndesign.com>


>
> Hello,
> Do you know of projects that have received LEED credits for use of  
> compost in the MR categories:  3-Materials Reuse, 4-Recycled  
> Content, 5-Regional Materials, or 6-Rapidly Renewable? Soil and LCD  
> are explicitly excluded from MR 2-Construction Waste Management; but  
> the others are vague.
> Howard Stenn
> Stenn Design
> 206.463.6523
> howard at stenndesign.com
>


From lindsay.bramwell at newcastle.ac.uk  Tue May  5 02:14:27 2009
From: lindsay.bramwell at newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay Bramwell)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:14:27 +0100
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
In-Reply-To: <8CB988598F4171C-1134-BB@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com>
References: <6151E9F8-F09B-41A8-877F-C593A5074690@netidea.com>
	<8CB988598F4171C-1134-BB@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <EB86790AC766B8489A27358E489C958C1C99393E49@EXSAN02.campus.ncl.ac.uk>

Hi Paul,

Has there been any work looking into the bioaccessible (effective) lead concentration and vegetable uptake of lead? And do you know what the source of this contamination is?

I've been working on human health risk assessment for community gardens for a few years now and for sources such as coal fire ash usd as a soil conditioner (lead is often found in coal) and ash from bonfires containing painted (lead paint) window frames bioaccessibility and plant uptake are low.

I'm happy to discuss in more detail if you would like to contact me personally.

Lindsay
lindsay.bramwell at ncl.ac.uk
+44 (0) 191 2225673

Institute of Health & Society
Newcastle University


-----Original Message-----
From: apismno at aol.com [mailto:apismno at aol.com] 
Sent: 01 May 2009 16:07
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan

There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.? Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to remediate, yet probably doable for reasonable cost.

It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.

Barbara Emeneau


-----Original Message-----
From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan



Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?

Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan

Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and hydrocarbons.

According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.

full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html


Paul Hughes
Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity
c403.383.3420

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From d.pascoe at sympatico.ca  Tue May  5 09:14:45 2009
From: d.pascoe at sympatico.ca (d.pascoe@sympatico.ca)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:14:45 +0000
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
In-Reply-To: <8CB988598F4171C-1134-BB@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com>
References: <6151E9F8-F09B-41A8-877F-C593A5074690@netidea.com>
	<8CB988598F4171C-1134-BB@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL103-W26E5778A52D35487BB021BF0690@phx.gbl>


Here in Grand Valley Ontario we performed a bio-remediation project to clean up a fuel oil tanker spill around a former C0-OP site using deep layers of leaf mulch under sown with a compost inoculant that contained very high levels of archaeobacteria. The surrounds of the site are planted with a belt of trees, Hybrid Poplars, Red Oak and Sugar Maples to penetrate lower levels and act as a measure of control for any missed plugs over the long term. They actual site was non detectable in two years of this process and is now in the process of being set aside for park space.

Regards Peter Turrell

Millennium Institution

Grand Valley Ontario

Canada L0N 1G0

519-928-9997
 
> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
> Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:06:55 -0400
> From: apismno at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
> 
> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.? Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to remediate, yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
> 
> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
> 
> Barbara Emeneau
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
> 
> 
> 
> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
> 
> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
> 
> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was 
> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and 
> hydrocarbons.
> 
> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of 
> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
> 
> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/ 
> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
> 
> 
> Paul Hughes
> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity
> c403.383.3420
> 
> P Please consider the environment before printing this email
> 
> _______________________________________
> Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, 
> January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & 
> Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling 
> Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & 
> Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at 
> the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, 
> Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities 
> available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 
> 631.737.4931
> _____________________________________________________________________________
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> _______________________________________
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> 
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> Board of Directors.
> 
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> 
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From heidehermary at pacificcoast.net  Thu May  7 00:18:40 2009
From: heidehermary at pacificcoast.net (Heide Hermary)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:18:40 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
In-Reply-To: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B035325A1@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>
References: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B035325A1@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>
Message-ID: <8B0449F8-6079-42FD-B7EA-9F2646B02D30@pacificcoast.net>

I posted this topic to our student forum and received this info from  
one of our students:

mycoremediation...........has many solutions to pulling up heavy  
metals.......including lead  which can render this soil safe for  
growing food.  if you want a list of mushrooms which will do this let  
me know and i will send them..  mushrooms will definitely work for  
this project....with very little expense if resources are available  
from the community locally.   and yes the mushrooms grown will have to  
be disposed of properly........peace and thank you for your outreach.
joshua.                                                          
mycelium running   page 102  has an extensive list  including lists  
for hydrocarbons on different pages.   i would be happy to explain the  
process as well as i am very excited about the subject.
Joshua
eternalovespirit at gmail.com

Cheers,
Heide Hermary
Gaia College
http://www.gaiacollege.ca



On 4-May-09, at 8:43 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:

> Dear Barbara Emeneau:
>
> For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
> plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add  
> EDTA
> to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
> addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
> groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
> using chelating agents such as EDTA.
>
> Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
> really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
> deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
> plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
> the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.
>
> Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature on
> this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
> phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
> plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high  
> annual
> removals.
>
> I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil  
> metals.
> We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using true
> hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
> accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used  
> in
> commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus Chaney
> USDA-Agricultural Research Service
> Beltsville, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of
> apismno at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
> plan
>
> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
> lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
> ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
> Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take
> several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to  
> remediate,
> yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
>
> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
>
> Barbara Emeneau
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
>
>
> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
>
> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was
> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and
> hydrocarbons.
>
> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of
> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
>
> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
>
>
> Paul Hughes
> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity
> c403.383.3420
>
> P    Please consider the environment before printing this email
>
> _______________________________________
> Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade
> Show,
> January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest
> Conference &
> Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics
> Recycling
> Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses,
> Educational &
> Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment
> Demonstrations at
> the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights &
> Program,
> Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship  
> Opportunities
> available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the  
> USCC
> at
> 631.737.4931
> ________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
> http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost
> _______________________________________
> This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC).
> (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights
> reserved
>
> Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the
> Foundation, or the
> Board of Directors.
>
> Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its
> website at:
> http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm
>
> Members posting CC copies
> to the list and other addresses may have their posting
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> send
> a
> message to the List Manager at  
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>
> _______________________________________
> Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade
> Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The  
> Largest
> Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood  
> Waste,
> & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of
> Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility
> Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek
> Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration
> forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available  
> at
> the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at
> 631.737.4931
> ________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
> http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost
> _______________________________________
> This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC).
> (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights
> reserved
>
> Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the
> Foundation, or the Board of Directors.
>
> Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its
> website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm
>
> Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have  
> their
> posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and
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> send
> a message to the List Manager at
> compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org
> _______________________________________
> Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference &  
> Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL.  
> The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the  
> Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most  
> Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical  
> Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations  
> at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights  
> & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship  
> Opportunities available at the USCC website  
> www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
> http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost
> _______________________________________
> This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC).
> (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights  
> reserved
>
> Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the  
> Foundation, or the Board of Directors.
>
> Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its  
> website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm
>
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From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org  Thu May  7 08:45:28 2009
From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:45:28 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Construction of compost plant starts
Message-ID: <008c01c9cf1a$17333120$45999360$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>

Here is a start at closing the "compost infrastructure gap".

It is instructive to read through the comments.

 

Construction of compost plant starts

Facility will provide jobs for residents of struggling Southbridge
neighborhood

 

Construction of a $20 million food-waste composting site in South Wilmington
-- a project that's intended to help the environment and give local
residents much-needed jobs -- begins today.

 

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200905060345/NEWS02
/905060361

 

 

____________________________________

Cary Oshins

Assistant Director of Programs

US Composting Council

2324 W. Tilghman St.

Allentown, PA 18104

phone: 484-547-1521

fax: 484-274-6779

cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org

USCC Main Office:

1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1

Ronkonkoma, NY 11779

phone: 631-737-4931

fax: 631-737-4939

 

Celebrate International Compost Awareness Week, May 3-9, 2009

For more details go to www.compostingcouncil.org/programs/icaw/

Help support our industry. Become a member today!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org  Thu May  7 11:35:24 2009
From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:35:24 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Construction of compost plant starts
In-Reply-To: <008c01c9cf1a$17333120$45999360$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>
References: <008c01c9cf1a$17333120$45999360$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>
Message-ID: <00c101c9cf31$d291d6d0$77b58470$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>

Here is a working link to the article :)
Cary

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090506/NEWS02/905060361


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Cary Oshins
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:45 AM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: [USCC] Construction of compost plant starts

Here is a start at closing the "compost infrastructure gap".
It is instructive to read through the comments.

Construction of compost plant starts
Facility will provide jobs for residents of struggling Southbridge
neighborhood
 

Construction of a $20 million food-waste composting site in South Wilmington
-- a project that's intended to help the environment and give local
residents much-needed jobs -- begins today.

 ____________________________________

Cary Oshins
Assistant Director of Programs
US Composting Council
2324 W. Tilghman St.
Allentown, PA 18104
phone: 484-547-1521
fax: 484-274-6779
cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org
USCC Main Office:
1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1
Ronkonkoma, NY 11779
phone: 631-737-4931
fax: 631-737-4939

Celebrate International Compost Awareness Week, May 3-9, 2009
For more details go to www.compostingcouncil.org/programs/icaw/
Help support our industry. Become a member today!!!


 


From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV  Thu May  7 13:30:14 2009
From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:30:14 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
In-Reply-To: <8B0449F8-6079-42FD-B7EA-9F2646B02D30@pacificcoast.net>
Message-ID: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B035831C3@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>

Dear USCC colleagues:

Despite the statement below, I know of no mushroom that accumulates much
Pb. And the annual yield of mushrooms, and growth conditions, do not
lend themselves to removal of Pb from contaminated soils. I can provide
extensive literature to back up my earlier statement, as most you would
expect of me. And my review paper in JEQ covered the important details
of why Pb phytoextraction is not real: high cost; no hyperaccumulator;
can't use chelators needed to get much Pb uptake; phosphate needed to
support plant growth inhibits Pb movement to shoots. 

Chaney, R.L., J.S. Angle, C.L. Broadhurst, C.A. Peters, R.V. Tappero and
D.L. Sparks. 2007. Improved understanding of hyperaccumulation yields
commercial phytoextraction and phytomining technologies. J. Environ.
Qual. 36:1429-1443.

Regards,

Rufus Chaney
USDA-ARS-EMBUL
Beltsville, MD


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Heide Hermary
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:19 AM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
plan

I posted this topic to our student forum and received this info from  
one of our students:

mycoremediation...........has many solutions to pulling up heavy  
metals.......including lead  which can render this soil safe for  
growing food.  if you want a list of mushrooms which will do this let  
me know and i will send them..  mushrooms will definitely work for  
this project....with very little expense if resources are available  
from the community locally.   and yes the mushrooms grown will have to  
be disposed of properly........peace and thank you for your outreach.
joshua.                                                          
mycelium running   page 102  has an extensive list  including lists  
for hydrocarbons on different pages.   i would be happy to explain the  
process as well as i am very excited about the subject.
Joshua
eternalovespirit at gmail.com

Cheers,
Heide Hermary
Gaia College
http://www.gaiacollege.ca



On 4-May-09, at 8:43 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:

> Dear Barbara Emeneau:
>
> For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
> plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add  
> EDTA
> to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
> addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
> groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
> using chelating agents such as EDTA.
>
> Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
> really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
> deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
> plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
> the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.
>
> Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature on
> this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
> phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
> plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high  
> annual
> removals.
>
> I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil  
> metals.
> We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using true
> hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
> accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used  
> in
> commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus Chaney
> USDA-Agricultural Research Service
> Beltsville, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of
> apismno at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
> plan
>
> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
> lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
> ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
> Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take
> several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to  
> remediate,
> yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
>
> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
>
> Barbara Emeneau
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
>
>
> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
>
> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was
> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and
> hydrocarbons.
>
> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of
> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
>
> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
>
>
> Paul Hughes
> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity
> c403.383.3420
>
> P    Please consider the environment before printing this email
>
> _______________________________________
> Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade
> Show,
> January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest
> Conference &
> Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics
> Recycling
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From heidehermary at pacificcoast.net  Fri May  8 23:02:21 2009
From: heidehermary at pacificcoast.net (Heide Hermary)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:02:21 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
In-Reply-To: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B035831C3@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>
References: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B035831C3@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>
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Here is the list provided by Joshua,taken from "Mycelium Running" by  
Paul Stamets:

Numbers represent the bioaccumulation factor which indicates how many  
times more concentrated the metal is compared to the background level.
Note: mushrooms listed without accumulation number have no research to  
tell us the bioaccumulation factor, just that they do concentrate lead.
Factors may vary between samples, this is only to be used for further  
comparison or further research.

Agaricus bitorquis  23X
Agaricus campestris  10X
Boletus edulis  X
Chlorophyllum rachodes  X
Lycoperdon perlatum
Morchella spp  70-100X
Morchella atretomentosa  X
Suillus tomentosus  67X

Obviously many variables can affect the mushroom's ability to  
hyperaccumulate toxins, and results could vary substantially between  
sites. I suggest that anyone wanting more information read the book,  
or contact Paul Stamets directly (www.fungiperfecti.com). This is a  
new field of research and practice.

Cheers, Heide

Heide Hermary
Gaia College
http://www.gaiacollege.ca



On 7-May-09, at 11:30 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:

> Dear USCC colleagues:
>
> Despite the statement below, I know of no mushroom that accumulates  
> much
> Pb. And the annual yield of mushrooms, and growth conditions, do not
> lend themselves to removal of Pb from contaminated soils. I can  
> provide
> extensive literature to back up my earlier statement, as most you  
> would
> expect of me. And my review paper in JEQ covered the important details
> of why Pb phytoextraction is not real: high cost; no hyperaccumulator;
> can't use chelators needed to get much Pb uptake; phosphate needed to
> support plant growth inhibits Pb movement to shoots.
>
> Chaney, R.L., J.S. Angle, C.L. Broadhurst, C.A. Peters, R.V. Tappero  
> and
> D.L. Sparks. 2007. Improved understanding of hyperaccumulation yields
> commercial phytoextraction and phytomining technologies. J. Environ.
> Qual. 36:1429-1443.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus Chaney
> USDA-ARS-EMBUL
> Beltsville, MD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Heide  
> Hermary
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:19 AM
> To: Compost Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
> plan
>
> I posted this topic to our student forum and received this info from
> one of our students:
>
> mycoremediation...........has many solutions to pulling up heavy
> metals.......including lead  which can render this soil safe for
> growing food.  if you want a list of mushrooms which will do this let
> me know and i will send them..  mushrooms will definitely work for
> this project....with very little expense if resources are available
> from the community locally.   and yes the mushrooms grown will have to
> be disposed of properly........peace and thank you for your outreach.
> joshua.
> mycelium running   page 102  has an extensive list  including lists
> for hydrocarbons on different pages.   i would be happy to explain the
> process as well as i am very excited about the subject.
> Joshua
> eternalovespirit at gmail.com
>
> Cheers,
> Heide Hermary
> Gaia College
> http://www.gaiacollege.ca
>
>
>
> On 4-May-09, at 8:43 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:
>
>> Dear Barbara Emeneau:
>>
>> For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
>> plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add
>> EDTA
>> to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
>> addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
>> groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
>> using chelating agents such as EDTA.
>>
>> Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
>> really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
>> deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
>> plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
>> the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.
>>
>> Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature  
>> on
>> this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
>> phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
>> plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high
>> annual
>> removals.
>>
>> I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil
>> metals.
>> We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using  
>> true
>> hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
>> accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used
>> in
>> commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rufus Chaney
>> USDA-Agricultural Research Service
>> Beltsville, MD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
>> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of
>> apismno at aol.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
>> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
>> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
>> plan
>>
>> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
>> lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
>> ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
>> Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could  
>> take
>> several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to
>> remediate,
>> yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
>>
>> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
>>
>> Barbara Emeneau
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
>> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
>> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
>> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>>
>>
>>
>> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
>>
>> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>>
>> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was
>> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and
>> hydrocarbons.
>>
>> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of
>> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
>>
>> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
>> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
>>
>>
>> Paul Hughes
>> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
>> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
>> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
>> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity
>> c403.383.3420
>>
>> P    Please consider the environment before printing this email
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From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV  Mon May 11 10:39:07 2009
From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:39:07 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
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Dear Colleagues:

First, imagine trying to grow mushrooms on a contaminated urban soil to remove soil Pb. Mushrooms are not a practical phytoextraction crop.

Second, although some mushrooms may accumulate some Pb, they do not accumulate over 1% Pb which is the level needed to make phytoextraction begin to be practical. 

Please note an older paper which showed the potential for Hg accumulation by mushrooms when grown on media containing much Hg, and some horse manure composts have produced mushrooms with high Hg because of medicinals used in veterinary medicine of horses (this is rare). Although I did not summarize the Pb information, it showed low accumulation of Pb compared to garden vegetables that are our usual concern with Pb contaminated soils.

-------------------------------
Domsch, K.H., K. Grabbe, and J. Fleckenstein.  1976.  Schwermetallgehalte im Kultursubstrat und Erntegut des Champignons, Agaricus bisporus (Lange) Singer, beim Einsatz von M?llkl?rschlammkompost (Heavy metal contents in the culture substrate and in the mushroom, Agaricus bisporus, grown in composts mixed with municipal waste and sewage).  Z. Pflanzerern. Bodenk. 1976:487-501.  
	"The addition of increasing quantities of municipal waste compost to conventional horse manure compost resulted in a proportional increase in the heavy metal content of the mixture.  The increases ranged between 250% (zinc) and 900% (mercury).
	"94-99% of the heavy metals in municipal waste compost are bound in compounds from which they can not be extracted using CaCl2 solution.  The amounts extractable from horse manure compost with CaCl2 solution are from 1.5 (zinc) to 33 (mercury) times higher.
	"The influences of the increasing quantities of heavy metals in municipal waste - horse manure composts are demonstrable in the content of these metals in harvested mushrooms.  This, in turn, corresponds to the availability of the metals.  The relative enrichment is greatest with mercury, and least with cadmium.  The quantities found in mushrooms, with the exception of mercury, fall within the normal range detected in vegetable groups." 
	Compost contained 0, 25, 50, 75, or 100% sludge/refuse compost; the 100% compost medium contained 2.40 mg Hg/kg DW, Zn=1390, Cd=11.1, Pb=625, Cu=197, and As=33 mg/kg DW.  Mushrooms contained 0.13, 0.32, 0.52, and 0.53 mg/kg FW for the 0, 25, 50, and 75% compost media (100% not reported or not grow), and were significantly increased in Hg.  Methyl-Hg not analyzed.  Cu, Cd, and Zn were significantly increased in the mushrooms also, but Zn only slightly.   

--------------
Regards,

Rufus Chaney
USDA-ARS
Beltsville, MD

-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Heide Hermary
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 12:02 AM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan

Here is the list provided by Joshua,taken from "Mycelium Running" by  
Paul Stamets:

Numbers represent the bioaccumulation factor which indicates how many  
times more concentrated the metal is compared to the background level.
Note: mushrooms listed without accumulation number have no research to  
tell us the bioaccumulation factor, just that they do concentrate lead.
Factors may vary between samples, this is only to be used for further  
comparison or further research.

Agaricus bitorquis  23X
Agaricus campestris  10X
Boletus edulis  X
Chlorophyllum rachodes  X
Lycoperdon perlatum
Morchella spp  70-100X
Morchella atretomentosa  X
Suillus tomentosus  67X

Obviously many variables can affect the mushroom's ability to  
hyperaccumulate toxins, and results could vary substantially between  
sites. I suggest that anyone wanting more information read the book,  
or contact Paul Stamets directly (www.fungiperfecti.com). This is a  
new field of research and practice.

Cheers, Heide

Heide Hermary
Gaia College
http://www.gaiacollege.ca

From David.Goldstein at ventura.org  Mon May 11 10:57:00 2009
From: David.Goldstein at ventura.org (David Goldstein)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:57:00 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community gardenplan
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Rufus,

Maybe mushrooms don't "accumulate really high levels" of lead (your post from 5/4/09, 8:43 AM) or "accumulate.. much Pb" (your post from 5/7/09, 11:30 AM), but over time, couldn't their repeated growth effectively reduce levels?

Your citation of the Chaney/Angle/Broadhurst research leads to http://ag.udel.edu/soilchem/Chaney07JEQabs.pdf (abstract) and http://ag.udel.edu/soilchem/Chaney07JEQ.pdf (the actual paper, in PDF), saying Pb uptake worked well only on soils with low levels of phosphate and sulfate, but this was in reference to the use of Indian mustard, not mushrooms (page 1430, middle of the right column).

 http://planet.wwu.edu/archives/2008/articles/winter/shroom-vacuum.php says mushrooms do remove lead, as well as other soil contaminants.  Am I right to read into your posts that you aren't disputing the benefits of phytoextraction, specifically mycoremediation (with mushrooms), for other soil contaminants? For example, do you agree mushrooms remove arsenic? You are just doubting the effectiveness of lead removal using mushrooms, right?  Even the paper you cited states, "Several elements may provide economic phytomining potential with known plant species (Ni, Co, Tl, Au)" (page 1432, middle of left column).

REgards,
D.G.

On 4-May-09, at 8:43 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:

> Dear Barbara Emeneau:
>
> For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
> plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add  
> EDTA
> to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
> addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
> groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
> using chelating agents such as EDTA.
>
> Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
> really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
> deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
> plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
> the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.
>
> Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature on
> this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
> phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
> plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high  
> annual
> removals.
>
> I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil  
> metals.
> We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using true
> hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
> accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used  
> in
> commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus Chaney
> USDA-Agricultural Research Service
> Beltsville, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of
> apismno at aol.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
> plan
>
> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
> lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
> ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
> Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take
> several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to  
> remediate,
> yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
>
> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
>
> Barbara Emeneau
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
>
>
> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
>
> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was
> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and
> hydrocarbons.
>
> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of
> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
>
> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
>
>
> Paul Hughes
> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity 
> c403.383.3420
>
> P    Please consider the environment before printing this email
>
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> Recycling
> Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses,
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800 S. Victoria Ave. #1650
Ventura, CA 93009-1650 
805/658-4312 www.wasteless.org


>>> "Heide Hermary" <heidehermary at pacificcoast.net> 05/08/2009 9:02 PM >>>
Here is the list provided by Joshua,taken from "Mycelium Running" by  
Paul Stamets:

Numbers represent the bioaccumulation factor which indicates how many  
times more concentrated the metal is compared to the background level.
Note: mushrooms listed without accumulation number have no research to  
tell us the bioaccumulation factor, just that they do concentrate lead.
Factors may vary between samples, this is only to be used for further  
comparison or further research.

Agaricus bitorquis  23X
Agaricus campestris  10X
Boletus edulis  X
Chlorophyllum rachodes  X
Lycoperdon perlatum
Morchella spp  70-100X
Morchella atretomentosa  X
Suillus tomentosus  67X

Obviously many variables can affect the mushroom's ability to  
hyperaccumulate toxins, and results could vary substantially between  
sites. I suggest that anyone wanting more information read the book,  
or contact Paul Stamets directly (www.fungiperfecti.com). This is a  
new field of research and practice.

Cheers, Heide

Heide Hermary
Gaia College
http://www.gaiacollege.ca 



On 7-May-09, at 11:30 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:

> Dear USCC colleagues:
>
> Despite the statement below, I know of no mushroom that accumulates  
> much
> Pb. And the annual yield of mushrooms, and growth conditions, do not
> lend themselves to removal of Pb from contaminated soils. I can  
> provide
> extensive literature to back up my earlier statement, as most you  
> would
> expect of me. And my review paper in JEQ covered the important details
> of why Pb phytoextraction is not real: high cost; no hyperaccumulator;
> can't use chelators needed to get much Pb uptake; phosphate needed to
> support plant growth inhibits Pb movement to shoots.
>
> Chaney, R.L., J.S. Angle, C.L. Broadhurst, C.A. Peters, R.V. Tappero  
> and
> D.L. Sparks. 2007. Improved understanding of hyperaccumulation yields
> commercial phytoextraction and phytomining technologies. J. Environ.
> Qual. 36:1429-1443.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus Chaney
> USDA-ARS-EMBUL
> Beltsville, MD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Heide  
> Hermary
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:19 AM
> To: Compost Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
> plan
>
> I posted this topic to our student forum and received this info from
> one of our students:
>
> mycoremediation...........has many solutions to pulling up heavy
> metals.......including lead  which can render this soil safe for
> growing food.  if you want a list of mushrooms which will do this let
> me know and i will send them..  mushrooms will definitely work for
> this project....with very little expense if resources are available
> from the community locally.   and yes the mushrooms grown will have to
> be disposed of properly........peace and thank you for your outreach.
> joshua.
> mycelium running   page 102  has an extensive list  including lists
> for hydrocarbons on different pages.   i would be happy to explain the
> process as well as i am very excited about the subject.
> Joshua
> eternalovespirit at gmail.com 
>
> Cheers,
> Heide Hermary
> Gaia College
> http://www.gaiacollege.ca 
>
>
>
> On 4-May-09, at 8:43 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:
>
>> Dear Barbara Emeneau:
>>
>> For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
>> plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add
>> EDTA
>> to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
>> addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
>> groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
>> using chelating agents such as EDTA.
>>
>> Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
>> really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
>> deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
>> plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
>> the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.
>>
>> Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature  
>> on
>> this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
>> phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
>> plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high
>> annual
>> removals.
>>
>> I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil
>> metals.
>> We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using  
>> true
>> hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
>> accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used
>> in
>> commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rufus Chaney
>> USDA-Agricultural Research Service
>> Beltsville, MD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
>> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of
>> apismno at aol.com 
>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
>> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com 
>> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
>> plan
>>
>> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
>> lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
>> ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
>> Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could  
>> take
>> several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to
>> remediate,
>> yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
>>
>> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
>>
>> Barbara Emeneau
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
>> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
>> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
>> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>>
>>
>>
>> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
>>
>> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>>
>> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was
>> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and
>> hydrocarbons.
>>
>> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of
>> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
>>
>> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
>> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
>>
>>
>> Paul Hughes
>> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
>> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
>> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
>> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity 
>> c403.383.3420
>>
>> P    Please consider the environment before printing this email
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From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV  Mon May 11 13:15:48 2009
From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:15:48 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community gardenplan
In-Reply-To: <4A07E85C.BDE0.0045.0@ventura.org>
Message-ID: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B035D9986@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>

David:

I partially responded to this in an earlier post this morning, but want
to give some specific responses to you note to clarify the questions you
raised.

Phytoextraction can work. But the crop needs to have high annual removal
of the contaminant for the process to be useful. If the crop doesn't
accumulate high enough concentration, or has such a poor yield, the
annual removal can't remove enough to support a technology. As I noted,
1% of Pb in shoots is widely agreed to represent a level that with
normal forage yields would remove enough Pb to clean up a soil over
decades. 10 t/ha of biomass times 10,000 mg Pb/kg (or 10,000 g Pb/t
biomass = 10 kg Pb/t biomass) = 100 kg Pb removed per crop. The soil
that required phytoextraction would contain at least 500 mg Pb/kg, or
1000 kg/ha, so a number of years would be required to remove Pb even if
the crop accumulated 1% Pb in dry matter of harvestable shoots.

The only plants which accumulate 1% As (from contaminated soils) are
some ferns which are a little hard to grow, and do not tolerate winter
temperatures. They have been successfully used in commercial
phytoextraction of As.

The Ni hyperaccumulators we developed for commercial use can accumulate
2-3% Ni in shoots at harvest, with yields of 10-20 t/ha. Because Ni is a
high value metal, growing Ni would be a good business.

I have nothing against mushrooms. But the concentration of metals they
accumulate, coupled with annual harvestable biomass, does not make them
useful in phytoextraction. Imagine trying to purposely grow mushrooms on
field soils, or the soils contaminated by Pb beside a house. It just
doesn't work. How do you economically harvest mushrooms from field
soils? And the mushrooms would have to be destroyed or landfilled if
they did accumulate the toxic element from soil because there is no
market for biomass Pb or As.

Others had patented using EDTA addition to Pb contaminated soils to
dissolve the Pb and force the PbEDTA into the plants. But then didn't
talk about needing $30,000/ha worth of EDTA per crop to make it work.
And the EDTA caused Pb and other metals to leach toward groundwater. So
the method died and the company which held the patents went bankrupt.
And the scientists who got the patent stopped working on
phytoextraction. It was a long sad story. And many people have been
misled by the claims about Pb phytoextraction. 

So, yes, I am saying that mushrooms do not accumulate enough Pb, or As,
or even Hg in their biomass to provide a useful phytoextraction
technology. Any practical technology has to produce enough harvestable
biomass yield with enough of the contaminant in that biomass, to remove
a significant fraction of the total level in the soil.

Regards,

Rufus Chaney
USDA-ARS
Beltsville, MD

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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of David
Goldstein
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community gardenplan

Rufus,

Maybe mushrooms don't "accumulate really high levels" of lead (your post
from 5/4/09, 8:43 AM) or "accumulate.. much Pb" (your post from 5/7/09,
11:30 AM), but over time, couldn't their repeated growth effectively
reduce levels?

Your citation of the Chaney/Angle/Broadhurst research leads to
http://ag.udel.edu/soilchem/Chaney07JEQabs.pdf (abstract) and
http://ag.udel.edu/soilchem/Chaney07JEQ.pdf (the actual paper, in PDF),
saying Pb uptake worked well only on soils with low levels of phosphate
and sulfate, but this was in reference to the use of Indian mustard, not
mushrooms (page 1430, middle of the right column).

 http://planet.wwu.edu/archives/2008/articles/winter/shroom-vacuum.php
says mushrooms do remove lead, as well as other soil contaminants.  Am I
right to read into your posts that you aren't disputing the benefits of
phytoextraction, specifically mycoremediation (with mushrooms), for
other soil contaminants? For example, do you agree mushrooms remove
arsenic? You are just doubting the effectiveness of lead removal using
mushrooms, right?  Even the paper you cited states, "Several elements
may provide economic phytomining potential with known plant species (Ni,
Co, Tl, Au)" (page 1432, middle of left column).

REgards,
D.G.

On 4-May-09, at 8:43 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:

> Dear Barbara Emeneau:
>
> For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
> plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add  
> EDTA
> to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
> addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
> groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
> using chelating agents such as EDTA.
>
> Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
> really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
> deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
> plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
> the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.
>
> Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature on
> this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
> phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
> plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high  
> annual
> removals.
>
> I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil  
> metals.
> We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using true
> hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
> accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used  
> in
> commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus Chaney
> USDA-Agricultural Research Service
> Beltsville, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of
> apismno at aol.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
> plan
>
> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
> lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
> ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
> Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could take
> several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to  
> remediate,
> yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
>
> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
>
> Barbara Emeneau
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
>
>
> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
>
> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>
> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was
> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and
> hydrocarbons.
>
> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of
> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
>
> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
>
>
> Paul Hughes
> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity 
> c403.383.3420
>
> P    Please consider the environment before printing this email
>
> _______________________________________
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> Show,
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> Recycling
> Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses,
> Educational &
> Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment
> Demonstrations at
> the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights &
> Program,
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> Opportunities
> available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the  
> USCC
> at
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>


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800 S. Victoria Ave. #1650
Ventura, CA 93009-1650 
805/658-4312 www.wasteless.org


>>> "Heide Hermary" <heidehermary at pacificcoast.net> 05/08/2009 9:02 PM
>>>
Here is the list provided by Joshua,taken from "Mycelium Running" by  
Paul Stamets:

Numbers represent the bioaccumulation factor which indicates how many  
times more concentrated the metal is compared to the background level.
Note: mushrooms listed without accumulation number have no research to  
tell us the bioaccumulation factor, just that they do concentrate lead.
Factors may vary between samples, this is only to be used for further  
comparison or further research.

Agaricus bitorquis  23X
Agaricus campestris  10X
Boletus edulis  X
Chlorophyllum rachodes  X
Lycoperdon perlatum
Morchella spp  70-100X
Morchella atretomentosa  X
Suillus tomentosus  67X

Obviously many variables can affect the mushroom's ability to  
hyperaccumulate toxins, and results could vary substantially between  
sites. I suggest that anyone wanting more information read the book,  
or contact Paul Stamets directly (www.fungiperfecti.com). This is a  
new field of research and practice.

Cheers, Heide

Heide Hermary
Gaia College
http://www.gaiacollege.ca 



On 7-May-09, at 11:30 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:

> Dear USCC colleagues:
>
> Despite the statement below, I know of no mushroom that accumulates  
> much
> Pb. And the annual yield of mushrooms, and growth conditions, do not
> lend themselves to removal of Pb from contaminated soils. I can  
> provide
> extensive literature to back up my earlier statement, as most you  
> would
> expect of me. And my review paper in JEQ covered the important details
> of why Pb phytoextraction is not real: high cost; no hyperaccumulator;
> can't use chelators needed to get much Pb uptake; phosphate needed to
> support plant growth inhibits Pb movement to shoots.
>
> Chaney, R.L., J.S. Angle, C.L. Broadhurst, C.A. Peters, R.V. Tappero  
> and
> D.L. Sparks. 2007. Improved understanding of hyperaccumulation yields
> commercial phytoextraction and phytomining technologies. J. Environ.
> Qual. 36:1429-1443.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus Chaney
> USDA-ARS-EMBUL
> Beltsville, MD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Heide  
> Hermary
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:19 AM
> To: Compost Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
> plan
>
> I posted this topic to our student forum and received this info from
> one of our students:
>
> mycoremediation...........has many solutions to pulling up heavy
> metals.......including lead  which can render this soil safe for
> growing food.  if you want a list of mushrooms which will do this let
> me know and i will send them..  mushrooms will definitely work for
> this project....with very little expense if resources are available
> from the community locally.   and yes the mushrooms grown will have to
> be disposed of properly........peace and thank you for your outreach.
> joshua.
> mycelium running   page 102  has an extensive list  including lists
> for hydrocarbons on different pages.   i would be happy to explain the
> process as well as i am very excited about the subject.
> Joshua
> eternalovespirit at gmail.com 
>
> Cheers,
> Heide Hermary
> Gaia College
> http://www.gaiacollege.ca 
>
>
>
> On 4-May-09, at 8:43 AM, Chaney, Rufus wrote:
>
>> Dear Barbara Emeneau:
>>
>> For the record, there is no valid phytoremediation method for Pb. No
>> plant takes up enough Pb to remove a little per year unless you add
>> EDTA
>> to the soil. The cost of the EDTA was >$30,000/A per year. And the
>> addition of EDTA caused leaching of Pb and other contaminants to
>> groundwater. No state will permit a phytoremediation project for Pb
>> using chelating agents such as EDTA.
>>
>> Pb phytoremediation was a bad idea. No plant naturally accumulates
>> really high levels of Pb from soils, only from solutions that are
>> deficient in phosphate and sulfate so that the Pb stays soluble. If a
>> plant has enough phosphate to grow a good yield, the Pb is trapped in
>> the roots as a Pb-phosphate compound.
>>
>> Even though there are recent papers in the peer-reviewed literature  
>> on
>> this topic, if you read carefully you will see that they used the no
>> phosphate in nutrient solution trick, or failed to understand that a
>> plant needs to accumulate toward 1% metal or higher to give high
>> annual
>> removals.
>>
>> I am the person who invented the idea of phytoextraction of soil
>> metals.
>> We developed technologies to phytoextract Ni, Co, Cd and Zn using  
>> true
>> hyperaccumulator plants. Our improved cultivars of Alyssum murale
>> accumulate over 3% Ni in their dry shoots at flowering, and are used
>> in
>> commercial phytoextraction and phytoremediation.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rufus Chaney
>> USDA-Agricultural Research Service
>> Beltsville, MD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
>> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of
>> apismno at aol.com 
>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:07 AM
>> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com 
>> Subject: Re: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden
>> plan
>>
>> There are probably phytoremediation choices that can be used for the
>> lead.? The hydrocarbons might be biodegradable and so getting the pH
>> ,N,P,K, etc into the ranges that promote microbial life might work.?
>> Then just sow a crop that can be easily checked for Pb.? It could  
>> take
>> several years, but the lead is the more difficult problem to
>> remediate,
>> yet probably doable for reasonable cost.
>>
>> It could become a learning center until the lead is diminished.
>>
>> Barbara Emeneau
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IMI 360 <focus at netidea.com>
>> To: U.S. Composting Council listserve <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
>> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
>> Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>>
>>
>>
>> Any info out there about organic remediation of contaminated soil?
>>
>> Contaminated park brings end to community garden plan
>>
>> Stanley Avenue Park, in Ottawa's New Edinburgh neighbourhood, was
>> fenced off last week after soil tests showed high levels of lead and
>> hydrocarbons.
>>
>> According to the city, the waiting lists for garden plots in most of
>> Ottawa's neighbourhoods are two years long.
>>
>> full story...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/04/30/
>> ottawa-090430-soil-contamination.html
>>
>>
>> Paul Hughes
>> Chair, Calgary Food Policy Council
>> 2011 New Growing Spaces in Calgary by 2011
>> CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub
>> http://twitter.com/GardenCommunity 
>> c403.383.3420
>>
>> P    Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>
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From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org  Fri May 15 11:27:48 2009
From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:27:48 -0400
Subject: [USCC] home composting ordinances
Message-ID: <00a201c9d57a$15fb7fe0$41f27fa0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>

We received an inquiry from a municipal lawyer about how to exclude and
recognize  home composting from a municipal anti-nuisance regulation. Please
send me any suggestions and examples and I will forward.

Thanks,

Cary

 

____________________________________
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 <http://www.compostingcouncil.org/> US Composting Council

2324 W. Tilghman St.

Allentown, PA 18104

phone: 484-547-1521

fax: 484-274-6779

 <mailto:cary at compostingcouncil.org> cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org
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From Gretchen.Wheat at Wisconsin.gov  Fri May 15 16:31:35 2009
From: Gretchen.Wheat at Wisconsin.gov (Wheat, Gretchen S - DNR)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:31:35 -0500
Subject: [USCC] home composting ordinances
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References: <00a201c9d57a$15fb7fe0$41f27fa0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>
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I would not recommend "excluding" home composting from anti-nuisance regulation. I've seen them infested with rats, a wood chuck, raccoon & opossum - that has all been in an urban environ. Instead, write the ordinance with home composting operational requirements that will help prevent nuisances from occurring. 

For yard materials composting: Max. size & location limitations (shouldn't be too close to residences or other structures that may be combustible). 

For food materials composting: Enclosed composting, secured tight to ground, latching lid, max remaining openings of 1/4 inch. Leaf layer on bottom & over each addition of food waste. No meat. Max. size & location.

Gretchen Wheat, P.E.
Water Resources Engineer, Runoff Management Section
Bureau of Watershed Management, Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
phone:  (608) 264-6273; fax:  (608) 267-7664; e-mail:  gretchen.wheat at wisconsin.gov
mailing address:  Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, Box 7921, Madison, WI  53707-7921  Attention: Gretchen Wheat - WT/3

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Subject: [USCC] home composting ordinances

We received an inquiry from a municipal lawyer about how to exclude and recognize  home composting from a municipal anti-nuisance regulation. Please send me any suggestions and examples and I will forward.

Thanks,

Cary

 

____________________________________
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 <http://www.compostingcouncil.org/> US Composting Council

2324 W. Tilghman St.

Allentown, PA 18104

phone: 484-547-1521

fax: 484-274-6779

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From aballiett at frontiernet.net  Sun May 17 05:29:05 2009
From: aballiett at frontiernet.net (Allan Balliett)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 06:29:05 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Contaminated park brings end to community gardenplan
In-Reply-To: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B035D9986@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>
References: <AA859CCAF8F10A4B97993E2F1445964B035D9986@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV>
Message-ID: <p06230942c635946eb615@[192.168.123.183]>

I can't read this thread on myco remediation without inserting my own 
experiences and thoughts.

I've crossed paths with Paul Stamets for some 20 years now. I've been 
to many of his presentations.

In my work, I frequently run across permaculture-style groups that 
Stamets has talked into purchasing mycelium from him to 'prove' that 
mushroom inoculated mulch drifts will remediate toxic surface waters 
(for example, run off from a pasture to a creek)

What has always struck me is that across a 20 year period, idealistic 
people are still being asked to spend their money to "prove" 
something that would normally have been proven in a 3 year research 
cycle.

(It must be my faulty memory, but I'm pretty sure that he also 
advocates harvesting these remediation shrooms as an economic 
crop.(Maybe this is the blessing of the poor uptake?))

The flaw in his advocacy, of course, is he's also the man who sells 
the spore and mycelium for these projects.  In spite of this, his 
statements from his event presentations and in his books get a 
tremendous amount of acceptance among youth.

I appreciate your work,  thoughts and experiences, Dr Chaney.

-Allan Balliett
Shepherdstown, WV

From Michele.Young at sanjoseca.gov  Mon May 18 13:33:15 2009
From: Michele.Young at sanjoseca.gov (Young, Michele)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:33:15 -0700
Subject: [USCC] home composting ordinances
In-Reply-To: <00a201c9d57a$15fb7fe0$41f27fa0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>
References: <00a201c9d57a$15fb7fe0$41f27fa0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>
Message-ID: <4B7DBB32B8E0254081660CC49C2B7AFA021635BF@ex08.sjcity.net>

I am not sure I am exactly clear on the question, but it sounds like
this lawyer wants home composting to be recognized as an exclusion from
the nuisance regulations.  If this is not the case, please disregard all
I am about to say...

San Jose actually feels that it is important to use the municipal code
as a tool to encourage residents to compost correctly.  In our classes,
we stress that there is a nuisance code and that there are ways to
compost that should cause no problems to your neighbors.  If problems do
arise that could be considered a nuisance, we encourage residents to
contact the master composters to get support in resolving those issues.

I have answered several nuisance calls about composting that were
absolutely warranted and the activity needed to cease due to neighbor
proximity.  In other cases, it was more of a perception issue, but a
nuisance to the neighbors none the less (3ft. high open compost piles in
the front yard park strip for example). We feel that the code is a
valuable tool in helping to manage home composting activities so they
can continue to be acceptable in these close urban areas. 

I am including our code language here:  Cheers Michele Young - City of
San Jose

9.10.840  Composting.
Waste organic matter may be composted provided that the composting:
A.   Occurs at a solid waste facility operating pursuant to a permit
issued pursuant to Division 30 of the California Public Resources Code
or occurs on the premises where the waste organic matter was generated;
B.   Is conducted in accordance with accepted composting practices;
C.   Is conducted in accordance with applicable federal, state and local
laws and regulations;
D.   Does not generate offensive odors or provide a source of food or
harborage for vermin; and
E.   Does not create a public or private nuisance.
(Ord. 24315.)


 

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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Cary Oshins
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 9:28 AM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: [USCC] home composting ordinances

We received an inquiry from a municipal lawyer about how to exclude and
recognize  home composting from a municipal anti-nuisance regulation.
Please
send me any suggestions and examples and I will forward.

Thanks,

Cary

 

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From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org  Tue May 19 08:48:18 2009
From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:48:18 -0400
Subject: [USCC] home composting ordinances
In-Reply-To: <4B7DBB32B8E0254081660CC49C2B7AFA021635BF@ex08.sjcity.net>
References: <00a201c9d57a$15fb7fe0$41f27fa0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>
	<4B7DBB32B8E0254081660CC49C2B7AFA021635BF@ex08.sjcity.net>
Message-ID: <01cc01c9d888$77b2d3d0$67187b70$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>

Thanks Michele,
I don't think he wants to exclude composting, but he does not want to
preclude it either.
Is "nuisance" defined elsewhere?
Cary

____________________________________
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US Composting Council


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Young, Michele
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:33 PM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] home composting ordinances

I am not sure I am exactly clear on the question, but it sounds like
this lawyer wants home composting to be recognized as an exclusion from
the nuisance regulations.  If this is not the case, please disregard all
I am about to say...

San Jose actually feels that it is important to use the municipal code
as a tool to encourage residents to compost correctly.  In our classes,
we stress that there is a nuisance code and that there are ways to
compost that should cause no problems to your neighbors.  If problems do
arise that could be considered a nuisance, we encourage residents to
contact the master composters to get support in resolving those issues.

I have answered several nuisance calls about composting that were
absolutely warranted and the activity needed to cease due to neighbor
proximity.  In other cases, it was more of a perception issue, but a
nuisance to the neighbors none the less (3ft. high open compost piles in
the front yard park strip for example). We feel that the code is a
valuable tool in helping to manage home composting activities so they
can continue to be acceptable in these close urban areas. 

I am including our code language here:  Cheers Michele Young - City of
San Jose

9.10.840  Composting.
Waste organic matter may be composted provided that the composting:
A.   Occurs at a solid waste facility operating pursuant to a permit
issued pursuant to Division 30 of the California Public Resources Code
or occurs on the premises where the waste organic matter was generated;
B.   Is conducted in accordance with accepted composting practices;
C.   Is conducted in accordance with applicable federal, state and local
laws and regulations;
D.   Does not generate offensive odors or provide a source of food or
harborage for vermin; and
E.   Does not create a public or private nuisance.
(Ord. 24315.)


 

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From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Cary Oshins
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 9:28 AM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: [USCC] home composting ordinances

We received an inquiry from a municipal lawyer about how to exclude and
recognize  home composting from a municipal anti-nuisance regulation.
Please
send me any suggestions and examples and I will forward.

Thanks,

Cary

 

____________________________________
Cary Oshins
Assistant Director of Programs
www.compostingcouncil.org 
2324 W. Tilghman St.
Allentown, PA 18104
phone: 484-547-1521
cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org 
USCC Main Office:
1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1
Ronkonkoma, NY 11779
phone: 631-737-4931
fax: 631-737-4939

 

 


From rdavis at organix.us  Thu May 21 10:33:38 2009
From: rdavis at organix.us (Russ Davis)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:33:38 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Swine facility looking for composting assistance
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1242752401.41712.compost@mailman.cloudnet.com>
References: <mailman.0.1242752401.41712.compost@mailman.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABgLzHHjFgFKoG6gMq5uHe3CgAAAEAAAAL+PMI1nINlDhP0L3mZ20mUBAAAAAA==@organix.us>

Hello all;

I received this inquiry from Bryan and Benita Drury. They are looking for
composting help and they are simply too far away for us to provide the level
of service they would need. On top of that, we have very little experience
with hog manure.

I asked them is I could post this information and they said 'yes'.  So here
you go - 

----------------------------------------------

Email:             bdrury3 at hotmail.com
Phone:             270-929-4182
Comments:          Hello, I'm representing O'Bryan Grain Farms in
Owensboro, Ky. We are a large scale farrow-to-finish hog operation. We have
constructed 3 large finishing barns that are a new design in the industry.
These barns will produce a material that we feel has great potential for
being composted and value-added in the organic recycling industry. I saw and
read about your operations at the large dairy farm. I'm looking for help in
developing this enterprise.   Thanks, Bryan Drury

----------------------------------------------
Thanks!

Russell V. Davis
President
ORGANIX, INC.
209 S. 2nd Avenue, Suite 100
Walla Walla, WA 99362
Phone:  509.527.0526
Fax:    509.527.0528
Web:    www.organix.us





From cscoker at verizon.net  Fri May 22 16:46:05 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:46:05 -0400
Subject: [USCC] ASP facilities for yard waste only?
Message-ID: <9FA01585646B47FBAD05AD4490C18135@LAPTOP>

Colleagues:

 

Does anyone know of a viable, working composting facility using Aerated
Static Pile (ASP) for ONLY yard waste? I know of numerous ASP facilities
handling yard waste in conjunction with food waste, biosolids, manures, the
organic fraction of MSW, biowaste (in Europe), etc., but cannot find a
viable example of one handling nothing but yard wastes.  In my experience,
I've not seen one solely for yard waste alone, have you?.

 

This inquiry is for a proposed 50,000+ tpy yard waste facility in MD who has
become convinced that ASP is the way to go with yard waste (primarily for
odor control and processing footprint reasons).  I'd like to find at least
one similar facility somewhere.

 

Thanks, and have a great Memorial Day weekend!

 

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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From jac at magicsoil.com  Mon May 25 08:44:26 2009
From: jac at magicsoil.com (John A. Crockett)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:44:26 -0400
Subject: [USCC] composting microbe activity
Message-ID: <200905251345.n4PDj1K6000746@omr11.networksolutionsemail.com>

Though it may be a national holiday, "Memorial Day", here in the United
States, our microbial master composters treat it as every other day, and are
continuing to work 24/7 for us, provided we provide them with good working
conditions, including enough fresh air / oxygen.

After turning the compost in two of our compost research silos, I took a
couple of samples and looked at them under our microscope. Every time I do
that, I find composting incredibly humbling.

And this morning I found what I think was fungal hyphae moving more than I
have ever observed in the past, some hyphae that was about 100?m long, and
one end moving over 50?m, another that was moving over 100?m.

This sample came from compost that is on negative pressure forced aeration,
rate of air flow: 3.3X the volume of the compost, in fresh air, every hour,
and the CO2 in the off-gas is 1%.  By our standards, this is very little
oxygen consumption.  In early stage food compost, we often need over 23X of
forced aeration, to hold the CO2 down between 1 - 2%.

If some of you are unfamiliar with "?m", and it wasn't so many years ago
that I was unfamiliar with it, "?" is the Greek letter Mu, and in math and
science stands for "micro", so a micron is A unit of length equal to one
millionth (1.0E-6) of a meter, and "m" stands for "meter".  Am I right on
that?  I appreciate your feedback.  I certainly don't want to be giving out
bad information. I have so much to learn.  To type the Greek letter Mu, hold
the ALT key down while striking 230 on the numeric keypad on the right side
of your keyboard.  And for those of you who want the degree symbol, that is
ALT+248.

Working Together to Create a Sustainable Environment,
John A. Crockett, a.k.a. Dr. Mike Robe
Mother Nature's Farms
(845) 225-7763
http://www.magicsoil.com/
jac at magicsoil.com
? 


From Roberta.Wirth at state.mn.us  Tue May 26 10:27:55 2009
From: Roberta.Wirth at state.mn.us (Wirth, Roberta)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:27:55 -0500
Subject: [USCC] ASP facilities for yard waste only?
In-Reply-To: <9FA01585646B47FBAD05AD4490C18135@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <1979A435CF675641B3187CCEE165FFCD04A02DC4@s-sp22.pca.state.mn.us>

We did have an aerated static pile yard waste site in Minnesota(in the
metro) in the early 90's.  The operator decided to create a wood chip
base and operate with just very large static piles.  There was no odor
problem and the material decomposed nicely w/o the forced aeration.

-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:46 PM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] ASP facilities for yard waste only?


Colleagues:

 

Does anyone know of a viable, working composting facility using Aerated
Static Pile (ASP) for ONLY yard waste? I know of numerous ASP facilities
handling yard waste in conjunction with food waste, biosolids, manures,
the organic fraction of MSW, biowaste (in Europe), etc., but cannot find
a viable example of one handling nothing but yard wastes.  In my
experience, I've not seen one solely for yard waste alone, have you?.

 

This inquiry is for a proposed 50,000+ tpy yard waste facility in MD who
has become convinced that ASP is the way to go with yard waste
(primarily for odor control and processing footprint reasons).  I'd like
to find at least one similar facility somewhere.

 

Thanks, and have a great Memorial Day weekend!

 

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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From James.Short at state.de.us  Tue May 26 11:02:48 2009
From: James.Short at state.de.us (Short James (DNREC))
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:02:48 -0400
Subject: [USCC] ASP facilities for yard waste only?
In-Reply-To: <9FA01585646B47FBAD05AD4490C18135@LAPTOP>
References: <9FA01585646B47FBAD05AD4490C18135@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <34AA70D73AC337439C37D0B0852623FD03DD5C90F8@DTIE2K7CLS04.state.de.us>

Craig,

DSWA is the using the Gore system with ground yard waste only.  Arguably a foot of finished compost as the cover should work similarly in an ASP made up of yard waste.  Contact Jim Vescovi at DSWA at jv at dswa.com or 302-875-3448. 

Hope this helps.

Jim.

James D. Short
Environmental Scientist IV
Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch
Phone: 302-739-9403
Fax: 302-739-5060
Email : james.short at state.de.us

Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus

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From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:46 PM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] ASP facilities for yard waste only?

Colleagues:

 

Does anyone know of a viable, working composting facility using Aerated
Static Pile (ASP) for ONLY yard waste? I know of numerous ASP facilities
handling yard waste in conjunction with food waste, biosolids, manures, the
organic fraction of MSW, biowaste (in Europe), etc., but cannot find a
viable example of one handling nothing but yard wastes.  In my experience,
I've not seen one solely for yard waste alone, have you?.

 

This inquiry is for a proposed 50,000+ tpy yard waste facility in MD who has
become convinced that ASP is the way to go with yard waste (primarily for
odor control and processing footprint reasons).  I'd like to find at least
one similar facility somewhere.

 

Thanks, and have a great Memorial Day weekend!

 

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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From alexassoc at earthlink.net  Tue May 26 11:55:46 2009
From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (alexassoc@earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:55:46 -0400
Subject: [USCC] ASP facilities for yard waste only?
In-Reply-To: <9FA01585646B47FBAD05AD4490C18135@LAPTOP>
References: <9FA01585646B47FBAD05AD4490C18135@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <003901c9de22$d0b53280$721f9780$@net>

Craig,
The Pierce County Recycling, Composting & Disposal facility in Puyallup, WA
is using ASP on yard waste alone.
Ron



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From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:46 PM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] ASP facilities for yard waste only?

Colleagues:

 

Does anyone know of a viable, working composting facility using Aerated
Static Pile (ASP) for ONLY yard waste? I know of numerous ASP facilities
handling yard waste in conjunction with food waste, biosolids, manures, the
organic fraction of MSW, biowaste (in Europe), etc., but cannot find a
viable example of one handling nothing but yard wastes.  In my experience,
I've not seen one solely for yard waste alone, have you?.

 

This inquiry is for a proposed 50,000+ tpy yard waste facility in MD who has
become convinced that ASP is the way to go with yard waste (primarily for
odor control and processing footprint reasons).  I'd like to find at least
one similar facility somewhere.

 

Thanks, and have a great Memorial Day weekend!

 

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest
Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, &
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Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live"
Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility.
Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information
and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website
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From JackH at rexius.com  Tue May 26 16:37:11 2009
From: JackH at rexius.com (Jack Hoeck)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:37:11 -0700
Subject: [USCC] ASP facilities for yard waste only?
Message-ID: <82282F9A43724E478EDB794CD38BB0960B83D3@rexius-exch.corp.rexius.com>

Craig,
We operate a yard waste only ASP in Eugene. Give me a call and I can
give you details.

Jack

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We did have an aerated static pile yard waste site in Minnesota(in the
metro) in the early 90's.  The operator decided to create a wood chip
base and operate with just very large static piles.  There was no odor
problem and the material decomposed nicely w/o the forced aeration.

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Subject: [USCC] ASP facilities for yard waste only?


Colleagues:

 

Does anyone know of a viable, working composting facility using Aerated
Static Pile (ASP) for ONLY yard waste? I know of numerous ASP facilities
handling yard waste in conjunction with food waste, biosolids, manures,
the organic fraction of MSW, biowaste (in Europe), etc., but cannot find
a viable example of one handling nothing but yard wastes.  In my
experience, I've not seen one solely for yard waste alone, have you?.

 

This inquiry is for a proposed 50,000+ tpy yard waste facility in MD who
has become convinced that ASP is the way to go with yard waste
(primarily for odor control and processing footprint reasons).  I'd like
to find at least one similar facility somewhere.

 

Thanks, and have a great Memorial Day weekend!

 

Craig

 

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From: BfleuryWeCare at aol.com (BfleuryWeCare@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:53:39 EDT
Subject: [USCC] Yardwaste Compost Weights
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I need to find an average weight for yardwaste compost in the  Northeast.  
>From our experience, we would use a number of ~1,400 lbs/cy,  taking into 
account that the material will weigh more in the Spring and Winter  and less 
in Summer.  
 
Would  everyone agree with this number?  Remember, it's an average for the 
entire  year.
 
Thank you,

Brian C. Fleury

Senior Project  Manager

WeCare Organics, LLC
PO Box  785
Hillburn, NY 10931
(O) 845 / 753 / 2314
(F) 845 / 753 / 2349
(C)  315 / 374 / 5098
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From hirschsys at aol.com  Thu May 28 16:32:20 2009
From: hirschsys at aol.com (Myron Hirschman)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:32:20 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Yardwaste Compost Weights
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Approx 1100 lbs per cu yd at 45 to 50% moisture has been the average in
Iowa, Texas and Connecticut in my programs.
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I need to find an average weight for yardwaste compost in the  Northeast.  
>From our experience, we would use a number of ~1,400 lbs/cy,  taking into 
account that the material will weigh more in the Spring and Winter  and less

in Summer.  
 
Would  everyone agree with this number?  Remember, it's an average for the 
entire  year.
 
Thank you,

Brian C. Fleury

Senior Project  Manager

WeCare Organics, LLC
PO Box  785
Hillburn, NY 10931
(O) 845 / 753 / 2314
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From mikepnevin at yahoo.ca  Thu May 28 21:10:27 2009
From: mikepnevin at yahoo.ca (Michael Nevin)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:10:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [USCC] Yardwaste Compost Weights
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Hi - crunching your numbers, 1,400 lbs per cu yard or per 27 cu ft would come to appx 52 lbs per cu ft. The density of water is appx 62 lbs per cu ft. But water would have no air spaces or air ways so important to composting. So water is very compact unlike yard waste.?When I fill an 18 cu ft cell,?I get at most 500 to 600 lbs of a mixture of food scraps and shavings. One could get more weight by a very fine chopping to increase the packing. ?But my guess is that your estimate is a bit high.
Mike Nevin Compost Facilitator at FoodShare, Toronto, Ontario
ph 416-363-6441 ext 231 compost at foodshare.net
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I need to find an average weight for yardwaste compost in the? Northeast.? 
>From our experience, we would use a number of ~1,400 lbs/cy,? taking into 
account that the material will weigh more in the Spring and Winter? and less 
in Summer.? 

Would? everyone agree with this number?? Remember, it's an average for the 
entire? year.

Thank you,

Brian C. Fleury

Senior Project? Manager

WeCare Organics, LLC
PO Box? 785
Hillburn, NY 10931
(O) 845 / 753 / 2314
(F) 845 / 753 / 2349
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From LewisDV at mda.state.md.us  Fri May 29 09:58:59 2009
From: LewisDV at mda.state.md.us (Donald Lewis)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:58:59 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Yardwaste Compost Weights
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Here in MD we have found that there is quite a lot of variability. Any of the numbers proposed are reasonable, depending on the material. As mentioned, fine-screened material is denser than coarse. Moisture plays a significant role as does feedstock. an unexpected contributor to the density is the type of surface on which the composting occurs, and the amount of that surface scraped up during the operations. Hope this helps.
 
Don Lewis
Compost Program Coordinator
State Chemist Section
Maryland Department of Agriculture
50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 21401

>>> Michael Nevin <mikepnevin at yahoo.ca> 5/28/2009 10:10 PM >>>
Hi - crunching your numbers, 1,400 lbs per cu yard or per 27 cu ft would come to appx 52 lbs per cu ft. The density of water is appx 62 lbs per cu ft. But water would have no air spaces or air ways so important to composting. So water is very compact unlike yard waste. When I fill an 18 cu ft cell, I get at most 500 to 600 lbs of a mixture of food scraps and shavings. One could get more weight by a very fine chopping to increase the packing.  But my guess is that your estimate is a bit high.
Mike Nevin Compost Facilitator at FoodShare, Toronto, Ontario
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Subject: [USCC] Yardwaste Compost Weights
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com 
Received: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 2:53 PM


I need to find an average weight for yardwaste compost in the  Northeast.  
>From our experience, we would use a number of ~1,400 lbs/cy,  taking into 
account that the material will weigh more in the Spring and Winter  and less 
in Summer.  

Would  everyone agree with this number?  Remember, it's an average for the 
entire  year.

Thank you,

Brian C. Fleury

Senior Project  Manager

WeCare Organics, LLC
PO Box  785
Hillburn, NY 10931
(O) 845 / 753 / 2314
(F) 845 / 753 / 2349
(C)  315 / 374 / 5098
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From therlihy at rochester.rr.com  Sat May 30 09:31:21 2009
From: therlihy at rochester.rr.com (Tom Herlihy)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:31:21 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Yardwaste Compost Weights
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Brian

This is a little high.
Depending on the amounts of fines and moisture content use 900 - 1,200 
lbs/cu-yd

we use 1,000 for ease (one ton = 2 cu-yards)

Say hi to Jeff

Tom

Thomas Herlihy
President, RT Solutions, LLC
Producers of Worm Power Products
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Geneseo, NY  14454

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Subject: [USCC] Yardwaste Compost Weights


>I need to find an average weight for yardwaste compost in the  Northeast.
>>From our experience, we would use a number of ~1,400 lbs/cy,  taking into
> account that the material will weigh more in the Spring and Winter  and 
> less
> in Summer.
>
> Would  everyone agree with this number?  Remember, it's an average for the
> entire  year.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian C. Fleury
>
> Senior Project  Manager
>
> WeCare Organics, LLC
> PO Box  785
> Hillburn, NY 10931
> (O) 845 / 753 / 2314
> (F) 845 / 753 / 2349
> (C)  315 / 374 / 5098
> bfleurywecare at aol.com
> _www.wecareorganics.com_ (http://www.wecareorganics.com/)
> **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only
> Savings.
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> F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934)
>
>