From alexassoc at earthlink.net Mon Jun 1 04:03:14 2009 From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (alexassoc@earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 05:03:14 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Buffer Distances? Message-ID: <006401c9e297$cbd0d610$63728230$@net> Hello Compost World, Does anyone out there know if a study has been done determining the 'typical' buffer distance between composting facilities and their neighbors (odor receptors)? Thanks, Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, NC 27502 USA 919-367-8350 919-367-8351 fax alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net From hirschsys at aol.com Mon Jun 1 12:48:14 2009 From: hirschsys at aol.com (Myron Hirschman) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:48:14 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Buffer Distances? In-Reply-To: <006401c9e297$cbd0d610$63728230$@net> References: <006401c9e297$cbd0d610$63728230$@net> Message-ID: <000001c9e2e1$23d09140$6b71b3c0$@com> Ron, Iowa rules require 500 feet from a residence. Hope this helps. Myron H -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of alexassoc at earthlink.net Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:03 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [USCC] Buffer Distances? Hello Compost World, Does anyone out there know if a study has been done determining the 'typical' buffer distance between composting facilities and their neighbors (odor receptors)? Thanks, Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, NC 27502 USA 919-367-8350 919-367-8351 fax alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ _ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From mpm at enviroresource.net Mon Jun 1 16:47:58 2009 From: mpm at enviroresource.net (Mike Manna) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:47:58 +0000 Subject: [USCC] Buffer Distances? In-Reply-To: <006401c9e297$cbd0d610$63728230$@net> References: <006401c9e297$cbd0d610$63728230$@net> Message-ID: Hi Ron, New Jersey had requested from me at the time, 2,500 feet from the nearest sensitive receptor. But if its a leaf compost facility (zero food waste) I beleive the reg's read 50 foot buffers. Best Regards Mike Manna Environmental Resources Go Green, Save Green 609-744-2819 www.solidwasteaudits.com P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to >From January 24 to 27, 2010, the US Composting Council will host the 18th Annual Conference and Exhibition in Orlando, Florida. During this time, the Wyndham Resort will attract the largest group of composting and organics recycling professionals in the country to participate in the most comprehensive program of workshops, training courses, educational and technical sessions, and "live" equipment demonstrations. Join us for THE LARGEST CONFERENCE & EXHIBITION IN NORTH AMERICA FOR THE COMPOSTING, WOOD WASTE & ORGANICS RECYCLING INDUSTRY The ONLY Conference & Exhibition run By and For Composting and Organics Recycling Professionals. For more information, visit www.compostingcouncil.org > From: alexassoc at earthlink.net > To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 05:03:14 -0400 > Subject: [USCC] Buffer Distances? > > Hello Compost World, > > Does anyone out there know if a study has been done determining the > 'typical' buffer distance between composting facilities and their neighbors > (odor receptors)? > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > > > Ron Alexander > R. Alexander Associates, Inc. > 1212 Eastham Drive > Apex, NC 27502 > USA > 919-367-8350 > 919-367-8351 fax > alexassoc at earthlink.net > www.alexassoc.net > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From conor.mcgovern at rpsgroup.com Tue Jun 2 11:06:22 2009 From: conor.mcgovern at rpsgroup.com (Conor McGovern) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:06:22 +0100 Subject: [USCC] Buffer Distances? Message-ID: Hi Ron, Buffer distance guidance in Ireland have been given using bioaerosols rather than odour (odour usually "should not cause nuisance"). The Irish EPA uses draft guidance of 250M based on bioaerosol mitigation using UK guidance as follows; "For Composting Operations, site design should provide mitigation measures to prevent the release of Bioaerosols. Based on Environment Agency (England and Wales) research (2001) a distance of 250m between residential areas or other sensitive receptors and composting operations should be provided to ensure that the airborne concentration of Bioaerosols at sensitive receptors is reduced to ambient background levels, thereby reducing the risk of health effects from Bioaerosols." BAT GUIDANCE NOTES FOR THE WASTE SECTOR: WASTE TREATMENT ACTIVITIES DRAFT NOVEMBER 2003 The UK reference document (attached to this email) indicates that the 250M distance is site- and technology-dependant so better technology leads to better mitigation so distances can be reduced - see interpretation below. "The UK Environment Agency's position is that there will be a presumption against permitting [and to object to any planning application] of any new composting process [or any modification to an existing process] where the boundary of the facility is within 250 metres of a workplace or the boundary of a dwelling, unless the application is accompanied by a site-specific risk assessment, based on clear, independent scientific evidence which shows that the bioaerosol levels are and can be maintained at appropriate levels at the dwelling or workplace. The Agency will continue to work with others to identify appropriate controls measures that may allow operations to take place within 250 metres of the boundary or a dwelling/workplace. Most published studies indicate that bioaerosols are reduced to background within the 250 m distance prescribed by the Environment Agency for risk assessment purposes. (Some experimental studies and dispersion modelling exercises suggest that bioaerosols sometimes may exceed concentrations chosen as background levels at distances greater than 250 m). There is no published evidence that exposure to bioaerosols disseminated from compost facilities cause respiratory ill health in residents or workers at nearby locations, or that the greater than background bioaerosol levels which may occur under anticipated conditions represent a significant excess risk." I can't post PDFs to this list serve but can email on request. The reference documents are; * BAT GUIDANCE NOTES FOR THE WASTE SECTOR: WASTE TREATMENT ACTIVITIES DRAFT NOVEMBER 2003 Irish EPA * SIM 03/2003/58 Bioaerosols in Composting Sites - Previously SIM 06/2003/09 Health and Safety Executive Sector Information Minute Manufacturing SIM 03/2003/58 (formerly 06/2003/09) Cancellation Date 10/11/2007 Open Government Status Fully Open Version No & Date 1: 10/11/2003 Author Unit/Section Manufacturing Sector Target Audience: All FOD Inspectors with Waste Management responsibilities BIOAEROSOLS IN COMPOSTING SITES * AGENCY POSITION ON COMPOSTING AND HEALTH EFFECTS This paper sets out the Agency's position on the health effects from composting any waste type. The position will be effective from 13th August 2001 released both internal and external to the Agency in the Agency's Technical Guidance on Composting Facilities, in order to clarify key issues for consistency and transparency. (may have been updated since) Best regards Conor McGovern, Organics manager, Market Development Programme for waste resources, West Pier Business Campus, D?n Laoghaire, Co Dublin, Ireland. ______________________________ Switch (01) 488 2900 Direct (01) 523 9231 Fax (01) 283 5676 MDP Lo-call 1890 RECYCLE MDP Lo-call 1890 732 9253 E conor.mcgovern at rpsgroup.com W www.mdg.ie ______________________________ Please consider the environment before printing this email. The Market Development Programme is a DoEHLG initiative. -----Original Message----- From: alexassoc at earthlink.net [mailto:alexassoc at earthlink.net] Sent: 01 June 2009 10:03 To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [USCC] Buffer Distances? Hello Compost World, Does anyone out there know if a study has been done determining the 'typical' buffer distance between composting facilities and their neighbors (odor receptors)? Thanks, Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, NC 27502 USA 919-367-8350 919-367-8351 fax alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net RPS Group Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary of RPS Group Plc. RPS Group Ltd is the parent company in the Republic of Ireland for all Irish subsidiary companies, namely: RPS Consulting Engineers Ltd, RPS Planning & Environment Ltd, RPS Engineering Services Ltd and RPS Business and Environmental Communications Ltd. The Registered Office of each company is: Block C, Cookstown Court, Tallaght, Dublin 24, Ireland, and each company is registered at the Irish Companies Registration Office in Dublin. Details of the companies registered numbers are as follows: RPS Group Limited - Registration Number: 91911 RPS Consulting Engineers Limited - Registration Number: 161581 RPS Engineering Services Limited - Registration Number: 99795 RPS Planning & Environment Limited - Registration Number: 160191 RPS Mary Murphy Associates Limited - Registration Number: 260533 From andrew.kessler at turningearthllc.com Tue Jun 2 11:53:48 2009 From: andrew.kessler at turningearthllc.com (Andrew Kessler) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:53:48 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Regulating biogenic CO2 References: Message-ID: We are tying to determine the likelihood that biogenic CO2 is eventually regulated in the U.S. and/ or abroad. Does anyone have a point of view they would like to share or can point to any resources that could help us evaluate this question? Based on this article (http://www.globalclimatelaw.com/2009/02/articles/regulation-by-litigation/new-epa-administrator-partially-grants-sierra-club-petition-toward-agency-regulation-of-co2-in-psd-permits/index.html ), the EPA has opened a public comment period for CO2 regulation in PSD permits. Is biogenic CO2 regulation on the horizon? Andrew Kessler Managing Director Turning Earth, LLC From tonybreton at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 13:44:46 2009 From: tonybreton at gmail.com (Tony Breton) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:44:46 +0100 Subject: [USCC] Buffer Distances? In-Reply-To: <006401c9e297$cbd0d610$63728230$@net> References: <006401c9e297$cbd0d610$63728230$@net> Message-ID: <786565665F9F4180A4AE476747714E87@tbclaptop> Hi Ron Defra have published some work on limiting odour which includes a number of references to distances in different areas etc http://www.organics-recycling.org.uk/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_do wnload&gid=293&Itemid=86 Cheers Tony -----Original Message----- From: alexassoc at earthlink.net [mailto:alexassoc at earthlink.net] Sent: 01 June 2009 10:03 To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [USCC] Buffer Distances? Hello Compost World, Does anyone out there know if a study has been done determining the 'typical' buffer distance between composting facilities and their neighbors (odor receptors)? Thanks, Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, NC 27502 USA 919-367-8350 919-367-8351 fax alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net From tnthomas at terre-source.com Wed Jun 3 10:37:56 2009 From: tnthomas at terre-source.com (Tamara Thomas) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:37:56 -0700 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost Message-ID: Greetings Composters, I am looking for information about pelletizing compost and/or biosolids to reach additional markets, for ease of spreading, and for storage. Does anyone know who makes equipment for such a purpose and any information about how well it works? I'd also love to find out if anyone you know of is doing that. Thank you! Tamara Thomas, P.E. Terre-SourceLLC Helping Compost Happen! 360-336-3536 Office 360-336-3530 FAX 425-844-6068 Field From ConSulInc at aol.com Wed Jun 3 10:59:04 2009 From: ConSulInc at aol.com (ConSulInc@aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:59:04 EDT Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost Message-ID: A pellet mill, used to create pellets for animal feed (such as affalfa pellets), works well and can be obtained used. They are simple, easy to clean and maintain. Depending on the dryness and degradability of the material you may need to use a binder. Years ago when pelletizing an organically enhanced fertilizer (50% composted poultry litter and 50% commercial fertilizer fines) we used a slight amount of molasses in the blend, which proved quite successful. Jerry d'Aquin Con-Sul, Inc. In a message dated 6/3/2009 9:48:17 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, tnthomas at terre-source.com writes: Greetings Composters, I am looking for information about pelletizing compost and/or biosolids to reach additional markets, for ease of spreading, and for storage. Does anyone know who makes equipment for such a purpose and any information about how well it works? I'd also love to find out if anyone you know of is doing that. Thank you! Tamara Thomas, P.E. Terre-SourceLLC Helping Compost Happen! 360-336-3536 Office 360-336-3530 FAX 425-844-6068 Field _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ _ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) From kpowell at kdheks.gov Wed Jun 3 11:34:22 2009 From: kpowell at kdheks.gov (Ken Powell) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:34:22 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EBB566B08AAE84F979D5E093B69705004DC9E15D2@HEWXCCLU.kdhe.state.ks.us> In Kansas we have had a couple of attempts at pelletizing compost. The Kansas Livestock Association did a trial about 3 or 4 years ago. Since it was to be a private undertaking they did not share any information on the results of the composting operation. R-W Milling Company in Wamego, Kansas has been working off and on to make pelletizing of yard waste compost work and have has some success with their alfalfa pelletizing equipment. The problems they described were getting a consistent product, no contamination, too much moisture, trash and other materials, and getting a large enough quantity. You might want to contact them at: Chris or Norman Hupe Old Hwy. 24, Box 263 Wamego, KS 66547 785-456-9344 Hopefully they would be willing to share their experiences to help with your project. Ken Powell Environmental Scientist Kansas Department of Health & Environment 1000 SW Jackson, Suite 320 Topeka, KS? 66618 Phone? 785-296-1121? Fax? 785-296-1592 email? kpowell at kdheks.gov web? www.kdheks.gov/waste ? Please note my new e-mail address is kpowell at kdheks.gov -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Tamara Thomas Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:38 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost Greetings Composters, I am looking for information about pelletizing compost and/or biosolids to reach additional markets, for ease of spreading, and for storage. Does anyone know who makes equipment for such a purpose and any information about how well it works? I'd also love to find out if anyone you know of is doing that. Thank you! Tamara Thomas, P.E. Terre-SourceLLC Helping Compost Happen! 360-336-3536 Office 360-336-3530 FAX 425-844-6068 Field _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 _____________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From johncossham at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jun 3 19:19:58 2009 From: johncossham at tiscali.co.uk (John Cossham) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:19:58 +0100 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost References: Message-ID: <289D6A06DBAF44B480EF83D3FF9EBBFD@johnslaptop> Hi Tamara 'n all, I've never heard of pelletised compost, but can imagine why it might be a good idea, for compressing a low-density material for ease of transport, and for applying to land in a measured way. I wonder if you could use a wood-pelleting machine? These compress sawdust into wood pellets to use on automated feed woodstoves. I expect a simple Google search will throw up manufacturers of such equipment, I can only offer http://www.nef.org.uk/logpile/ which does have some links to pelleting machines, some of which might be international, not just UK. John, York, UK johncossham at tiscali.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamara Thomas" To: "'Compost Discussion List'" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost > Greetings Composters, > > I am looking for information about pelletizing compost and/or > biosolids to reach additional markets, for ease of spreading, and for > storage. Does anyone know who makes equipment for such a purpose and any > information about how well it works? I'd also love to find out if anyone > you know of is doing that. > > Thank you! > > Tamara Thomas, P.E. > Terre-SourceLLC > Helping Compost Happen! > 360-336-3536 Office > 360-336-3530 FAX > 425-844-6068 Field > > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2049 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00 From alexassoc at earthlink.net Thu Jun 4 08:19:37 2009 From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (alexassoc@earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:19:37 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101c9e517$1c485240$54d8f6c0$@net> Tammy, I have been working with a pelletized compost product. It is NOT a simple task (mechanically). Although agricultural / industrial pellet mills (and associated equipment) have been used - they require modification and intense maintenance, AND the correct compost product. Ron -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Tamara Thomas Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:38 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost Greetings Composters, I am looking for information about pelletizing compost and/or biosolids to reach additional markets, for ease of spreading, and for storage. Does anyone know who makes equipment for such a purpose and any information about how well it works? I'd also love to find out if anyone you know of is doing that. Thank you! Tamara Thomas, P.E. Terre-SourceLLC Helping Compost Happen! 360-336-3536 Office 360-336-3530 FAX 425-844-6068 Field _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ _ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From CAVM at aol.com Thu Jun 4 14:52:37 2009 From: CAVM at aol.com (CAVM@aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:52:37 EDT Subject: [USCC] Compost effectiveness study Message-ID: _http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/compost.htm_ (http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/compost.htm) This link describes comparative tests done to evaluate compost application as an effective method of improving degraded soil systems, especially for the benefit of wildlife. The results were not complementary for the composts used. Would anyone like to comment on this research? Neal **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org Thu Jun 4 15:40:43 2009 From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:40:43 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost effectiveness study In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011b01c9e554$bb525b00$31f71100$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org> 1. Does not say at what rate the compost was applied nor how that rate was determined. 2. No compost analysis. Without that information it is impossible to draw any inferences or conclusions from this report. Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins | Assistant Director of Programs | US Composting Council -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of CAVM at aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:53 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Compost effectiveness study _http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/compost.htm_ (http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/compost.htm) This link describes comparative tests done to evaluate compost application as an effective method of improving degraded soil systems, especially for the benefit of wildlife. The results were not complementary for the composts used. Would anyone like to comment on this research? Neal **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 _____________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV Fri Jun 5 07:46:00 2009 From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:46:00 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost effectiveness study In-Reply-To: <011b01c9e554$bb525b00$31f71100$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org> Message-ID: Dear Cary and Neal I agree that the information in the web report was inadequate to interpret the study, so I wrote the author to inquire about compost composition, soil properties and rates of application. One must do the "agronomy" to achieve success in revegetation research. And even the products used could be affected by the time the experiment started; Compro used to be the biosolids compost with lime from DC that we used with great success in remediation, but could be a leaf compost marked by the same Agency now. And depending on soil pH and infertility and texture, a low rate of yard debris/leaf compost might not be enough to improve the system. Compost quality matters! When I get the information, I'll share with USCC. I also sent him PDFs of papers showing highly effective use of compost in soil remediation/revegetation that he may never of heard of. Regards, Rufus Chaney USDA-ARS-EMBUL Beltsville, MD -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Cary Oshins Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:41 PM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] Compost effectiveness study 1. Does not say at what rate the compost was applied nor how that rate was determined. 2. No compost analysis. Without that information it is impossible to draw any inferences or conclusions from this report. Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins | Assistant Director of Programs | US Composting Council -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of CAVM at aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:53 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Compost effectiveness study _http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/compost.htm_ (http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/compost.htm) This link describes comparative tests done to evaluate compost application as an effective method of improving degraded soil systems, especially for the benefit of wildlife. The results were not complementary for the composts used. Would anyone like to comment on this research? Neal From LewisDV at mda.state.md.us Fri Jun 5 08:33:30 2009 From: LewisDV at mda.state.md.us (Donald Lewis) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:33:30 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost effectiveness study In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A28E669.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us> I reside within the same upper Chesapeake Bay area as the refuge, and my immediate question is whether the amount of compost added to the soil was sufficient enough to loosen up the clay soil routinely found in the region. A second question that may or may not be germane relates to the preliminary literature search done. Did it include the work done by Rufus Chaney and many others to explore the use of composted biosolids in the area? If my memory serves me correctly, these sites cannot be more than a short distance away from the Patuxent site. Were the results similar? Why were the literature citations redacted from the article excerpted? Don Lewis Compost Coordinator maryland Department of Agriculture 50 Harry S. Truman parkway Annapolis, MD 21401 Ph. 410-841-2721 >>> 6/4/2009 3:52 PM >>> _http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/compost.htm_ (http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/compost.htm) This link describes comparative tests done to evaluate compost application as an effective method of improving degraded soil systems, especially for the benefit of wildlife. The results were not complementary for the composts used. Would anyone like to comment on this research? Neal **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 _____________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org Fri Jun 5 11:23:43 2009 From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:23:43 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost News: Farm Composting Coop forming in Western PA Message-ID: <007801c9e5f9$feabd020$fc037060$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org> The Pennsylvania Resources Council is recruiting farmers to provide composting services in and around Pittsburgh, PA. http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/pa-farmers-join-a-compost-co-op/12185.html This clearly builds on the work in western Mass done by the Center for Ecological Technologies. http://www.cetonline.org/Publications/Farm%20Compost%20Report.pdf Building an organics recycling infrastructure will take many forms, from large centralized facilities to decentralized systems like these. Diversity is key! Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins | Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council | 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 | Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 | cell: 484-547-1521 | fax: 631-737-4939 | cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org Join us at the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, Orlando, FL The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste & Organics Recycling Industry The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Sessions, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations. Register at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! From bobbyswc at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 10:47:02 2009 From: bobbyswc at gmail.com (Bobby Chin) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 23:47:02 +0800 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost In-Reply-To: <001101c9e517$1c485240$54d8f6c0$@net> References: <001101c9e517$1c485240$54d8f6c0$@net> Message-ID: Tamara, Your idea to palletize compost to reduce handling ( and cost) may sound appealing at first reading. While it is not my intention to be a wet blanket, my experience of compost is that it serves mainly as an amendment to improve soil structure, not so much as a fertiliser. Any attempt to palletize it may have limited value because usually large amounts of it are needed, and it simply may not be cost effective ? it is like trying to palletize good top soil! I am curious to know what are the areas for commercial application. Bobby SW Chin Malaysia On 6/4/09, alexassoc at earthlink.net wrote: > > Tammy, > I have been working with a pelletized compost product. It is NOT a simple > task (mechanically). Although agricultural / industrial pellet mills (and > associated equipment) have been used - they require modification and > intense > maintenance, AND the correct compost product. > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com > [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Tamara Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:38 AM > To: 'Compost Discussion List' > Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost > > Greetings Composters, > > I am looking for information about pelletizing compost and/or > biosolids to reach additional markets, for ease of spreading, and for > storage. Does anyone know who makes equipment for such a purpose and any > information about how well it works? I'd also love to find out if anyone > you know of is doing that. > > Thank you! > > Tamara Thomas, P.E. > Terre-SourceLLC > Helping Compost Happen! > 360-336-3536 Office > 360-336-3530 FAX > 425-844-6068 Field > > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or > the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > From buckstop at vdot.net Mon Jun 8 09:28:58 2009 From: buckstop at vdot.net (Stu) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:28:58 -0400 Subject: [USCC] FW: Organic Waste Diversion in the Rockies Message-ID: <20090608142848.05EA4BF4F86@mx1.cloudnet.com> Organic Waste Diversion in the Rockies | Jackson, Wyoming - Snow King Resort | July 19-22, 2009 This conference will focus on developing and operating organic diversion systems specific to cold and arid climates. Speakers will discuss the challenges and opportunities of limited access to landfills and distant markets; integrating new programs with existing infrastructure; and developing markets for woody biomass. You will have ample opportunities to network with project managers of both private and public composting and recycling facilities, consultants, and government officials to help you find ways to turn organic materials into valuable resources. For Conference registration and other information contact: Penny McBride at 307-413-6797. URL: http://www.tetonconservation.org/index.cfm?id=waste-diversion-conference ____________________________________ Stuart Buckner, Ph.D. | Executive Director US Composting Council | 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 | Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 | cell: 631-834-1400 | fax: 631-737-4939 | stu.buckner at compostingcouncil.org Join us at the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, Orlando, FL The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste & Organics Recycling Industry The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Sessions, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations. Register at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! From tnthomas at terre-source.com Mon Jun 8 13:10:29 2009 From: tnthomas at terre-source.com (Tamara Thomas) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:10:29 -0700 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost In-Reply-To: References: <001101c9e517$1c485240$54d8f6c0$@net> Message-ID: <5FA6207A93C54DCD9802A4147EF6799D@MSMCE> Thank you, Bobby, I am investigating this question, not so much hoping to reduce handling, as to expand potential markets, to (maybe) make the products easier to apply, and to improve options for longer term storage. This inquiry targets not only biosolids compost, but also non-composted biosolids. Your appreciation for compost is well founded! And Thank you, to the rest of you with experience in this technology, for your input! Tamara Thomas, P.E. Terre-SourceLLC Helping Compost Happen! 360-336-3536 Office 360-336-3530 FAX 425-844-6068 Field -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Chin [mailto:bobbyswc at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:47 AM To: Compost Discussion List Subject: Re: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost Tamara, Your idea to palletize compost to reduce handling ( and cost) may sound appealing at first reading. While it is not my intention to be a wet blanket, my experience of compost is that it serves mainly as an amendment to improve soil structure, not so much as a fertiliser. Any attempt to palletize it may have limited value because usually large amounts of it are needed, and it simply may not be cost effective - it is like trying to palletize good top soil! I am curious to know what are the areas for commercial application. Bobby SW Chin Malaysia On 6/4/09, alexassoc at earthlink.net wrote: > > Tammy, > I have been working with a pelletized compost product. It is NOT a simple > task (mechanically). Although agricultural / industrial pellet mills (and > associated equipment) have been used - they require modification and > intense > maintenance, AND the correct compost product. > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com > [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Tamara Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:38 AM > To: 'Compost Discussion List' > Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost > > Greetings Composters, > > I am looking for information about pelletizing compost and/or > biosolids to reach additional markets, for ease of spreading, and for > storage. Does anyone know who makes equipment for such a purpose and any > information about how well it works? I'd also love to find out if anyone > you know of is doing that. > > Thank you! > > Tamara Thomas, P.E. > Terre-SourceLLC > Helping Compost Happen! > 360-336-3536 Office > 360-336-3530 FAX > 425-844-6068 Field > > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or > the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > From Sherrianj at plano.gov Mon Jun 8 15:08:50 2009 From: Sherrianj at plano.gov (Sherrian Jones) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:08:50 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost In-Reply-To: References: <001101c9e517$1c485240$54d8f6c0$@net> Message-ID: Tamara, One important point to remember is that compost is a living soil amendment that you want to keep fluffy and loose so that it's soil aeration properties are maximized. Excessive heat needed to pelletize the wood residuals in compost would be detrimental to living microorganisms and beneficial bacteria and compaction would remove much needed oxygen from your compost. It would also be very difficult task since the majority of lignin that allows a wood product to be pelletized is already broken down in finished compost. As Bobby mentioned compost is a soil amendment and not truly a fertilizer although it boosts a soils ability to retain applied fertilizers making them available when the plants need it. compost used as a topdressing on lawns filters down through grass blades building a nutrient rich base that allow grass roots to reach further into the Vertisol clays and hold onto moisture and nutrients for later uptake. Why not just bag and palletize your product for retail sale if you want to reach that market? Best Regards, Sherrian Jones Division Manager Texas Pure Products 972-742-0413 cell 972-390-7743 fax www.texaspureproducts.com ? -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Chin [mailto:bobbyswc at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 10:47 AM To: Compost Discussion List Subject: Re: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost Tamara, Your idea to palletize compost to reduce handling ( and cost) may sound appealing at first reading. While it is not my intention to be a wet blanket, my experience of compost is that it serves mainly as an amendment to improve soil structure, not so much as a fertiliser. Any attempt to palletize it may have limited value because usually large amounts of it are needed, and it simply may not be cost effective - it is like trying to palletize good top soil! I am curious to know what are the areas for commercial application. Bobby SW Chin Malaysia On 6/4/09, alexassoc at earthlink.net wrote: > > Tammy, > I have been working with a pelletized compost product. It is NOT a simple > task (mechanically). Although agricultural / industrial pellet mills (and > associated equipment) have been used - they require modification and > intense > maintenance, AND the correct compost product. > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com > [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Tamara Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:38 AM > To: 'Compost Discussion List' > Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost > > Greetings Composters, > > I am looking for information about pelletizing compost and/or > biosolids to reach additional markets, for ease of spreading, and for > storage. Does anyone know who makes equipment for such a purpose and any > information about how well it works? I'd also love to find out if anyone > you know of is doing that. > > Thank you! > > Tamara Thomas, P.E. > Terre-SourceLLC > Helping Compost Happen! > 360-336-3536 Office > 360-336-3530 FAX > 425-844-6068 Field > > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or > the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > From maureen.reilly at sympatico.ca Mon Jun 15 10:24:14 2009 From: maureen.reilly at sympatico.ca (Maureen Reilly) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:24:14 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost In-Reply-To: <5FA6207A93C54DCD9802A4147EF6799D@MSMCE> References: <001101c9e517$1c485240$54d8f6c0$@net> <5FA6207A93C54DCD9802A4147EF6799D@MSMCE> Message-ID: Dear Tamara You ask about making biosolids pellets. This is very costly, especially since the cost of fuel to dry the sludge pellets is increasingly expensive ... Toronto is paying nearly $3M per year for natural gas and electricity alone per year for the pelletizer to yeild about 18,000 dry tonnes. That is $167 per dry tonne of pellets....and no one will pay that much to purchase the pellets. Also the dried pellets are prone to explosion - organic dust explosion, and also to fires where the pellets are damp - they can easily reach a combustion temperature and need to be carefully stored. Maureen Reilly ---------------------------------------- > From: tnthomas at terre-source.com > To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:10:29 -0700 > Subject: Re: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost > > Thank you, Bobby, > > I am investigating this question, not so much hoping to reduce > handling, as to expand potential markets, to (maybe) make the products > easier to apply, and to improve options for longer term storage. This > inquiry targets not only biosolids compost, but also non-composted > biosolids. Your appreciation for compost is well founded! > > And Thank you, to the rest of you with experience in this technology, for > your input! > > Tamara Thomas, P.E. > Terre-SourceLLC > Helping Compost Happen! > 360-336-3536 Office > 360-336-3530 FAX > 425-844-6068 Field From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV Mon Jun 15 11:09:24 2009 From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:09:24 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Tamara: Each city decides on which biosolids processing method is least expensive for that city or POTW. For some, heat drying biosolids has been cost effective, e.g., Milwaukee, Houston, New York, Baltimore, and many others have at least some POTWs with heat dried products. Some palletize. Some don't have to palletize (Milwaukee). Cities try to recover as much of their costs as possible by selling the dried products, but the decision to use heat drying vs. other methods is based on the least overall cost of biosolids processing/utilization. Keep in mind that a large city has a large hauling cost for other forms of biosolids. Higher fuel costs are important to those cities as much as to heat-drying biosolids. And that composting is an additional cost even if it does make a great product. Small cities which are near farmland can choose to apply fluid or dewatered biosolids locally, but not the big cities. Industrial pretreatment has made most US biosolids so low in metals that they as low as other organic amendments (yard debris compost, manure compost, MSW compost, etc.). Regards, Rufus Chaney USDA-ARS Beltsville, MD -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Maureen Reilly Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:24 AM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: Re: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost Dear Tamara You ask about making biosolids pellets. This is very costly, especially since the cost of fuel to dry the sludge pellets is increasingly expensive ... Toronto is paying nearly $3M per year for natural gas and electricity alone per year for the pelletizer to yeild about 18,000 dry tonnes. That is $167 per dry tonne of pellets....and no one will pay that much to purchase the pellets. Also the dried pellets are prone to explosion - organic dust explosion, and also to fires where the pellets are damp - they can easily reach a combustion temperature and need to be carefully stored. Maureen Reilly ---------------------------------------- > From: tnthomas at terre-source.com > To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:10:29 -0700 > Subject: Re: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost > > Thank you, Bobby, > > I am investigating this question, not so much hoping to reduce > handling, as to expand potential markets, to (maybe) make the products > easier to apply, and to improve options for longer term storage. This > inquiry targets not only biosolids compost, but also non-composted > biosolids. Your appreciation for compost is well founded! > > And Thank you, to the rest of you with experience in this technology, for > your input! > > Tamara Thomas, P.E. > Terre-SourceLLC > Helping Compost Happen! > 360-336-3536 Office > 360-336-3530 FAX > 425-844-6068 Field From CAVM at aol.com Mon Jun 15 13:06:26 2009 From: CAVM at aol.com (CAVM@aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:06:26 EDT Subject: [USCC] Costs of pelletizing Message-ID: Maureen, heat and electrical power can be made via gasification using similar inputs to those which might be used for bulking and carbon sources in composting. Wood, nut hulls, crop residue, biosolids, animal manure, etc can be gasified to produce virtually any amount of heat required. The gas produced can also be used in a wide variety of engines to produce electrical power, mechanical energy, pumping, etc. Using these techniques a greenhouse can be developed to become your compost customer in any environment. We can heat and light a greenhouse in any area from Alaska to Gaza. In this way you can develop customers for your soil amendments. Neal Van Milligen _cavm at aol.com_ (mailto:cavm at aol.com) In a message dated 6/15/2009 12:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, compost-request at mailman.cloudnet.com writes: Toronto is paying nearly $3M per year for natural gas and electricity alone per year for the pelletizer to yeild about 18,000 dry tonnes. That is $167 per dry tonne of pellets....and no one will pay that much to purchase the pellets **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) From hshields at worldpath.net Mon Jun 15 13:17:41 2009 From: hshields at worldpath.net (Helane Shields) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:17:41 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Pelletizing equipment for compost - toxic pollutants in sewage sludge "biosolids" Message-ID: <8A2EE16E339047389E2C1F59AECF9A34@helanesys> While some industrial pretreatment programs have reduced inputs of inorganic toxic metals, huge quantities of other toxic industrial pollutants, including PFOAs (perfluoroonctanoic acid )are still being discharged untested, unmonitored, unregulated, into sewage treatment plants around the country, The wastewater treatment process reconcentrates these organic (carbon based) bioaccumulative, persistent carcinogens in the sewage sludge and treated effluent discharged to surface waters. This toxic industrial chemical is showing up not only in soil, sludge, surface and groundwater, but even in fish and in meat and milk of animals grazing on sludged fields. The results of US EPA and USDA tests for PFOA taken in Alabama March 2009 still have not been released to the public although some residents have been informed their wells are polluted with PFOA. States reporting PFOA contamination include Georgia, Alabama, Minnesota, New York, New Jersey, Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina and Ohio. Farmers need to think twice before spreading toxic sewage sludge on their land as "fertilizer". Helane Shields, Alton, NH, Sludge researcher since 1996 http://www.sludgevictims.com From bobbyswc at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 00:46:56 2009 From: bobbyswc at gmail.com (Bobby Chin) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:46:56 +0800 Subject: [USCC] Costs of pelletizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Neil, I'd like to find out more about gassification. How do you convert biomass etc and what is the measure of conversion cost? There would probably be a need to dehydrate the biomass before it can be gassified. This needs to be added to the conversion cost equation. Regards, Bobby SW Chin Malaysia On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:06 AM, wrote: > Maureen, heat and electrical power can be made via gasification using > similar inputs to those which might be used for bulking and carbon sources > in > composting. Wood, nut hulls, crop residue, biosolids, animal manure, etc > can > be gasified to produce virtually any amount of heat required. The gas > produced can also be used in a wide variety of engines to produce > electrical > power, mechanical energy, pumping, etc. > > Using these techniques a greenhouse can be developed to become your compost > customer in any environment. We can heat and light a greenhouse in any > area from Alaska to Gaza. In this way you can develop customers for your > soil > amendments. > > Neal Van Milligen > _cavm at aol.com_ (mailto:cavm at aol.com) > > > In a message dated 6/15/2009 12:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > compost-request at mailman.cloudnet.com writes: > > Toronto is paying nearly $3M per year for natural gas and electricity > alone per year for the pelletizer to yeild about 18,000 dry tonnes. That > is > $167 per dry tonne of pellets....and no one will pay that much to purchase > the pellets > > **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your > fingertips. > ( > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004 > ) > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > From frank at compostlab.com Wed Jun 17 11:27:12 2009 From: frank at compostlab.com (frank) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:27:12 -0700 Subject: [USCC] Costs of pelletizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A391960.70506@compostlab.com> Composters, The web site below has a gasifier kit that will run a small (~40 hp) engine and do other things. I built one and have learned a lot. But it never will (or should) replace composting. IMO. Frank http://www.gekgasifier.com/ Bobby Chin wrote: >Hi Neil, > >I'd like to find out more about gassification. How do you convert biomass >etc and what is the measure of conversion cost? There would probably be a >need to dehydrate the biomass before it can be gassified. This needs to be >added to the conversion cost equation. > >Regards, > >Bobby SW Chin >Malaysia > > >On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:06 AM, wrote: > > > >>Maureen, heat and electrical power can be made via gasification using >>similar inputs to those which might be used for bulking and carbon sources >>in >>composting. Wood, nut hulls, crop residue, biosolids, animal manure, etc >>can >>be gasified to produce virtually any amount of heat required. The gas >>produced can also be used in a wide variety of engines to produce >>electrical >>power, mechanical energy, pumping, etc. >> >>Using these techniques a greenhouse can be developed to become your compost >> customer in any environment. We can heat and light a greenhouse in any >>area from Alaska to Gaza. In this way you can develop customers for your >>soil >> amendments. >> >>Neal Van Milligen >>_cavm at aol.com_ (mailto:cavm at aol.com) >> >> >>In a message dated 6/15/2009 12:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >>compost-request at mailman.cloudnet.com writes: >> >>Toronto is paying nearly $3M per year for natural gas and electricity >>alone per year for the pelletizer to yeild about 18,000 dry tonnes. That >>is >>$167 per dry tonne of pellets....and no one will pay that much to purchase >>the pellets >> >>**************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your >>fingertips. >>( >>http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004 >>) >>_______________________________________ >>Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, >>January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest >>Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & >>Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training >>Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" >>Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. >>Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information >>and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website >>www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 >> >>_____________________________________________________________________________ >>Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com >>http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost >>_______________________________________ >>This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). >>(c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved >> >>Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, >>or the Board of Directors. >> >>Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website >>at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm >> >>Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their >>posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information >>regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: >>http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost >> >>For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a >>message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org >> >> >> >_______________________________________ >Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. 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For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > >For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > > > > -- Frank Shields Soil Control Lab 42 Hangar way Watsonville, CA 95076 (831) 724-5422 tel (831) 724-3188 fax frank at compostlab.com www.compostlab.com From Powellk at co.portage.wi.us Wed Jun 17 11:53:13 2009 From: Powellk at co.portage.wi.us (Kathy Powell) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:53:13 -0600 Subject: [USCC] home composting ordinances In-Reply-To: <7C8513EEA091AD468467A26C2C491D5C543A9C87FC@MEWMAD0PC01G01.accounts.wistate.us> Message-ID: In central Wisconsin home composting is either not mentioned in nuisance ordinances (but covered in general) or it mentions that it should be 3-5 ft from a property line. My experience in teaching home composting for the last 17 years, that includes adding appropriate food scraps, is that a bin is indeed a good approach, especially in town. There are commercial bins that work well for this, but there are numerous commercial and most home built bins that do not have lids or latching lids and do not secure to the ground yet they still work fine. So keeping home composting covered in a ordinance as a general nuisance with possibly a property line separation, no meat and be sure to bury or cover food scraps should be practical and adequate to fit the real world. Kathy Powell - Education & Program Specialist Recycling Connections Corp 600 Moore Rd Plover WI 54467 715-345-5972 kathy at recyclingconnections.org "Wheat, Gretchen S - DNR" Sent by: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 05/15/2009 03:31 PM Please respond to Compost Discussion List To Compost Discussion List cc Subject Re: [USCC] home composting ordinances I would not recommend "excluding" home composting from anti-nuisance regulation. I've seen them infested with rats, a wood chuck, raccoon & opossum - that has all been in an urban environ. Instead, write the ordinance with home composting operational requirements that will help prevent nuisances from occurring. For yard materials composting: Max. size & location limitations (shouldn't be too close to residences or other structures that may be combustible). For food materials composting: Enclosed composting, secured tight to ground, latching lid, max remaining openings of 1/4 inch. Leaf layer on bottom & over each addition of food waste. No meat. Max. size & location. Gretchen Wheat, P.E. Water Resources Engineer, Runoff Management Section Bureau of Watershed Management, Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources phone: (608) 264-6273; fax: (608) 267-7664; e-mail: gretchen.wheat at wisconsin.gov mailing address: Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, Box 7921, Madison, WI 53707-7921 Attention: Gretchen Wheat - WT/3 -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Cary Oshins Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [USCC] home composting ordinances We received an inquiry from a municipal lawyer about how to exclude and recognize home composting from a municipal anti-nuisance regulation. Please send me any suggestions and examples and I will forward. Thanks, Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council 2324 W. Tilghman St. Allentown, PA 18104 phone: 484-547-1521 fax: 484-274-6779 cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org USCC Main Office: 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 fax: 631-737-4939 Celebrate International Compost Awareness Week, May 3-9, 2009 For more details go to www.compostingcouncil.org/programs/icaw/ Help support our industry. Become a member today!!! _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 _____________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 _____________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From CAVM at aol.com Thu Jun 18 09:54:12 2009 From: CAVM at aol.com (CAVM@aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:54:12 EDT Subject: [USCC] Energy Message-ID: Bobby, biomass of nearly every type, even compost, has energy value. Typically this ranges from 6000 to 8000 BTU per pound on a dry basis. If we were to start with wet or moist material it has to be fairly dry to extract the energy via gasification or even combustion. However, the energy production process typically has substantial waste heat which can be used in the drying process. Solar and air drying also are helpful. If you are thinking of electrical production you can expect 2.5 - 3 pounds of 20% mc fuel to be consumed for each kW of electrical output. This assumes that the gas produced by the unit has an engine and generator as its power gen.set. This same gas and engine can be used to pump water, extrude feed or whatever use you want to which you want to put mechanical energy. The heat can be used to distill water, heat a greenhouse, provide process heat for manufacturing or drying. As Frank pointed out, the instructions and plans are widely available on the internet. A few hours of operating the system will provide a basic knowledge of the art of producing power. Being able to encourage year around crop production via greenhouse operations can provide you with some of the highest end uses of your compost, compost tea, and other products. By being able to recommend an energy source for your potential customer you can have a substantial economic return for your own enterprise. Neal Van Milligen cavm at aol.com In a message dated 6/17/2009 12:40:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, compost-request at mailman.cloudnet.com writes: Hi Neil, I'd like to find out more about gassification. How do you convert biomass etc and what is the measure of conversion cost? There would probably be a need to dehydrate the biomass before it can be gassified. This needs to be added to the conversion cost equation. Regards, Bobby SW Chin Malaysia **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) From paul.olivier at esrint.com Fri Jun 19 17:17:51 2009 From: paul.olivier at esrint.com (Paul Olivier) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:17:51 +0700 Subject: [USCC] [B-ISA] Is the Science Barge Sustainable? In-Reply-To: <95E2D21D34E9874FB2B1505B1CB73F789DBE9D@ksumail3.kysu.campus> References: <95E2D21D34E9874FB2B1505B1CB73F789DBE9D@ksumail3.kysu.campus> Message-ID: <26982a580906191517m308d0671l758a364511bcd1b2@mail.gmail.com> Michael, When I looked a bit further in the direction of your posting, I saw that you are involved in some fantastic work. I recently (re-)posted these three presentations on the internet: This first is the presentation on BSF technology that you know quite well. It has been modified quite a bit.http://www.esrla.com/pdf/Brazil.pdf We will soon be shipping a container of pods to the USA. There are new designs for the drainage of liquids, and we designed pallet racks specifically for supporting pods. The second is a presentation on a composting program I am organizing in the highland areas of Vietnam. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/composting.pdf I am out of my field here, but I have had some help from James Kalin and Mike Richard of Louisiana. Here in the highlands of Dalat BSF are present, but in very small numbers. These compost bins will serve as seeding units for the vast cultivation of wild populations of BSF. Once BSF are present in large numbers, we will begin to install the bioconversion units to harvest the larvae. The third is about the recycling of residential waste in the USA and Europe. It features my separation technology in the processing of residential shredder residue. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/rsr.pdf Municipalities in the USA do not have to wait five or ten years to initiate a total landfill avoidance program. This can begin now. However this concept presupposes the source separation of food waste as well as the source-separation of most recyclable paper and cardboard. Here I introduce the idea of an aerated storage unit for food waste that does away with the need for its daily collection. You will see here a parallel with the Vietnam presentation. James Kalin is introducing this separation technology to the state of California, and there is no better place in California than San Francisco. Many thanks. Paul -- Paul A. Olivier 27c Pham Hong Thai, Ward 10 Dalat City Lam Dong Province Vietnam Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) Mobile: 0906941573 (in Vietnam) Mobile: 84-906941573 (outside Vietnam) Skype address: Xpolivier On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Bomford, Michael wrote: > Hello B-ISA folks, > > > > Yesterday I posted a critique of the Science Barge project to the Energy > Farms blog (http://energyfarms.net). I thought it would be of interest to > the B-ISA group. Comments? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mike > > > > Michael Bomford, PhD > > Principal Investigator, Organic / Sustainable Agriculture > > Community Research Service > > Kentucky State University > > 400 E. Main St., Frankfort KY 40601 > > > > Phone: 502-597-5752 > > Fax: 502-597-6381 > > Email: michael.bomford at kysu.edu > > Web: http://organic.kysu.edu > > > > > > > From paul.olivier at esrint.com Sun Jun 21 04:56:40 2009 From: paul.olivier at esrint.com (Paul Olivier) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:56:40 +0700 Subject: [USCC] [B-ISA] Is the Science Barge Sustainable? In-Reply-To: <26982a580906191517m308d0671l758a364511bcd1b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <95E2D21D34E9874FB2B1505B1CB73F789DBE9D@ksumail3.kysu.campus> <26982a580906191517m308d0671l758a364511bcd1b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26982a580906210256v530d4e7bn19496023ac8342ad@mail.gmail.com> It is refreshing to read articles such as this one: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/opinion/21kristof.html?th&emc=th Paul On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Paul Olivier wrote: > Michael, > > When I looked a bit further in the direction of your posting, I saw that > you are involved in some fantastic work. I recently (re-)posted these three > presentations on the internet: > > This first is the presentation on BSF technology that you know quite well. > It has been modified quite a bit.http://www.esrla.com/pdf/Brazil.pdf We > will soon be shipping a container of pods to the USA. There are new designs > for the drainage of liquids, and we designed pallet racks specifically for > supporting pods. > > The second is a presentation on a composting program I am organizing in the > highland areas of Vietnam. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/composting.pdf I am > out of my field here, but I have had some help from James Kalin and Mike > Richard of Louisiana. Here in the highlands of Dalat BSF are present, but in > very small numbers. These compost bins will serve as seeding units for the > vast cultivation of wild populations of BSF. Once BSF are present in large > numbers, we will begin to install the bioconversion units to harvest the > larvae. > > The third is about the recycling of residential waste in the USA and > Europe. It features my separation technology in the processing of > residential shredder residue. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/rsr.pdfMunicipalities in the USA do not have to wait five or ten years to initiate > a total landfill avoidance program. This can begin now. However this concept > presupposes the source separation of food waste as well as the > source-separation of most recyclable paper and cardboard. Here I introduce > the idea of an aerated storage unit for food waste that does away with the > need for its daily collection. You will see here a parallel with the Vietnam > presentation. James Kalin is introducing this separation technology to the > state of California, and there is no better place in California than San > Francisco. > > Many thanks. > Paul > > -- > Paul A. Olivier > 27c Pham Hong Thai, Ward 10 > Dalat City > Lam Dong Province > Vietnam > > Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) > Mobile: 0906941573 (in Vietnam) > Mobile: 84-906941573 (outside Vietnam) > Skype address: Xpolivier > > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Bomford, Michael < > michael.bomford at kysu.edu> wrote: > >> Hello B-ISA folks, >> >> >> >> Yesterday I posted a critique of the Science Barge project to the Energy >> Farms blog (http://energyfarms.net). I thought it would be of interest to >> the B-ISA group. Comments? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> Michael Bomford, PhD >> >> Principal Investigator, Organic / Sustainable Agriculture >> >> Community Research Service >> >> Kentucky State University >> >> 400 E. Main St., Frankfort KY 40601 >> >> >> >> Phone: 502-597-5752 >> >> Fax: 502-597-6381 >> >> Email: michael.bomford at kysu.edu >> >> Web: http://organic.kysu.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > From alexassoc at earthlink.net Sun Jun 21 07:51:09 2009 From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (alexassoc@earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:51:09 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Glasss removal Message-ID: <001b01c9f26e$f2fd4a20$d8f7de60$@net> Hello Compost World, Has anyone had any success with screening or related technologies for removing glass from compost? Thanks, Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, NC 27502 USA 919-367-8350 919-367-8351 fax alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net From johncossham at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jun 22 13:47:09 2009 From: johncossham at tiscali.co.uk (John Cossham) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:47:09 +0100 Subject: [USCC] [B-ISA] Is the Science Barge Sustainable? References: <95E2D21D34E9874FB2B1505B1CB73F789DBE9D@ksumail3.kysu.campus> <26982a580906191517m308d0671l758a364511bcd1b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7EF611E2D8724BDD96582FCE491C5DB1@johnslaptop> I loved the presentation about composting in Vietnam, but forgive my ignorance, what are 'BSF larvae'? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Olivier" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [USCC] [B-ISA] Is the Science Barge Sustainable? > Michael, > > When I looked a bit further in the direction of your posting, I saw that > you > are involved in some fantastic work. I recently (re-)posted these three > presentations on the internet: > > This first is the presentation on BSF technology that you know quite well. > It has been modified quite a bit.http://www.esrla.com/pdf/Brazil.pdf We > will > soon be shipping a container of pods to the USA. There are new designs for > the drainage of liquids, and we designed pallet racks specifically for > supporting pods. > > The second is a presentation on a composting program I am organizing in > the > highland areas of Vietnam. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/composting.pdf I am > out > of my field here, but I have had some help from James Kalin and Mike > Richard > of Louisiana. Here in the highlands of Dalat BSF are present, but in very > small numbers. These compost bins will serve as seeding units for the vast > cultivation of wild populations of BSF. Once BSF are present in large > numbers, we will begin to install the bioconversion units to harvest the > larvae. > > The third is about the recycling of residential waste in the USA and > Europe. > It features my separation technology in the processing of residential > shredder residue. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/rsr.pdf Municipalities in the > USA > do not have to wait five or ten years to initiate a total landfill > avoidance > program. This can begin now. However this concept presupposes the source > separation of food waste as well as the source-separation of most > recyclable > paper and cardboard. Here I introduce the idea of an aerated storage unit > for food waste that does away with the need for its daily collection. You > will see here a parallel with the Vietnam presentation. James Kalin is > introducing this separation technology to the state of California, and > there > is no better place in California than San Francisco. > > Many thanks. > Paul > > -- > Paul A. Olivier > 27c Pham Hong Thai, Ward 10 > Dalat City > Lam Dong Province > Vietnam > > Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) > Mobile: 0906941573 (in Vietnam) > Mobile: 84-906941573 (outside Vietnam) > Skype address: Xpolivier > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Bomford, Michael > wrote: > >> Hello B-ISA folks, >> >> >> >> Yesterday I posted a critique of the Science Barge project to the Energy >> Farms blog (http://energyfarms.net). I thought it would be of interest to >> the B-ISA group. Comments? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> Michael Bomford, PhD >> >> Principal Investigator, Organic / Sustainable Agriculture >> >> Community Research Service >> >> Kentucky State University >> >> 400 E. Main St., Frankfort KY 40601 >> >> >> >> Phone: 502-597-5752 >> >> Fax: 502-597-6381 >> >> Email: michael.bomford at kysu.edu >> >> Web: http://organic.kysu.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2962 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.85/2193 - Release Date: 06/21/09 20:02:00 From paul.olivier at esrint.com Mon Jun 22 14:15:07 2009 From: paul.olivier at esrint.com (Paul Olivier) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:15:07 +0700 Subject: [USCC] Glasss removal In-Reply-To: <001b01c9f26e$f2fd4a20$d8f7de60$@net> References: <001b01c9f26e$f2fd4a20$d8f7de60$@net> Message-ID: <26982a580906221215j179197b9rcc0e394e69f349be@mail.gmail.com> It would be very easy to remove all glass and other inorganic material from grass using a simple water bath. To get an idea of how this could be done, please see: http://www.esrla.com/pdf/rsr.pdf Thanks. Paul -- Paul A. Olivier PhD 27c Pham Hong Thai, Ward 10 Dalat City Lam Dong Province Vietnam Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) Mobile: 0906941573 (in Vietnam) Mobile: 84-906941573 (outside Vietnam) Skype address: Xpolivier On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:51 PM, wrote: > Hello Compost World, > > Has anyone had any success with screening or related technologies for > removing glass from compost? > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > > > Ron Alexander > R. Alexander Associates, Inc. > 1212 Eastham Drive > Apex, NC 27502 > USA > 919-367-8350 > 919-367-8351 fax > alexassoc at earthlink.net > www.alexassoc.net > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > From Kathy.Ohern at gallatin.mt.gov Tue Jun 23 10:39:17 2009 From: Kathy.Ohern at gallatin.mt.gov (O'Hern, Kathy) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:39:17 -0600 Subject: [USCC] Glasss removal In-Reply-To: <001b01c9f26e$f2fd4a20$d8f7de60$@net> References: <001b01c9f26e$f2fd4a20$d8f7de60$@net> Message-ID: <2AB5807788D68C49BF0700BD0A9D5D6D03FFD96D@mail03.gcc.gov> Ron, We have had good luck removing glass from our MSW compost using a Forsbergs DeStoner. It's an air classification system. http://www.forsbergs.com/ Kathy O'Hern West Yellowstone Compost Facility -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of alexassoc at earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:51 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [USCC] Glasss removal Hello Compost World, Has anyone had any success with screening or related technologies for removing glass from compost? Thanks, Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, NC 27502 USA 919-367-8350 919-367-8351 fax alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ________________________________________________________________________ _____ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From LewisDV at mda.state.md.us Tue Jun 23 10:40:50 2009 From: LewisDV at mda.state.md.us (Donald Lewis) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:40:50 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Glasss removal In-Reply-To: <26982a580906221215j179197b9rcc0e394e69f349be@mail.gmail.com> References: <001b01c9f26e$f2fd4a20$d8f7de60$@net> <26982a580906221215j179197b9rcc0e394e69f349be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A40BF43.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us> I fear that the notion that a simple water extraction of glass is fallacious. The problem is that regulators like me take a very dim view of adding water to a compost because the increase in weight results in additional cost to the end user. Effectively you would have found a way to sell cheap water at a premium price. Somewhat like selling bottled water! Don Lewis Compost Coordinator Maryland Department of Agriculture 50 Harry S. Truman Parkway Annapolis, MD 21401 Ph. 410-841-2721 >>> Paul Olivier 6/22/2009 3:15 PM >>> It would be very easy to remove all glass and other inorganic material from grass using a simple water bath. To get an idea of how this could be done, please see: http://www.esrla.com/pdf/rsr.pdf Thanks. Paul -- Paul A. Olivier PhD 27c Pham Hong Thai, Ward 10 Dalat City Lam Dong Province Vietnam Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) Mobile: 0906941573 (in Vietnam) Mobile: 84-906941573 (outside Vietnam) Skype address: Xpolivier On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:51 PM, wrote: > Hello Compost World, > > Has anyone had any success with screening or related technologies for > removing glass from compost? > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > > > Ron Alexander > R. Alexander Associates, Inc. > 1212 Eastham Drive > Apex, NC 27502 > USA > 919-367-8350 > 919-367-8351 fax > alexassoc at earthlink.net > www.alexassoc.net > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 _____________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From dmhill at aol.com Tue Jun 23 15:43:55 2009 From: dmhill at aol.com (dmhill@aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:43:55 -0400 Subject: [USCC] [B-ISA] Is the Science Barge Sustainable? In-Reply-To: <7EF611E2D8724BDD96582FCE491C5DB1@johnslaptop> References: <95E2D21D34E9874FB2B1505B1CB73F789DBE9D@ksumail3.kysu.campus><26982a580906191517m308d0671l758a364511bcd1b2@mail.gmail.com> <7EF611E2D8724BDD96582FCE491C5DB1@johnslaptop> Message-ID: <8CBC25A75F33DBC-FB8-12AD@WEBMAIL-MB03.sysops.aol.com> BSF = Black Soldier Fly (larvae). Good blog site on the subject is http://blacksoldierflyblog.com David Hill CycleLogic (301) 493-5180 -----Original Message----- From: John Cossham To: Compost Discussion List Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [USCC] [B-ISA] Is the Science Barge Sustainable? I loved the presentation about composting in Vietnam, but forgive my ignorance, what are 'BSF larvae'?? John? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Olivier" ? To: ? Cc: ? Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:17 PM? Subject: Re: [USCC] [B-ISA] Is the Science Barge Sustainable?? ? > Michael,? >? > When I looked a bit further in the direction of your posting, I saw that > you? > are involved in some fantastic work. I recently (re-)posted these three? > presentations on the internet:? >? > This first is the presentation on BSF technology that you know quite well.? > It has been modified quite a bit.http://www.esrla.com/pdf/Brazil.pdf We > will? > soon be shipping a container of pods to the USA. There are new designs for? > the drainage of liquids, and we designed pallet racks specifically for? > supporting pods.? >? > The second is a presentation on a composting program I am organizing in > the? > highland areas of Vietnam. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/composting.pdf I am > out? > of my field here, but I have had some help from James Kalin and Mike > Richard? > of Louisiana. Here in the highlands of Dalat BSF are present, but in very? > small numbers. These compost bins will serve as seeding units for the vast? > cultivation of wild populations of BSF. Once BSF are present in large? > numbers, we will begin to install the bioconversion units to harvest the? > larvae.? >? > The third is about the recycling of residential waste in the USA and > Europe.? > It features my separation technology in the processing of residential? > shredder residue. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/rsr.pdf Municipalities in the > USA? > do not have to wait five or ten years to initiate a total landfill > avoidance? > program. This can begin now. However this concept presupposes the source? > separation of food waste as well as the source-separation of most > recyclable? > paper and cardboard. Here I introduce the idea of an aerated storage unit? > for food waste that does away with the need for its daily collection. You? > will see here a parallel with the Vietnam presentation. James Kalin is? > introducing this separation technology to the state of California, and > there? > is no better place in California than San Francisco.? >? > Many thanks.? > Paul? >? > -- > Paul A. Olivier? > 27c Pham Hong Thai, Ward 10? > Dalat City? > Lam Dong Province? > Vietnam? >? > Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam)? > Mobile: 0906941573 (in Vietnam)? > Mobile: 84-906941573 (outside Vietnam)? > Skype address: Xpolivier? >? >? > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Bomford, Michael? > wrote:? >? >> Hello B-ISA folks,? >>? >>? >>? >> Yesterday I posted a critique of the Science Barge project to the Energy? >> Farms blog (http://energyfarms.net). I thought it would be of interest to? >> the B-ISA group. Comments?? >>? >>? >>? >> Cheers,? >>? >>? >>? >> Mike? >>? >>? >>? >> Michael Bomford, PhD? >>? >> Principal Investigator, Organic / Sustainable Agriculture? >>? >> Community Research Service? >>? >> Kentucky State University? >>? >> 400 E. Main St., Frankfort KY 40601? >>? >>? >>? >> Phone: 502-597-5752? >>? >> Fax: 502-597-6381? >>? >> Email: michael.bomford at kysu.edu? >>? >> Web: http://organic.kysu.edu? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >? > ? -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter.? We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam.? SPAMfighter has removed 2962 of my spam emails to date.? Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len? ? The Professional version does not have this message? ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.85/2193 - Release Date: 06/21/09 20:02:00 _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 _____________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From Pat.Millner at ARS.USDA.GOV Wed Jun 24 08:12:36 2009 From: Pat.Millner at ARS.USDA.GOV (Millner, Pat) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:12:36 -0400 Subject: [USCC] degradation of methane and VOCs by compost landfill covers: a column study Message-ID: <00272646B7B7834BA335443F6ED4220C02934911@MD-MAIL-02.ARSNET.ARS.USDA.GOV> Biodegradation of Methane and Halocarbons in Simulated Landfill Biocover Systems Containing Compost Materials J. Environ. Qual. 38:1363-1371. 2009. Charlotte Scheutz,* Gitte B. Pedersen, Giulia Costa, and Peter Kjeldsen Technical University of Denmark The attenuation potential of methane (CH4) and of selected volatile organic compounds (VOCs) was compared in four types of compost materials using dynamic flow column experiments over a period of 255 d. Garden waste compost mixed with woodchips showed the highest steady-state CH4 oxidation rate (161 g m-2 d-1), followed by a commercial compost product Supermuld (110 g m-2 d-1). In the column containing the highest fraction of compost (compost/sand mixed in 1:1), CH4 oxidation declined significantly during the period of operation, probably due to clogging by formation of exopolymeric substances. After 40 d of operation, CH4 production was observed. All the VOCs tested were degraded. CFC-11 (CCl3F) and HCFC-21 (CCl2FH) were anaerobically degraded by reductive dechlorination, generating HCFC-31 (CClFH2) and HFC-41 (CFH3), which were both aerobically degraded in the oxic portion of the columns. Overall, the highest removal of VOCs was observed in the column containing the compost/ wood chip mixture. This study demonstrates that biocovers consisting of compost materials have the potential to attenuate trace gas emissions from landfills. Pat Millner USDA-ARS From paul.olivier at esrint.com Tue Jun 23 16:21:49 2009 From: paul.olivier at esrint.com (Paul Olivier) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:21:49 +0700 Subject: [USCC] [B-ISA] Is the Science Barge Sustainable? In-Reply-To: <7EF611E2D8724BDD96582FCE491C5DB1@johnslaptop> References: <95E2D21D34E9874FB2B1505B1CB73F789DBE9D@ksumail3.kysu.campus> <26982a580906191517m308d0671l758a364511bcd1b2@mail.gmail.com> <7EF611E2D8724BDD96582FCE491C5DB1@johnslaptop> Message-ID: <26982a580906231421s48d14585qc0ab02116008fddd@mail.gmail.com> John, BSF larvae are black soldier fly larvae. Any comments and suggestions regarding the aerated storage unit depicted in this presentation would be most welcome. I know very little about composting. Paul -- Paul A. Olivier PhD 27c Pham Hong Thai, Ward 10 Dalat City Lam Dong Province Vietnam Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) Mobile: 0906941573 (in Vietnam) Mobile: 84-906941573 (outside Vietnam) Skype address: Xpolivier On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:47 AM, John Cossham wrote: > I loved the presentation about composting in Vietnam, but forgive my > ignorance, what are 'BSF larvae'? > John > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Olivier" > > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: [USCC] [B-ISA] Is the Science Barge Sustainable? > > > > Michael, >> >> When I looked a bit further in the direction of your posting, I saw that >> you >> are involved in some fantastic work. I recently (re-)posted these three >> presentations on the internet: >> >> This first is the presentation on BSF technology that you know quite well. >> It has been modified quite a bit.http://www.esrla.com/pdf/Brazil.pdf We >> will >> soon be shipping a container of pods to the USA. There are new designs for >> the drainage of liquids, and we designed pallet racks specifically for >> supporting pods. >> >> The second is a presentation on a composting program I am organizing in >> the >> highland areas of Vietnam. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/composting.pdf I am >> out >> of my field here, but I have had some help from James Kalin and Mike >> Richard >> of Louisiana. Here in the highlands of Dalat BSF are present, but in very >> small numbers. These compost bins will serve as seeding units for the vast >> cultivation of wild populations of BSF. Once BSF are present in large >> numbers, we will begin to install the bioconversion units to harvest the >> larvae. >> >> The third is about the recycling of residential waste in the USA and >> Europe. >> It features my separation technology in the processing of residential >> shredder residue. http://www.esrla.com/pdf/rsr.pdf Municipalities in the >> USA >> do not have to wait five or ten years to initiate a total landfill >> avoidance >> program. This can begin now. However this concept presupposes the source >> separation of food waste as well as the source-separation of most >> recyclable >> paper and cardboard. Here I introduce the idea of an aerated storage unit >> for food waste that does away with the need for its daily collection. You >> will see here a parallel with the Vietnam presentation. James Kalin is >> introducing this separation technology to the state of California, and >> there >> is no better place in California than San Francisco. >> >> Many thanks. >> Paul >> >> -- >> Paul A. Olivier >> 27c Pham Hong Thai, Ward 10 >> Dalat City >> Lam Dong Province >> Vietnam >> >> Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) >> Mobile: 0906941573 (in Vietnam) >> Mobile: 84-906941573 (outside Vietnam) >> Skype address: Xpolivier >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Bomford, Michael >> wrote: >> >> Hello B-ISA folks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Yesterday I posted a critique of the Science Barge project to the Energy >>> Farms blog (http://energyfarms.net). I thought it would be of interest >>> to >>> the B-ISA group. Comments? >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael Bomford, PhD >>> >>> Principal Investigator, Organic / Sustainable Agriculture >>> >>> Community Research Service >>> >>> Kentucky State University >>> >>> 400 E. Main St., Frankfort KY 40601 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 502-597-5752 >>> >>> Fax: 502-597-6381 >>> >>> Email: michael.bomford at kysu.edu >>> >>> Web: http://organic.kysu.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 2962 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.85/2193 - Release Date: 06/21/09 > 20:02:00 > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, > January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > > From paul.olivier at esrint.com Tue Jun 23 16:25:05 2009 From: paul.olivier at esrint.com (Paul Olivier) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:25:05 +0700 Subject: [USCC] Glasss removal In-Reply-To: <2AB5807788D68C49BF0700BD0A9D5D6D03FFD96D@mail03.gcc.gov> References: <001b01c9f26e$f2fd4a20$d8f7de60$@net> <2AB5807788D68C49BF0700BD0A9D5D6D03FFD96D@mail03.gcc.gov> Message-ID: <26982a580906231425v39bb353fu9626dc296a416130@mail.gmail.com> Air classification will not give a perfect separation. Also putting grass in water is not a big problem. The separator that I have also incorporates a rotary sieve that screens out very small fibers. Paul On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:39 PM, O'Hern, Kathy wrote: > Ron, > We have had good luck removing glass from our MSW compost using a > Forsbergs DeStoner. It's an air classification system. > http://www.forsbergs.com/ > Kathy O'Hern > West Yellowstone Compost Facility > > -----Original Message----- > From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com > [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of > alexassoc at earthlink.net > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:51 AM > To: 'Compost Discussion List' > Subject: [USCC] Glasss removal > > Hello Compost World, > > Has anyone had any success with screening or related technologies for > removing glass from compost? > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > > > Ron Alexander > R. Alexander Associates, Inc. > 1212 Eastham Drive > Apex, NC 27502 > USA > 919-367-8350 > 919-367-8351 fax > alexassoc at earthlink.net > www.alexassoc.net > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade > Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, > & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of > Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility > Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek > Composting Facility. 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The Most Comprehensive Program of Training > Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" > Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > From rodmuir at sympatico.ca Fri Jun 26 08:35:54 2009 From: rodmuir at sympatico.ca (Rod Muir) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:35:54 -0400 Subject: [USCC] % who backyard compost Message-ID: I was wondering whether anyone had an approximate idea of the % of U.S. households who (fairly regularly) backyard compost. Thanks Rod Muir Waste Diversion Campaigner The Sierra Club of Canada From hlandgoatman at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 14:42:46 2009 From: hlandgoatman at gmail.com (Brent A) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:42:46 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Composting Carcasses in Windrows Message-ID: I have been placed in the position of composter at a large dairy farm. I have the manure and waste feed composting fine in large windrows. I have been trying this with our dead cows, and I am having problems. Does anyone have any experience with this, or could point me in the right direction? -- Peace, Brent Amenell Assistant Environmental Technician Heartland Dairy brent.amenell at hlcommunity.org From kpowell at kdheks.gov Mon Jun 29 14:12:17 2009 From: kpowell at kdheks.gov (Ken Powell) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:12:17 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Composting Carcasses in Windrows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EBB566B08AAE84F979D5E093B69705004DE1A6F78@HEWXCCLU.kdhe.state.ks.us> Bret, Kansas has several operations that compost dead animals successfully. We expect more of the dairies to start as the SRM issue kicks in. It would take too long to type a full explanation, but you can contact me and I will be glad to share our experiences in the state. You might also want to contact some of the people at New Mexico State University because they have experience directly with dairy cattle composting. Ken Powell Environmental Scientist Kansas Department of Health & Environment 1000 SW Jackson, Suite 320 Topeka, KS? 66618 Phone? 785-296-1121? Fax? 785-296-1592 email? kpowell at kdheks.gov web? www.kdheks.gov/waste ? Please note my new e-mail address is kpowell at kdheks.gov -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Brent A Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:43 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Composting Carcasses in Windrows I have been placed in the position of composter at a large dairy farm. I have the manure and waste feed composting fine in large windrows. I have been trying this with our dead cows, and I am having problems. Does anyone have any experience with this, or could point me in the right direction? -- Peace, Brent Amenell Assistant Environmental Technician Heartland Dairy brent.amenell at hlcommunity.org _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 _____________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From pat at crowleyconsultants.com Mon Jun 29 15:12:30 2009 From: pat at crowleyconsultants.com (Patrick Crowley) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:12:30 -0600 Subject: [USCC] Composting Carcasses in Windrows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <75354720ED0C43B6A8B0FF73D7D0754F@Pats> There is a lot of information out there at this is becoming more and more common. Try Kansas State University, Cornell University, Ohio State University and Colorado State. All of their Ag Depts. have done research on this. KSU published a book about carcass management for the DHS in 2004. Cornell does things for NY State DOT for deer. There is a conference in Davis California July 21-23 on The 3rd International Symposium, Management of Animal Carcasses, Tissue, and Related Byproducts. I am presenting there on mostly road kill, but other facilities also. We are successfully composting Buffalo in Montana. In the arid West, moisture management is an issue. Water often needs to be added to the piles. The USCC is also having a session in Orlando in January at their annual meeting. Drop me a line if you want. Pat Crowley Crowley Consultants LLC 1935 Lucky Strike Road Helena, MT 59602 (406) 458-1935 phone and fax (406) 439-9231 cell pat at crowleyconsultants.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Brent A Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:43 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Composting Carcasses in Windrows I have been placed in the position of composter at a large dairy farm. I have the manure and waste feed composting fine in large windrows. I have been trying this with our dead cows, and I am having problems. Does anyone have any experience with this, or could point me in the right direction? -- Peace, Brent Amenell Assistant Environmental Technician Heartland Dairy brent.amenell at hlcommunity.org _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ _ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From hshields at worldpath.net Mon Jun 29 15:30:11 2009 From: hshields at worldpath.net (Helane Shields) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:30:11 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Composting Carcasses in Windrows Message-ID: This is to respond to Ken Powells post regarding composting animal carcasses and the "SRM issue".. SRM = 'specified risk materials' - the parts of the animals most likely to contain prion infected wastes: Many experts, including the US Environmental Protection Agency, say composting prion infected wastes is futile - the temperatures are not high enough, the prions survive, and landspreading this infected compost can put more animals at risk: EPA Region 8: "Common methods of waste treatment in sewage treatment plants, or publicly owned treatment works (POTWs), and septic systems, as well as landfilling and composting, are ineffective at completely inactivating TSE agents (Prusiner 1982; Bellinger-Kawahara et al. 1987; Manuelidis 1997; Taylor 2000; Taylor 2001). . ." National Renderers Assoc. response to USDA and APHIS, June 2005: "While finished compost can be spread on crop ground as fertilizer, if prions are present and the compost is used as fertilizer prions can re-enter the food chain through grazing plants and hay and straw obtained from those. Thus, composting should not be used to dispose of CWD deer and elk, sheep and goats with scrapie or cattle with BSE. Composting is especially unsuitable for specified risk materials, especially neural tissues (skull and spinal cord) encased in bones (ref.11). The indiscriminate use of composting and spreading its by-products on agricultural land is inconsistent with the FDA feed rule, would dilute its integrity and invalidate all existing BSE/TSE risk assessment models (ref.8). This is similar to what may have transpired with the CWD material, given the WIDNR disposal policy (refer to 2.3. Controlled Land Fill) was indeed implemented. " Dr. Paul Gale, UK, DEFRA, May 2002: " "BSE and scrapie prions and C. botulinum spores are excluded because for the purposes of risk assessment they are considered not to be affected by the temperatures achievable by composting and biogas processes." Iowa State: " Due to many unknown factors regarding the biodegradability of the prions that cause bovine spongiform encephalopathy (commonly called BSE or "mad cow" disease), composting should NOT be used for disposal of cattle suspected to have BSE." APHIS/USDA - Jan. 2005: Anaerobic digestion (of carcasses ). . . "it is necessary to use additional heat at the end of the process to fully inactivate pathogens. However, even with this, prions are not inactivated." US EPA: "Prions are extremely resistant to inactivation by ultraviolet light, irradiation, boiling, dry heat, formaline, freezing, drying and changes in pH. Methods for inactivating prions in infected tissues or wastes include incineration at very high temperatures and alkaline hydrolysis. " http://www.sludgevictims.com/pathogens/prions-composting.html Further, prions can survive for years in soils, and Dr. Joel Pedersen,et al, Wisconsin State, found that soil can increase the infectivity by a factor of 680. Helane Shields, Alton, NH From ConSulInc at aol.com Mon Jun 29 16:48:09 2009 From: ConSulInc at aol.com (ConSulInc@aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:48:09 EDT Subject: [USCC] Composting Carcasses in Windrows Message-ID: Go to University of Missouri/state of Missouri for publications on composting cattle, hogs, poultry. Jerry d'Aquin Con-Sul, Inc. In a message dated 6/29/2009 1:00:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, hlandgoatman at gmail.com writes: I have been placed in the position of composter at a large dairy farm. I have the manure and waste feed composting fine in large windrows. I have been trying this with our dead cows, and I am having problems. Does anyone have any experience with this, or could point me in the right direction? -- Peace, Brent Amenell Assistant Environmental Technician Heartland Dairy brent.amenell at hlcommunity.org _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ _ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823281x1201398699/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) From dan at intervalecompost.net Tue Jun 30 13:59:30 2009 From: dan at intervalecompost.net (Dan Goossen) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:59:30 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Late Blight and Compost Message-ID: <002c01c9f9b4$e7020ab0$b5062010$@net> Local media outlets in the northeast are warning of a late blight outbreak in the northeast US following the importation of infected plants from a southern US nursery this spring. Does anyone know of good sources of information on the effectiveness of compost tea in late blight suppression and/or if misguided concern over composting infected plants has affected composters in other regions where late blight is more common? Local news links: http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=10616475 , http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/85265/ Thanks, Dan Goossen Intervale Compost, Burlington, Vermont From heidehermary at pacificcoast.net Tue Jun 30 22:39:01 2009 From: heidehermary at pacificcoast.net (Heide Hermary) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:39:01 -0700 Subject: [USCC] Late Blight and Compost In-Reply-To: <002c01c9f9b4$e7020ab0$b5062010$@net> References: <002c01c9f9b4$e7020ab0$b5062010$@net> Message-ID: Last year I arrested the blight (early stages) with a spray of EM (effective microorganisms), sea minerals, fish hydrolysate and molasses One spray, and my plants regained health and remained healthy until the deer ate them a month or so later. Cheers, Heide Heide Hermary Gaia College http://www.gaiacollege.ca On 30-Jun-09, at 11:59 AM, Dan Goossen wrote: > Local media outlets in the northeast are warning of a late blight > outbreak > in the northeast US following the importation of infected plants > from a > southern US nursery this spring. Does anyone know of good sources of > information on the effectiveness of compost tea in late blight > suppression > and/or if misguided concern over composting infected plants has > affected > composters in other regions where late blight is more common? > > > > Local news links: http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=10616475 , > http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/85265/ > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan Goossen > > Intervale Compost, Burlington, Vermont > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & > Trade Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. > The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the > Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most > Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical > Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations > at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights > & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship > Opportunities available at the USCC website > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights > reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the > Foundation, or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its > website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have > their posting privileges suspended. 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