[USCC] Runoff Reduction

Sun Jan 25 18:21:12 CST 2009

I beleive this to be a permanent CN unless the compost blanket is not vegetated or organic matter is removed from the landscape.

I have presented this data to several Hydrologists at the USDA-NRCS who were part of a team to create CNs for various landscape surfaces and they were very accepting of the data. I have presented the methodology and findings at national conferences and trainings and would be happy to discuss with any interested parties.

These are a few of the refrences I have used to determine the CNs.

1.      Faucette, L. Britt, J. Governo, C.F. Jordan, B. G Lockaby, H. F. Carino, and R. Governo.  2007. Erosion control and storm water quality from straw with pam, mulch, and compost blankets of varying particle sizes. Journal of Soil and Water Conservation. 62:6: 404-413.

3.       Faucette B, C. Jordan, M. Risse, M. Cabrera, D. Coleman, L. West. 2005. Evaluation of Storm Water from Compost and Conventional Erosion Control Practices in Construction Activities.  Journal of Soil and Water Conservation. 60:6: 288-297.

1.      Faucette, Britt. 2008. Compost Blankets: The Newest Tool for Low Impact Development and Post-Construction Runoff Control. Stormwater: The Journal for Surface Water Quality Professionals. June, 2008. www.stormh2o.com/web-articles/erosion-compost-blanket.aspx

Persyn, R. T. Glanville, T. Richard, J. Laflen, and P. Dixon. 2004. Environmental effects to applying composted organics to new highway embankments, Part 1: Interrill runoff and erosion. Transactions of the American Society of Agricultural Engineers. 47:2: 463-469.

 Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED AP Director of Research & Technical Services Filtrexx International 551 East Lake Drive Decatur, GA 30030 ph: (678) 592 7094 www.filtrexx.com > To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> From: Rafael_Salazar at keppelseghers.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:53:39 -0500> Subject: [USCC] Runoff Reduction> > Sandy,> > I know what you are talking about. I am the person in charge of Marketing > the Dano Drum in the Americas. Also, I am a CPESC (Certified in > Professional and Erosion Control) and CFM (Certified Floatplane Manager).> > Let me give you some links. EPA and the Water Quality Department haven't > granted a special CN (Curve Number) to the Compost yet. This probably will > come from the USDA - NRCS, which are the ones that came with the TR-55 and > TR-20 software. USDA-NRCS is also the one from where we take the Curve > Numbers for either Agriculture or Urban Erosion. > > http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B1200.htm> > http://compost.tamu.edu/docs/pubs/ErosionControlRevegetation.pdf> > http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/Organics/Erosion/Workshops/2006BMPCT/Sacramento/Balzer.pdf> > > > Rafael Salazar> Product Engineer> Keppel Seghers Inc.> 1235-F Kennestone Circle> Marietta, GA 30066> Tel: 770.421.1181> Mobil: 678.707.1418> www.keppelseghersUSA.com> > > > compost-request at mailman.cloudnet.com > Sent by: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com> 01/22/2009 01:13 PM> Please respond to> compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> > > To> compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> cc> > Subject> Compost Digest, Vol 58, Issue 15> > > > > > > Send Compost mailing list submissions to> compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> compost-request at mailman.cloudnet.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> compost-owner at mailman.cloudnet.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Compost digest..."> > > ______________________________________________________________________> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.The > National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the > composting and organics recycling industry.> Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and > Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > ______________________________________________________________________________> Today's Topics:> > 1. runoff reduction (Sandy Syburg)> 2. Re: runoff reduction (Britt Faucette)> > ----- Message from "Sandy Syburg" <sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > on Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0600 -----> To:> <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>> Subject:> [USCC] runoff reduction> Are there any studies out there that prove there is a reduction in curve> number if a "green space" has a compost blanket rather than just mulch or> matting? If so what would that curve number be and also what kind of > credit> can you get for infiltration.> > > Sandy Syburg> > > > White Oak Farm Premium Organics> > W360 N8515 Brown Street> > Oconomowoc, WI 53066> > > > > > Voice 920-355-4042> > Fax 920-355-4043> > > > email sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > web site www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com> <http://www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com/> > > > > > > ----- Message from Britt Faucette <britt_faucette at hotmail.com> on Thu, 22 > Jan 2009 03:50:01 +0000 -----> To:> <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>> Subject:> Re: [USCC] runoff reduction> > > There are a few published studies on compost blankets that quantify their > effect on runoff volume (among other storm water characteristics). These > studies report rainfall and runoff amounts. If rainfall and runoff depth > are known, you can calculate the runoff curve number (CN) based on the > USDA-SCS TR55 methodology. Based on the values reported in these studies, > an average CN of 55 has been determined for hydrologic soil group B. This > CN is similar to a public green space, 75% brush covered area, and a > woodland according to CN book values provided by the USDA SCS TR55. > > I am not sure I understand your question about obtaining credit for > infiltration. Are you trying to calculate infiltration or rainfall > absorption of a compost blanket?Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED > AP Director of Research & Technical Services Filtrexx International 551 > East Lake Drive Decatur, GA 30030 ph: (678) 592 7094 www.filtrexx.com > > From: sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> To: > compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0600> > Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction> > Are there any studies out there that > prove there is a reduction in curve> number if a "green space" has a > compost blanket rather than just mulch or> matting? If so what would that > curve number be and also what kind of credit> can you get for > infiltration.> > > Sandy Syburg> > > > White Oak Farm Premium Organics> > > W360 N8515 Brown Street> > Oconomowoc, WI 53066> > > > > > Voice > 920-355-4042> > Fax 920-355-4043> > > > email > sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > web site > www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com> <http://www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com/> > > > > > _______________________________________> Join us as the US Composting > Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the > Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North > America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. 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