From hirschsys at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 12:49:33 2009
From: hirschsys at aol.com (hirschsys@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:49:33 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Fwd: Landfill
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To: hirschsys at aol.com
Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:14 am
Subject: Re: Landfill


Myron:

I was unable to post to the compost digest listserv for some reason, so I am sending this directly to you. ?Feel free to share it with others.....

We did a study here in New Hampshire of a small biosolids composting facility, comparing composting operations to potential landfill disposal of the wastewater solids. ?While such an analysis requires making some assumptions, we researched all aspects quite thoroughly and calculated greenhouse gas emissions from the different steps in each process via more than one equation and set of assumptions. ?While the final numbers we calculated include some uncertainty ? which is typical of all greenhouse gas emissions estimates - ?what was clear was that landfilling a highly putrescible material like biosolids will emit greater levels of greenhouse gas (measured as CO2 equivalent). ?This is the case even though, in the NH example, landfilling required less energy use (the compost facility is an IPS, enclosed facility, with active turning and aeration). ?You can download the report free at www.nebiosolids.org (see left side of page).

This is not an isolated finding. ?The Chicago Climate Exchange is finalizing a protocol for calculating greenhouse gas emissions avoided by not landfilling biosolids and other organics. ?This means that diversion from landfills will be given credits/offsets that ar
e worth money in carbon markets.

-- 
Ned Beecher
North East Biosolids and Residuals Association (NEBRA)
P. O. Box 422 / 85 Main Street
Tamworth, NH ?03886
Phone 603-323-7654
Fax 603-323-7666
www.nebiosolids.org

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:21:33 -0500
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Subject: [USCC] Landfill


For future discusions:

As active landfills put in gas collection systems they sometimes claim to now be a recycling option because they capture?some of the methane.? This has actually caused the closing of some good composting operations due to yard trimmings being diverted back into landfills.

Does someone have the?statistics on this subject?? Estimates of the carbon going into a landfill would be fairly?easy to calculate, the captured methane coming out is measureable.? An estimate of how long a landfill will continue to produce is? available so therefore an efficiency should?have been calculated.? I am sure it has , I just don't remember it.

Could someone from the compost?group help me on this.???

Thank you
Myron Hirschman
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From bfuchs at wlgore.com  Mon Jan  5 08:12:50 2009
From: bfuchs at wlgore.com (Brian E Fuchs)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:12:50 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Landfill
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Myron

Please see attached link. Region of Niagara, Ontario has a nice report on 
their website discussing the benefits of composting versus various 
landfilling options.

http://www.niagararegion.ca/news/2008/pdf/jan21Study.pdf

Brian Fuchs 

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----- Message from "Tamara Thomas" <tnthomas at terre-source.com> on Wed, 31 
Dec 2008 11:32:51 -0800 -----
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Subject:
Re: [USCC] Landfill
Myron,
                 I heard Dr. Sally Brown of the University of Washington 
speak to the landfill gas collection issue a year or so ago.  As I recall, 
the problem with claiming that landfill gas collection is a carbon neutral 
or positive technology has to do with the fact that the greatest 
percentage of methane is generated within the first year or two. Generally 
a landfill is not covered immediately, and it takes some time to fill, 
cover, and implement the landfill gas system.  During that initial time, 
according to Dr. Brown, most of the methane has been generated and lost. 
An abstract of "Is Converting Landfill Gas to Energy the Best Option?" by 
Janet Pelley, in Environ. Sci. Technol., quotes her as saying 
"...[methane] capture rates over a landfill?s lifetime can be as low as 
40?50%...".

                 I recommend contacting her and/or researching her 
publications on the issue.

Best wishes,

Tamara Thomas, P.E.
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-----Original Message-----
From: hirschsys at aol.com [mailto:hirschsys at aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 2:22 PM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: [USCC] Landfill


For future discusions:

As active landfills put in gas collection systems they sometimes claim to 
now be a recycling option because they capture?some of the methane.? This 
has actually caused the closing of some good composting operations due to 
yard trimmings being diverted back into landfills.

Does someone have the?statistics on this subject?? Estimates of the carbon 
going into a landfill would be fairly?easy to calculate, the captured 
methane coming out is measureable.? An estimate of how long a landfill 
will continue to produce is? available so therefore an efficiency 
should?have been calculated.? I am sure it has , I just don't remember it.

Could someone from the compost?group help me on this.???

Thank you
Myron Hirschman?





----- Message from "Donna Pascoe" <d.pascoe at sympatico.ca> on Wed, 31 Dec 
2008 23:13:13 +0000 -----
To:
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Subject:
Re: [USCC] Landfill
Hello Myron, There are digesters on the market and operational in Europe 
that semi-digest the waste material, remove the methane and put the 
semi-digested material out for final digestion into stable compost. The 
drawback of these units is their cost of around $ 20,000,000. and the 
undying dream of cheap places to hide waste.
My concern of adding anything to landfill is not a slight reduction in 
available material for composting but the increase in the volume of toxic 
leachates that run everyday, for who knows how long, from every landfill. 
Although our company has been very sucessful in treating this leachate it 
is 
an expensive and complex arrangement.
As many of us embraced composting as part of a wholelistic solution to no 
more landfills in the future, I think a few pennies of poor quality dirty 
methane will soon run its coarse in the history of dumb ideas.
Regards Peter Turrell
Director Millennium Institution
>From: hirschsys at aol.com
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>To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
>Subject: [USCC] Landfill
>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:21:33 -0500
>
>
>For future discusions:
>
>As active landfills put in gas collection systems they sometimes claim to 

>now be a recycling option because they capture?some of the methane.? This 

>has actually caused the closing of some good composting operations due to 

>yard trimmings being diverted back into landfills.
>
>Does someone have the?statistics on this subject?? Estimates of the 
carbon 
>going into a landfill would be fairly?easy to calculate, the captured 
>methane coming out is measureable.? An estimate of how long a landfill 
will 
>continue to produce is? available so therefore an efficiency should?have 
>been calculated.? I am sure it has , I just don't remember it.
>
>Could someone from the compost?group help me on this.???
>
>Thank you
>Myron Hirschman?
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----- Message from Edo McGowan <edo_mcgowan at hotmail.com> on Thu, 1 Jan 
2009 00:49:59 +0000 -----
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Re: [USCC] Free Web Seminar: Using Compost as a Stormwater Best Management 
Practice

One of the problems that may be encountered is the release of antibiotic 
resistant pathogens through this, especially if sewage sludge had been 
used as a feed stock. This also may accrue to kitchen scraps as most of 
the chicken delivered to large kitchens as well as some of the other meat 
animal scraps do contain impressive numbers of antibiotic resistant 
pathogens. These scraps go into a bucket, are kept at temperatures that 
encourage growth, so numbers can be impressive. There are enough peer 
reviewed papers in the literature base discussing the failure of certain 
composting processes to effectively eliminate pathogens or their genetic 
material to warrant further review. This would be a good review topic to 
send to the Cornell group for comment. I suspect that there may be 
problems based on my research and this should be verified to get some 
better answers.

Dr Edo McGowan

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:27:00 -0600
> From: wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us
> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
> Subject: [USCC] Free Web Seminar: Using Compost as a Stormwater  Best  
Management Practice
> 
> The webinar will be held on Thursday, Jan. 8 at the following time:
> Topic: Compost Based Stormwater Best Management Practices 
> Time: 10:00 am, Central Standard Time 
> 
> US EPA Region 5 invites you to participate in a webinar on the 
innovative aspects of using compost as a stormwater best management 
practice (BMP) on Jan. 8.  This webinar is focused on how stormwater 
managers can use compost blankets, berms, and filters as a tool to reduce 
stormwater runoff and improve soil quality
> 
> To participate in this webinar, you must register on-line at: 
https://srameeting.webex.com/srameeting/j.php?ED=95494307&RG=1&UID=0 
> 
> Once your request is approved, you will receive a confirmation email 
with instructions for joining the meeting. 
> 
> Speakers include the following:
> Amy J. Sausen, Environmental Project Coordinator, The Bruce Company of 
Wisconsin
> Dwayne Stenlund, Office of Environmental Services, Turf and Erosion 
Control Engineering Unit, Minnesota Department of Transportation
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Carter
> Water Quality Monitoring & Assessment    MC 165
> Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
> P.O. Box 13087
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> Phone:  512-239-6771
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----- Message from "David Goldstein" <David.Goldstein at ventura.org> on Wed, 
31 Dec 2008 16:54:50 -0800 -----
To:
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Subject:
Re: [USCC] Landfill
Matt,

I'm not defending the use of organics as alternative daily cover at 
landfills, but just to keep things clear, we should cover the 
counterpoints to some items discussed below.

1. Since many landfills close due to time (permit expiration and community 
opposition to renewal), rather than due to tonnage or volume, we can't 
always say it is a waste of space to use yard clippings as alternative 
daily cover.

2. Some in the landfill industry claim they are doing a better job of 
addressing climate change than the compost industry does. They may have a 
point when it comes to sequestering carbon from very woody waste, and some 
curbside yardwaste collection routes can be inefficient, but you have a 
good point (below) about five years of un-captured methane emissions from 
more nitrogen rich loads.

3. In some cases, prohibiting yard waste as alternative daily cover could 
result in importing dirt from off-site, which can cause more emissions.

Happy new year,

David Goldstein
Recycling Market Development Zone

>>> "Matthew Cotton" <matt at mattcotton.com> 12/31/2008 9:32 AM >>>
Myron -

Thanks for kicking off a great topic for (almost) 2009. The issue of 
"feedstock competition" is an important one. As you know, almost half 
of the states ban some form of yard trimmings from landfills. A few 
states are now considering similar bans on food scraps. As we all 
learn more about greenhouse gas and climate change, there is likely 
going to be an increase in the connection between putting organic 
materials in landfills and the methane that is created. Yes, some 
landfills have very sophisticated "landfill gas" collection systems. 
These systems can measure the amount of gas captured, but they don't 
measure the gas they don't capture. There are theoretical models 
which can both over and under estimate the amount of landfill gas 
that might be generated. As you can imagine, all sorts of variables 
contribute to this - waste composition, compaction and covering 
methods, climate, age of the landfill, and perhaps the most important 
one - when the gas system is installed and operating - many of these 
systems are not activated for up to 5 years after waste is placed, 
thus that food waste from your Holiday dinner may be covered and 
compacted and generating methane well before the gas collection 
system is turned on.

Sally Brown has made some initial conceptual estimates of this using 
the gas production numbers from anaerobic digestion studies, so that 
is a place to start if you want to generate some numbers. This is 
important for a few reasons - first we need to know a lot more about 
how organics behave in landfills and appreciate that every landfill 
is different. But perhaps more importantly if there are to ever be 
carbon credits for composting, we need to be able to accurately 
calculate the avoided methane emissions from not landfilling organics 
(not to mention the benefits of applying compost - something else Dr. 
Brown is working on).

The USCC's Legislative and Environmental Affairs Committee is 
actively engaged in these issues. There are two Fact Sheets on the 
USCC Website which provide some good background.

http://www.compostingcouncil.org/education/resources.php 

We are likely to see more efforts to overturn landfill bans in those 
states that have them and more efforts to get more organics back to 
landfills in those states that don't; most of this will be about 
alleged increases in landfill gas recovery. In addition to the 
problems listed above, the amount of electricity received from 
increasing organics in landfills is often grossly overstated. J.D. 
Lindeberg (Chair of the USCC's L&EA Committee) wrote an excellent 
critique of this in an effort to thwart efforts to overturn 
Michigan's landfill ban on organics.  This should also be on the USCC 
website.

The policy basis behind most of the state landfill bans on organics 
is as sound today as it was in the early 1990s - organics take up a 
lot of space in landfills. While a few people who should know better 
still labor under the misunderstanding that organics breakdown in 
landfills, we learn over and over again that this is overstated. A 
recent study by a landfill engineering company here in CA estimated 
that a particular county was spending $11 - $12 million a year in 
lost landfill space by using processed yard trimmings as landfill 
cover (A bizarre practice, which in CA is  equivalent to 
"recycling"). This was processed yard trimmings, with airspace 
savings calculated after compaction (so, fairly conservative). All of 
this was based on a relatively low tipping fee of $22/ton.

Given the current economic situation, I don't think any City or 
County can afford to be that wasteful.

Here's to a Happy New Year filled with composting opportunities!

See you in Houston.

Matthew Cotton
Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC
19375 Lake City Road
Nevada City, CA  95959
(530) 265-4560
Fax (530) 265-4547
matt at mattcotton.com 
www.mattcotton.com 




On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:21 PM, hirschsys at aol.com wrote:

>
> For future discusions:
>
> As active landfills put in gas collection systems they sometimes 
> claim to now be a recycling option because they capture?some of the 
> methane.? This has actually caused the closing of some good 
> composting operations due to yard trimmings being diverted back 
> into landfills.
>
> Does someone have the?statistics on this subject?? Estimates of the 
> carbon going into a landfill would be fairly?easy to calculate, the 
> captured methane coming out is measureable.? An estimate of how 
> long a landfill will continue to produce is? available so therefore 
> an efficiency should?have been calculated.? I am sure it has , I 
> just don't remember it.
>
> Could someone from the compost?group help me on this.???
>
> Thank you
> Myron Hirschman?

Matt,

I'm not defending the use of organics as alternative daily cover at 
landfills, but just to keep things clear, we should understand the 
counterpoints to some items discussed below.

1. Since many of our landfills close due to time (permit expiration and 
community opposition to renewal), rather than due to tonnage or volume, we 
can't always say it is a waste of space to use yard clippings as 
alternative daily cover.

2. Some in the landfill industry claim they are doing a better job of 
addressing climate change than the compost industry does. They may have a 
point when it comes to sequestering carbon from very woody waste, and some 
curbside yardwaste collection routes can be inefficient, but you have a 
good point (below) about five years of un-captured methane emissions from 
more nitrogen rich loads.

3. In some cases, prohibiting yard waste as alternative daily cover could 
result in importing dirt from off-site, which can cause more emissions.

D.G.

>>> "Matthew Cotton" <matt at mattcotton.com> 12/31/2008 9:32 AM >>>
Myron -

Thanks for kicking off a great topic for (almost) 2009. The issue of 
"feedstock competition" is an important one. As you know, almost half 
of the states ban some form of yard trimmings from landfills. A few 
states are now considering similar bans on food scraps. As we all 
learn more about greenhouse gas and climate change, there is likely 
going to be an increase in the connection between putting organic 
materials in landfills and the methane that is created. Yes, some 
landfills have very sophisticated "landfill gas" collection systems. 
These systems can measure the amount of gas captured, but they don't 
measure the gas they don't capture. There are theoretical models 
which can both over and under estimate the amount of landfill gas 
that might be generated. As you can imagine, all sorts of variables 
contribute to this - waste composition, compaction and covering 
methods, climate, age of the landfill, and perhaps the most important 
one - when the gas system is installed and operating - many of these 
systems are not activated for up to 5 years after waste is placed, 
thus that food waste from your Holiday dinner may be covered and 
compacted and generating methane well before the gas collection 
system is turned on.

Sally Brown has made some initial conceptual estimates of this using 
the gas production numbers from anaerobic digestion studies, so that 
is a place to start if you want to generate some numbers. This is 
important for a few reasons - first we need to know a lot more about 
how organics behave in landfills and appreciate that every landfill 
is different. But perhaps more importantly if there are to ever be 
carbon credits for composting, we need to be able to accurately 
calculate the avoided methane emissions from not landfilling organics 
(not to mention the benefits of applying compost - something else Dr. 
Brown is working on).

The USCC's Legislative and Environmental Affairs Committee is 
actively engaged in these issues. There are two Fact Sheets on the 
USCC Website which provide some good background.

http://www.compostingcouncil.org/education/resources.php 

We are likely to see more efforts to overturn landfill bans in those 
states that have them and more efforts to get more organics back to 
landfills in those states that don't; most of this will be about 
alleged increases in landfill gas recovery. In addition to the 
problems listed above, the amount of electricity received from 
increasing organics in landfills is often grossly overstated. J.D. 
Lindeberg (Chair of the USCC's L&EA Committee) wrote an excellent 
critique of this in an effort to thwart efforts to overturn 
Michigan's landfill ban on organics.  This should also be on the USCC 
website.

The policy basis behind most of the state landfill bans on organics 
is as sound today as it was in the early 1990s - organics take up a 
lot of space in landfills. While a few people who should know better 
still labor under the misunderstanding that organics breakdown in 
landfills, we learn over and over again that this is overstated. A 
recent study by a landfill engineering company here in CA estimated 
that a particular county was spending $11 - $12 million a year in 
lost landfill space by using processed yard trimmings as landfill 
cover (A bizarre practice, which in CA is  equivalent to 
"recycling"). This was processed yard trimmings, with airspace 
savings calculated after compaction (so, fairly conservative). All of 
this was based on a relatively low tipping fee of $22/ton.

Given the current economic situation, I don't think any City or 
County can afford to be that wasteful.

Here's to a Happy New Year filled with composting opportunities!

See you in Houston.

Matthew Cotton
Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC
19375 Lake City Road
Nevada City, CA  95959
(530) 265-4560
Fax (530) 265-4547
matt at mattcotton.com 
www.mattcotton.com 




On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:21 PM, hirschsys at aol.com wrote:

>
> For future discusions:
>
> As active landfills put in gas collection systems they sometimes 
> claim to now be a recycling option because they capture?some of the 
> methane.? This has actually caused the closing of some good 
> composting operations due to yard trimmings being diverted back 
> into landfills.
>
> Does someone have the?statistics on this subject?? Estimates of the 
> carbon going into a landfill would be fairly?easy to calculate, the 
> captured methane coming out is measureable.? An estimate of how 
> long a landfill will continue to produce is? available so therefore 
> an efficiency should?have been calculated.? I am sure it has , I 
> just don't remember it.
>
> Could someone from the compost?group help me on this.???
>
> Thank you
> Myron Hirschman?



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Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: 
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From rodmuir at sympatico.ca  Mon Jan  5 12:09:17 2009
From: rodmuir at sympatico.ca (Rod Muir)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:09:17 -0500
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>

Matt;
You mention in previous submission States who are considering foodscrap bans.
For benefit of those on the listserv
Could you plse list ones which you know of
And perhaps others could add to later.
Thanks
Rod Muir
Sierra Club - Canada.

 

From Morgan.Harriman at state.ma.us  Mon Jan  5 14:01:54 2009
From: Morgan.Harriman at state.ma.us (Harriman, Morgan (DEP))
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:01:54 -0500
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6BADD16F5CAEFB4AB973AC1F1DFA6C4A035B2978@ES-MSG-007.es.govt.state.ma.us>

Massachusetts! 


Ms. Morgan Harriman
Commercial Waste Reduction Planner
Massachusetts DEP
617-654-6580 ph
617-292-5778 fax


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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Rod Muir
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:09 PM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans

Matt;
You mention in previous submission States who are considering foodscrap
bans.
For benefit of those on the listserv
Could you plse list ones which you know of
And perhaps others could add to later.
Thanks
Rod Muir
Sierra Club - Canada.

 
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From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org  Mon Jan  5 14:15:55 2009
From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:15:55 -0500
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006401c96f72$6a982300$3fc86900$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>

I know Pennsylvania DEP is talking about this, though the gulf between
considering and enacting is wide indeed!
Cary
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Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans

Matt;
You mention in previous submission States who are considering foodscrap
bans.
For benefit of those on the listserv
Could you plse list ones which you know of
And perhaps others could add to later.
Thanks
Rod Muir
Sierra Club - Canada.

 
_______________________________________
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Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours &
"Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers.
Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information
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From KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us  Mon Jan  5 14:33:57 2009
From: KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us (KPowell@kdhe.state.ks.us)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:33:57 -0600
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OF66BF9F6E.B49C23ED-ON86257535.0070ECF8-86257535.0070F8F8@kdhe.state.ks.us>

Kansas is not as a state.  Some individual counties and landfills are.


Ken Powell
Environmental Scientist
SW Processing Facilities Unit
Kansas Department of Health & Environment
Bureau of Waste Management
1000 SW Jackson, Suite 320
Topeka, KS  66612-1366
Phone: (785) 296-1121
Fax: (785) 296-1592
E-mail  kpowell at kdhe.state.ks.us
www.kdheks.gov/waste

From matt at mattcotton.com  Mon Jan  5 14:41:46 2009
From: matt at mattcotton.com (Matthew Cotton)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:41:46 -0800
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <350F0637-7EA4-467C-820F-6A27EA1DB855@mattcotton.com>

Rod -

I believe Massachusetts has a landfill ban on food scraps in their  
Solid Waste Management Plan. I believe Vermont and New Jersey are  
also "considering". "Considering" is a mushy word, but New Jersey   
mentions food scraps repeatedly in their latest Solid Waste Plan -  
remember it was primarily the northeastern states which led the drive  
for landfill bans on yard trimmings (about half the US states  
currently have something along these lines, but the specific language  
and efficiency vary).

There is a lot of discussion in CA, but there is nothing on the  
books, though I think its fair to say it's being "considered" (CA  
already has a 50 percent landfill diversion mandate, which is likely  
to increase and the CIWMB's Strategic Directive 6.1 seeks to "reduce  
the amount of organics in the waste stream by 50 percent by 2020" -  
and this is after arguably aggressive recycling and composting  
programs - of the top ten things still in the CA waste stream 7 are  
"organic" and the number 1 item is food scraps.

I'm sure there are others monitoring this list serve that can provide  
more detail on specific initiatives. I'm sure there are other states  
which are realizing that food scraps really don't belong in landfills  
and that there are a number of ways to recover the energy and  
nutrients embedded there.

Matthew Cotton
Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC
19375 Lake City Road
Nevada City, CA  95959
(530) 265-4560
Fax (530) 265-4547
matt at mattcotton.com
www.mattcotton.com




On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Rod Muir wrote:

> Matt;
> You mention in previous submission States who are considering  
> foodscrap bans.
> For benefit of those on the listserv
> Could you plse list ones which you know of
> And perhaps others could add to later.
> Thanks
> Rod Muir
> Sierra Club - Canada.
>
>
> _______________________________________
> Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference &  
> Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston,  
> TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the  
> Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most  
> Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational &  
> Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment  
> Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers.
> Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor  
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From cscoker at verizon.net  Tue Jan  6 09:29:20 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:29:20 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Food and yard waste co-composting BMPs
Message-ID: <92DDB58B80CF43CDB3B941B689E8FE70@LAPTOP>

Colleagues:

 

As part of a grant-funded project for EPA Region 3, the USCC has been asked
to prepare a Best Management Practices guidance document on how yard waste
composting facilities should handle and compost source-separated pre- and
post-consumer food scraps.  While the document will be (initially) focused
on the 480 yard waste composting operations in Pennsylvania, it will
obviously have broader applicability.

 

I ask for your advice as to what BMP documents on food waste composting you
might be aware of, and also for any good-quality digital pictures that can
be used to illustrate the document.  If available BMP documents are not in
the public domain, please let us know to whom copyright credit should be
given.  The types of pictures we are looking for would show yard waste
composting facilities (either public or private) that are accepting food
scraps. Pictures could include: waste unloading, windrow formation, windrow
mixing, covering windrows with fabric/compost/wood chips to minimize vector
attraction, etc.  If you provide pictures, please let us know who credit
should be given to.

 

Thanks, in advance, for any assistance you can provide.  If you have
questions, please contact either me or Cary Oshins, Assistant Director of
Programs

US Composting Council, 1010 North 13th St., Allentown, PA 18102, phone:
484-547-1521, fax: 484-274-6779, cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org

 

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any
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From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us  Thu Jan  8 15:53:37 2009
From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:53:37 -0600
Subject: [USCC] Webcast: Compost Based Stormwater Best Management Practices
Message-ID: <49662181.FFDC.0044.0@tceq.state.tx.us>

A recording of this web seminar is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the
link below to play it:

https://srameeting.webex.com/srameeting/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=MC&rID=35731507&rKey=C3240B980D49EBF9 

The link is good for 30 days. 

In the next week or two EPA Region 5 expects to have the slide
presentations available for individual download from an EPA website.

Compost Based Stormwater Best Management Practices-20090108 1550
Thursday, January 8, 2009 10:50 am New York (Eastern Time, GMT-05:00)
1 Hour 43 Minutes

* You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the
recording. *

P   Please consider whether it is necessary to print this e-mail
Bill Carter
Nonpoint Source Team    MC 165
Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
P.O. Box 13087
Austin, TX  78711-3087
Phone:  512-239-6771
Fax:  512-239-4410
wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us

From alexassoc at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 11 13:29:41 2009
From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (Ron  Alexander)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:29:41 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Irrigation / Water Savings with Compost
Message-ID: <000601c97422$f38660f0$da9322d0$@net>

Hello Compost World,

Does anybody out there have any good references for research papers
pertaining to water savings with compost use?
Thanks,

Ron  

 

 

Ron Alexander

R. Alexander Associates, Inc.

1212 Eastham Drive

Apex, North Carolina 27502   - USA

919-367-8350 - office telephone

919-367-8351 - fax

919-349-0460 - mobile telephone

alexassoc at earthlink.net

www.alexassoc.net 

 


From John.Kelly at casella.com  Mon Jan 12 12:28:57 2009
From: John.Kelly at casella.com (John P Kelly)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:28:57 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
Message-ID: <OF283DA578.9927C86B-ON8525753C.006413C6-8525753C.0065873D@casella.com>




Does anyone have a definition of the term "wet ton" that would support the
standard practice and use of the term to mean "as is, as received"?

Thank you.

John Kelly
New England Organics
Director of Product Sales
135 Presumpscot Street, Unit 1
Portland, ME  04103
1-877-4-COMPOST
207-347-3605
207-781-5794 fax
207-650-5010 cell
www.earthlifegrows.com

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From bmathews at stopwaste.org  Mon Jan 12 12:50:32 2009
From: bmathews at stopwaste.org (Brian Mathews)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:50:32 -0800
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
In-Reply-To: <OF283DA578.9927C86B-ON8525753C.006413C6-8525753C.0065873D@casella.com>
References: <OF283DA578.9927C86B-ON8525753C.006413C6-8525753C.0065873D@casella.com>
Message-ID: <48C7D72C7FC3D64FAE124E05F20938815D165CF83D@SWEXCH01.stopwaste.org>


Typically a wet ton implies moisture is present or as is.  The bone dry ton came into practice to discount the value of the material being delivered to represent the commodity being purchased.  For example, recycled paper is purchased by the ton. To increase the weight it has been know to occur that a less than scrupulous collector would add water to increase the weight.  It is also often seen in the wood waste industry which discounts the weight of recycled wood delivered for moisture content which must be "burned off".

For a "standard" definition Wikipedia offers as good a definition as any. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiloton. 

Brian Mathews
Senior Program Manager
510-891-6518

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Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:29 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"




Does anyone have a definition of the term "wet ton" that would support the
standard practice and use of the term to mean "as is, as received"?

Thank you.

John Kelly
New England Organics
Director of Product Sales
135 Presumpscot Street, Unit 1
Portland, ME  04103
1-877-4-COMPOST
207-347-3605
207-781-5794 fax
207-650-5010 cell
www.earthlifegrows.com


From pj.binder at verizon.net  Mon Jan 12 13:24:37 2009
From: pj.binder at verizon.net (PJ Binder)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:24:37 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
In-Reply-To: <OF283DA578.9927C86B-ON8525753C.006413C6-8525753C.0065873D@casella.com>
Message-ID: <000001c974eb$6998d4d0$0301a8c0@Cedar>

WELL I always thought it was a ton.. and being wet its less volume then a
dry ton?

PJ Binder Landscaping
po box 454
Broomall, PA 19008
pj.binder at verizon.net


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From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
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Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:29 PM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"




Does anyone have a definition of the term "wet ton" that would support the
standard practice and use of the term to mean "as is, as received"?

Thank you.

John Kelly
New England Organics
Director of Product Sales
135 Presumpscot Street, Unit 1
Portland, ME  04103
1-877-4-COMPOST
207-347-3605
207-781-5794 fax
207-650-5010 cell
www.earthlifegrows.com



From bmathews at stopwaste.org  Mon Jan 12 13:02:15 2009
From: bmathews at stopwaste.org (Brian Mathews)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:02:15 -0800
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48C7D72C7FC3D64FAE124E05F20938815D165CF845@SWEXCH01.stopwaste.org>

Rod,

Alameda County is taking the first step with a landfill ban of plant debris.  The following link will take you to the December '08 agenda which contains the staff Report and ordinance.  http://www.stopwaste.org/docs/12-17-08pkt.pdf. 

We will have the second reading of the ordinance at the January Meeting.

Brian Mathews
Senior Program Manager
510-891-6518

-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Rod Muir
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:09 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans

Matt;
You mention in previous submission States who are considering foodscrap bans.
For benefit of those on the listserv
Could you plse list ones which you know of
And perhaps others could add to later.
Thanks
Rod Muir
Sierra Club - Canada.

 
_______________________________________
Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers.
Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931
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From susan.darleyhill at WLSSD.Duluth.MN.US  Mon Jan 12 14:27:02 2009
From: susan.darleyhill at WLSSD.Duluth.MN.US (Susan DarleyHill)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:27:02 -0600
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans
In-Reply-To: <48C7D72C7FC3D64FAE124E05F20938815D165CF845@SWEXCH01.stopwaste.org>
References: <BLU0-SMTP4106D8ED6C88307400E1C5CBE10@phx.gbl>
	<48C7D72C7FC3D64FAE124E05F20938815D165CF845@SWEXCH01.stopwaste.org>
Message-ID: <E31AC7DA98D7DE4E92F79C6637ECA37C01A37D01@w2s0911309.wlssd.net>

The Western Lake Superior Sanitary District established a food waste
recovery ordinance in 2006 that targets significant generators of food
residuals, requiring them to source separate and divert pre-consumer
food waste to beneficial reuse (banned from landfilling.) Yard debris is
already banned from landfills in the state of Minnesota; WLSSD's
ordinance targets some- but not all - of the organic residuals generated
within the district in northeastern Minnesota.
Here is the link to the Solid Waste Ordinance - see Section 4.10 on
Organic Waste Recovery:
http://www.wlssd.duluth.mn.us/uploads/2006_WLSSD_Solid_Waste_Ordinance_F
inal_download.pdf 

Susan Darley-Hill
Western Lake Superior Sanitary District
Duluth, MN


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Brian Mathews
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:02 PM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans

Rod,

Alameda County is taking the first step with a landfill ban of plant
debris.  The following link will take you to the December '08 agenda
which contains the staff Report and ordinance.
http://www.stopwaste.org/docs/12-17-08pkt.pdf. 

We will have the second reading of the ordinance at the January Meeting.

Brian Mathews
Senior Program Manager
510-891-6518

-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Rod Muir
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:09 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: [USCC] States considering foodscrap bans

Matt;
You mention in previous submission States who are considering foodscrap
bans.
For benefit of those on the listserv
Could you plse list ones which you know of And perhaps others could add
to later.
Thanks
Rod Muir
Sierra Club - Canada.

 
_______________________________________
Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade
Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The
Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting,
Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive
Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical
Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from
20+ Manufacturers.
Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor
Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website.
www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931
________________________________________________________________________
_____
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From david_schellinger at bresnan.net  Mon Jan 12 09:20:11 2009
From: david_schellinger at bresnan.net (David Schellinger)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:20:11 -0800
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
In-Reply-To: <OF283DA578.9927C86B-ON8525753C.006413C6-8525753C.0065873D@casella.com>
References: <OF283DA578.9927C86B-ON8525753C.006413C6-8525753C.0065873D@casella.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c974c9$42d873e0$c820af48@david70b003805>

John,
Wet tons can't be defined since moisture is a highly variable property of
finished compost.  The term "as received" denotes a consumer perspective
that the materials will be sold and received "as is".  If you want to define
a wet ton of compost, it would have to be a ton of compost and ambient
moisture.   

Dave Schellinger
Home: (307) 655-5818
Cell:  (307) 752-3258

-----Original Message-----
From: John P Kelly [mailto:John.Kelly at casella.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:29 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"




Does anyone have a definition of the term "wet ton" that would support the
standard practice and use of the term to mean "as is, as received"?

Thank you.

John Kelly
New England Organics
Director of Product Sales
135 Presumpscot Street, Unit 1
Portland, ME  04103
1-877-4-COMPOST
207-347-3605
207-781-5794 fax
207-650-5010 cell
www.earthlifegrows.com



From epsteinee at comcast.net  Mon Jan 12 20:20:17 2009
From: epsteinee at comcast.net (epsteinee@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:20:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
In-Reply-To: <000001c974eb$6998d4d0$0301a8c0@Cedar>
Message-ID: <1683596805.1428891231813217784.JavaMail.root@sz0060a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



A wet ton is a ton as that is it contains both the dry mater and water.? A dry ton expresses only the dry matter. Since moisture changes whenever making calculations i.e. materials balance we base things on a dry ton. This provides uniformity and consistency. 


Eliot Epstein 
9071 Fairbanks Lane #1 
Boca Raton , FL 33496 

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WELL I always thought it was a ton.. and being wet its less volume then a 
dry ton? 

PJ Binder Landscaping 
po box 454 
Broomall , PA 19008 
pj .binder@ verizon .net 


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Does anyone have a definition of the term "wet ton" that would support the 
standard practice and use of the term to mean "as is, as received"? 

Thank you. 

John Kelly 
New England Organics 
Director of Product Sales 
135 Presumpscot Street, Unit 1 
Portland, ME ?04103 
1-877-4-COMPOST 
207-347-3605 
207-781-5794 fax 
207-650-5010 cell 
www . earthlifegrows .com 


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From Gretchen.Wheat at Wisconsin.gov  Tue Jan 13 13:18:53 2009
From: Gretchen.Wheat at Wisconsin.gov (Wheat, Gretchen S - DNR)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:18:53 -0600
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
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	<1683596805.1428891231813217784.JavaMail.root@sz0060a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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Compost may be sold "as is", but consumers want to know what that is. I would think a producer could guarantee a percent moisture content range (or maybe the range of % compost solids). Consumers should not be charged for excess water weight in the product.

As Mr. Epstein points out, certain calculations need to be based on dry material. Of course, there is a laboratory analysis method for drying, which is very dry.

Gretchen Wheat, P.E.
Water Resources Engineer, Runoff Management Section
Bureau of Watershed Management, Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
phone:  (608) 264-6273; fax:  (608) 267-7664; e-mail:  gretchen.wheat at wisconsin.gov
mailing address:  Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, Box 7921, Madison, WI  53707-7921  Attention: Gretchen Wheat - WT/3

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A wet ton is a ton as that is it contains both the dry mater and water.  A dry ton expresses only the dry matter. Since moisture changes whenever making calculations i.e. materials balance we base things on a dry ton. This provides uniformity and consistency.


Eliot Epstein
9071 Fairbanks Lane #1
Boca Raton , FL 33496

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WELL I always thought it was a ton.. and being wet its less volume then a dry ton?

PJ Binder Landscaping
po box 454
Broomall , PA 19008
pj .binder@ verizon .net


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Subject: [ USCC ] Definition of "wet ton"




Does anyone have a definition of the term "wet ton" that would support the standard practice and use of the term to mean "as is, as received"?

Thank you.

John Kelly
New England Organics
Director of Product Sales
135 Presumpscot Street, Unit 1
Portland, ME  04103
1-877-4-COMPOST
207-347-3605
207-781-5794 fax
207-650-5010 cell
www . earthlifegrows .com


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From LewisDV at mda.state.md.us  Tue Jan 13 13:34:29 2009
From: LewisDV at mda.state.md.us (Donald Lewis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:34:29 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
In-Reply-To: <000e01c974c9$42d873e0$c820af48@david70b003805>
References: <OF283DA578.9927C86B-ON8525753C.006413C6-8525753C.0065873D@casella.com>
	<000e01c974c9$42d873e0$c820af48@david70b003805>
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Group,
 
Speaking as both a regulator and a chemist, I may have some clarification to add to the discussion. Colloquially, a "Wet Ton" usually means 2000 lbs of a mixture of dry matter and a variable quantity of water. This, then, is roughly equivalent to a ton of material "As is". The problem, of course, as noted by members of this group is that if you take some amount of material and add water from a hose, you are effectively selling the water at a cost representative of the value of the dry matter included. For limestone, this can mean selling the water (which is normally available for a few cents per gallon) for 2-3 hundred dollars. When chemists analyze material, they normally base their reports on the amount of dry matter in the material unless the amount of moisture is very stable. Similarly, most weights and measures regulators cast a very critical eye on "As is" sales. 
 
Don Lewis
Compost Coordinator
State Chemist Section
Maryland Department of Agriculture
50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 21401

>>> "David Schellinger" <david_schellinger at bresnan.net> 1/12/2009 10:20 AM >>>
John,
Wet tons can't be defined since moisture is a highly variable property of
finished compost.  The term "as received" denotes a consumer perspective
that the materials will be sold and received "as is".  If you want to define
a wet ton of compost, it would have to be a ton of compost and ambient
moisture.   

Dave Schellinger
Home: (307) 655-5818
Cell:  (307) 752-3258

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From: John P Kelly [mailto:John.Kelly at casella.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:29 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com 
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"




Does anyone have a definition of the term "wet ton" that would support the
standard practice and use of the term to mean "as is, as received"?

Thank you.

John Kelly
New England Organics
Director of Product Sales
135 Presumpscot Street, Unit 1
Portland, ME  04103
1-877-4-COMPOST
207-347-3605
207-781-5794 fax
207-650-5010 cell
www.earthlifegrows.com 


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From pat at crowleyconsultants.com  Tue Jan 13 11:43:22 2009
From: pat at crowleyconsultants.com (Patrick Crowley)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:43:22 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
In-Reply-To: <OF283DA578.9927C86B-ON8525753C.006413C6-8525753C.0065873D@casella.com>
Message-ID: <740F210F777640EF9D04D57A7BC3A0A6@Pats>

"Wet ton" does equal "as is, as received." when speaking of feedstock
material.  Materials come in the front gate "wet", but all of the composting
calculations have to be done on a dry weight basis.  %C, %N, are all
determined on a "dry weight" basis.  Just look at the calculation
spreadsheets in common use today.  

There are only four critical elements in composting: water, oxygen, carbon,
and nitrogen.  All have to be in balance for the process to work well.

In addition, many sales contracts are on a "dry weight" basis, or have a
maximum water content specified, because purchasers are not going to pay for
excess water if they are buying by the ton.  

Pat Crowley
Crowley Consultants LLC
1935 Lucky Strike Road
Helena, MT 59602
(406) 458-1935 phone and fax
(406) 439-9231 cell
pat at crowleyconsultants.com

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Does anyone have a definition of the term "wet ton" that would support the
standard practice and use of the term to mean "as is, as received"?

Thank you.

John Kelly
New England Organics
Director of Product Sales
135 Presumpscot Street, Unit 1
Portland, ME  04103
1-877-4-COMPOST
207-347-3605
207-781-5794 fax
207-650-5010 cell
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From maureen.reilly at sympatico.ca  Mon Jan 12 12:46:35 2009
From: maureen.reilly at sympatico.ca (Maureen Reilly)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:46:35 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
In-Reply-To: <OF283DA578.9927C86B-ON8525753C.006413C6-8525753C.0065873D@casella.com>
Message-ID: <BAY134-F408E9672D53395BE3C571BFDD80@phx.gbl>

>From Wikipedia:

A dry ton or dry tonne has the same mass value, but the material (sludge, 
slurries, compost, and similar mixtures in which solid material is soaked 
with or suspended in water) has been dried to a relatively low, consistent 
moisture level (dry weight). If the material is in its natural, wet state, 
it is called a wet ton or wet tonne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ton

Maureen Reilly
Sludge Watch


>From: John P Kelly <John.Kelly at casella.com>
>Reply-To: Compost Discussion List <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
>To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
>Subject: [USCC] Definition of "wet ton"
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:28:57 -0500
>
>
>
>
>Does anyone have a definition of the term "wet ton" that would support the
>standard practice and use of the term to mean "as is, as received"?
>
>Thank you.
>
>John Kelly
>New England Organics
>Director of Product Sales
>135 Presumpscot Street, Unit 1
>Portland, ME  04103
>1-877-4-COMPOST
>207-347-3605
>207-781-5794 fax
>207-650-5010 cell
>www.earthlifegrows.com
>
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>Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & 
>Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training 
>Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & 
>"Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers.
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From dieter at transformcompost.com  Mon Jan 12 12:24:32 2009
From: dieter at transformcompost.com (Dieter Geesing)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:24:32 -0800
Subject: [USCC] compost facility operator course in February
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There will be a training course for compost facility operators
in Abbotsford, BC, held from February 4 to 6.

The three-day course provides the essential knowledge of 
all topics related to large-scale composting of organic material.
 
The course should be attended by composting facility operators 
and managers, consultants, suppliers of compost equipment 
and public officials involved in organic waste management.

Experienced and highly qualified instructors present the course, 
and its completion should prepare for the Level 1 exam of 
the Composting Council of Canada's 
Composting Facility Operator Certification Program.

For more information, please visit
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From cscoker at verizon.net  Wed Jan 14 05:25:37 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:25:37 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Used turner available?
Message-ID: <EBD43738EC5B44DEB314D149935D63DE@LAPTOP>

Colleagues:

 

One of my clients is in the market for a good-quality, low-hour,
previously-owned straddle windrow turner.  Something capable of turning
approx. 7' x 14' or 8' x 16' windrows.  If anyone knows of a potentially
suitable machine, I'd appreciate an email or phone call.

 

Thanks!

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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From cscoker at verizon.net  Wed Jan 14 06:13:28 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:13:28 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting operations
Message-ID: <7B50B7E5E4F940D5A1D09A0C7E353BB2@LAPTOP>

Colleagues:

 

As I noted in an earlier posting, the USCC is working with EPA Region 3 to
develop a Best Management Practices (BMP) manual for incorporating food
wastes into yard waste composting facilities.  To that end, I am looking for
referrals to very well-run facilities (primarily public-sector) that handle
both feedstocks, so that aspects of their operational practices can be
incorporated into this guidance document and, perhaps, illustrated with
photographs of applicable operational practices.

 

To those of you who responded to my earlier posting on this topic, my
heartfelt thanks!

 

Cheers,

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

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From KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us  Tue Jan 13 15:39:21 2009
From: KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us (KPowell@kdhe.state.ks.us)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:39:21 -0600
Subject: [USCC] Article in MSW Management Magazine
Message-ID: <OF6F337E4C.8C07DAF8-ON8625753D.0076D7EA-8625753D.0076F5AF@kdhe.state.ks.us>


This article almost looks like Matt Cotton wrote it and gave the byline to
someone else.  Very good quotes Matt.

http://www.mswmanagement.com/january-february-2009/landfill-odor-control.aspx


Ken Powell
Environmental Scientist
SW Processing Facilities Unit
Kansas Department of Health & Environment
Bureau of Waste Management
1000 SW Jackson, Suite 320
Topeka, KS  66612-1366
Phone: (785) 296-1121
Fax: (785) 296-1592
E-mail  kpowell at kdhe.state.ks.us
www.kdheks.gov/waste

From James.Short at state.de.us  Wed Jan 14 09:53:07 2009
From: James.Short at state.de.us (Short James (DNREC))
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:53:07 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting operations
In-Reply-To: <7B50B7E5E4F940D5A1D09A0C7E353BB2@LAPTOP>
References: <7B50B7E5E4F940D5A1D09A0C7E353BB2@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <34AA70D73AC337439C37D0B0852623FD03CC8D0C3E@DTIE2K7CLS04.state.de.us>

Craig,

I'm sure by now you've heard of Ned Foley and Two Particular Acres in PA.  Incase you haven't here's his contact info http://www.twoparticularacres.com/
  
Jim.

James D. Short
Environmental Scientist IV
Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch
Phone: 302-739-9403
Fax: 302-739-5060
Email : james.short at state.de.us

Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:13 AM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting operations

Colleagues:

 

As I noted in an earlier posting, the USCC is working with EPA Region 3 to
develop a Best Management Practices (BMP) manual for incorporating food
wastes into yard waste composting facilities.  To that end, I am looking for
referrals to very well-run facilities (primarily public-sector) that handle
both feedstocks, so that aspects of their operational practices can be
incorporated into this guidance document and, perhaps, illustrated with
photographs of applicable operational practices.

 

To those of you who responded to my earlier posting on this topic, my
heartfelt thanks!

 

Cheers,

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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From jmrivin at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 10:54:55 2009
From: jmrivin at gmail.com (jonathan rivin)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:54:55 -0800
Subject: [USCC] reference for water savings with compost
Message-ID: <e4dbb7d20901140854p1b6a2a2crea5d51c2c3903070@mail.gmail.com>

Ron

Check this Biocycle reference: Friend, D., 45 (12):33-35 (2004).

Jonathan Rivin
JmR Composting & Consulting
jmrcomposting.com
206-417-3872





> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Irrigation / Water Savings with Compost (Ron  Alexander)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Ron Alexander" <alexassoc at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Compost Discussion List'" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:29:41 -0500
> Subject: [USCC] Irrigation / Water Savings with Compost
> Hello Compost World,
>
> Does anybody out there have any good references for research papers
> pertaining to water savings with compost use?
> Thanks,
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> Ron Alexander
>
> R. Alexander Associates, Inc.
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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From fwang at norcalwaste.com  Thu Jan 15 14:25:02 2009
From: fwang at norcalwaste.com (Fengyu Wang)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:25:02 -0800
Subject: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting operations
References: <7B50B7E5E4F940D5A1D09A0C7E353BB2@LAPTOP>
	<34AA70D73AC337439C37D0B0852623FD03CC8D0C3E@DTIE2K7CLS04.state.de.us>
Message-ID: <AA60A305B888AC4CA54CD18AB5085D190B026EF5@exch-int02.norcalwaste.com>

Here is another one:
http://www.jepsonprairieorganics.com/compostprocess.htm

Best regards,

Fengyu Wang
Jepson Pairie Organics, Inc.
6426 Hay Road
Vacaville, CA 95687
Phone: (707)687-4718 ext.26
Fax: (707)768-5695
Email: fwang at norcalwaste.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Short James (DNREC) [mailto:James.Short at state.de.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:53 AM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting
operations

Craig,

I'm sure by now you've heard of Ned Foley and Two Particular Acres in
PA.  Incase you haven't here's his contact info
http://www.twoparticularacres.com/
  
Jim.

James D. Short
Environmental Scientist IV
Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch
Phone: 302-739-9403
Fax: 302-739-5060
Email : james.short at state.de.us

Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:13 AM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting operations

Colleagues:

 

As I noted in an earlier posting, the USCC is working with EPA Region 3
to develop a Best Management Practices (BMP) manual for incorporating
food wastes into yard waste composting facilities.  To that end, I am
looking for referrals to very well-run facilities (primarily
public-sector) that handle both feedstocks, so that aspects of their
operational practices can be incorporated into this guidance document
and, perhaps, illustrated with photographs of applicable operational
practices.

 

To those of you who responded to my earlier posting on this topic, my
heartfelt thanks!

 

Cheers,

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical
Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from
20+ Manufacturers.
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From SBush at rwbeck.com  Thu Jan 15 14:51:47 2009
From: SBush at rwbeck.com (Bush, Susan H.)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:51:47 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting operations
In-Reply-To: <AA60A305B888AC4CA54CD18AB5085D190B026EF5@exch-int02.norcalwaste.com>
References: <7B50B7E5E4F940D5A1D09A0C7E353BB2@LAPTOP><34AA70D73AC337439C37D0B0852623FD03CC8D0C3E@DTIE2K7CLS04.state.de.us>
	<AA60A305B888AC4CA54CD18AB5085D190B026EF5@exch-int02.norcalwaste.com>
Message-ID: <74ED874A7406F040BA7C874C9E7400CB0432F3D4@Bosmail.rwbeck.net>

 
Also Penn State has a good composting program (at least I think it's
still in operation). They compost animal bedding, food waste, leaves,
and paper residue.  Here is the contact info I have:
Penn State University 
State College, PA 16801  
Centre County 
Nadine Davitt 
814-865-6606 

Adams County, PA is permitted to accept food waste, though I don't know
how much of that they are doing.

Adams County Agricutural & Natural Resources Center 
670 Old Harrisburg Road
Gettysburg, PA 17325  
(717) 334-6271


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Fengyu Wang
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:25 PM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting
operations

Here is another one:
http://www.jepsonprairieorganics.com/compostprocess.htm

Best regards,

Fengyu Wang
Jepson Pairie Organics, Inc.
6426 Hay Road
Vacaville, CA 95687
Phone: (707)687-4718 ext.26
Fax: (707)768-5695
Email: fwang at norcalwaste.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Short James (DNREC) [mailto:James.Short at state.de.us]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:53 AM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting
operations

Craig,

I'm sure by now you've heard of Ned Foley and Two Particular Acres in
PA.  Incase you haven't here's his contact info
http://www.twoparticularacres.com/
  
Jim.

James D. Short
Environmental Scientist IV
Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch
Phone: 302-739-9403
Fax: 302-739-5060
Email : james.short at state.de.us

Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:13 AM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting operations

Colleagues:

 

As I noted in an earlier posting, the USCC is working with EPA Region 3
to develop a Best Management Practices (BMP) manual for incorporating
food wastes into yard waste composting facilities.  To that end, I am
looking for referrals to very well-run facilities (primarily
public-sector) that handle both feedstocks, so that aspects of their
operational practices can be incorporated into this guidance document
and, perhaps, illustrated with photographs of applicable operational
practices.

 

To those of you who responded to my earlier posting on this topic, my
heartfelt thanks!

 

Cheers,

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The
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Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical
Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from
20+ Manufacturers.
Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor
Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website.
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_______________________________________
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Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The
Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting,
Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive
Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical
Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from
20+ Manufacturers.
Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor
Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website.
www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931
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_____
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From alexassoc at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 16 08:18:43 2009
From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (Ron  Alexander)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:18:43 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Poison Ivy
Message-ID: <000001c977e5$57c42be0$074c83a0$@net>

Hello Compost World,

Does anyone know of any research done on the deactivation of poison ivy
through the composting process? Has anyone out there composted poison ivy?
Thanks,

Ron

 

 

 

Ron Alexander

R. Alexander Associates, Inc.

1212 Eastham Drive

Apex, North Carolina 27502   - USA

919-367-8350 - office telephone

919-367-8351 - fax

919-349-0460 - mobile telephone

alexassoc at earthlink.net

www.alexassoc.net 

 


From dmhill at aol.com  Sat Jan 17 12:03:56 2009
From: dmhill at aol.com (dmhill@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:03:56 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting operations
In-Reply-To: <7B50B7E5E4F940D5A1D09A0C7E353BB2@LAPTOP>
References: <7B50B7E5E4F940D5A1D09A0C7E353BB2@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <8CB46E5196A044E-8D8-5EA@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com>


 Craig,
Certainly, you've considered Cedar Grove?

http://www.cedar-grove.com

David HIll
CycleLogic Environmental Marketing and Consultation
4613 Roxbury Drive
Bethesda, MD 20814
(301) 493-5180


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Coker <cscoker at verizon.net>
To: USCC Listserv <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 7:13 am
Subject: [USCC] Exemplar food waste + yard waste composting operations










Colleagues:

 

As I noted in an earlier posting, the USCC is working with EPA Region 3 to
develop a Best Management Practices (BMP) manual for incorporating food
wastes into yard waste composting facilities.  To that end, I am looking for
referrals to very well-run facilities (primarily public-sector) that handle
both feedstocks, so that aspects of their operational practices can be
incorporated into this guidance document and, perhaps, illustrated with
photographs of applicable operational practices.

 

To those of you who responded to my earlier posting on this topic, my
heartfelt thanks!

 

Cheers,

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

 This e-mail communication (including any attachments) may contain legally
privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the
intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you should
immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any
unauthorized reading, distribution, copying or other use of this
communication (or its attachments) is strictly prohibited.

 

_______________________________________
Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, 
January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference 
& Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics 
Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ 
Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment 
Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers.
Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and 
Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. www.compostingcouncil.org 
or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931
_____________________________________________________________________________
Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
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Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the 
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From sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com  Tue Jan 20 14:48:58 2009
From: sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com (Sandy Syburg)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0600
Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction
Message-ID: <A1EA9FFF3EDF486595C69AC5BD94604B@otc.com>

Are there any studies out there that prove there is a reduction in curve
number if a "green space" has a compost blanket rather than just mulch or
matting?  If so what would that curve number be and also what kind of credit
can you get for infiltration.
 

Sandy Syburg

  

White Oak Farm Premium Organics

W360 N8515 Brown Street

Oconomowoc, WI 53066

 

 

Voice   920-355-4042

Fax      920-355-4043

 

email       sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com

web site   www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com
<http://www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com/> 

 


From britt_faucette at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 21 21:50:01 2009
From: britt_faucette at hotmail.com (Britt Faucette)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:50:01 +0000
Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction
In-Reply-To: <A1EA9FFF3EDF486595C69AC5BD94604B@otc.com>
References: <A1EA9FFF3EDF486595C69AC5BD94604B@otc.com>
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There are a few published studies on compost blankets that quantify their effect on runoff volume (among other storm water characteristics). These studies report rainfall and runoff amounts. If rainfall and runoff depth are known, you can calculate the runoff curve number (CN) based on the USDA-SCS TR55 methodology. Based on the values reported in these studies, an average CN of 55 has been determined for hydrologic soil group B.  This CN is similar to a public green space, 75% brush covered area, and a woodland according to CN book values provided by the USDA SCS TR55. 
 
I am not sure I understand your question about obtaining credit for infiltration. Are you trying to calculate infiltration or rainfall absorption of a compost blanket?Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED AP Director of Research & Technical Services Filtrexx International 551 East Lake Drive Decatur, GA 30030 ph: (678) 592 7094 www.filtrexx.com > From: sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0600> Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction> > Are there any studies out there that prove there is a reduction in curve> number if a "green space" has a compost blanket rather than just mulch or> matting? If so what would that curve number be and also what kind of credit> can you get for infiltration.> > > Sandy Syburg> > > > White Oak Farm Premium Organics> > W360 N8515 Brown Street> > Oconomowoc, WI 53066> > > > > > Voice 920-355-4042> > Fax 920-355-4043> > > > email sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > web site www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com> <http://www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com/> > > > > _______________________________________> Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers.> Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931> _____________________________________________________________________________> Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost> _______________________________________> This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC).> (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved> > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors.> > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm> > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost> > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org

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From: PLindquist at waukeshacounty.gov (Lindquist, Perry)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:03:03 -0600
Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction
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Is the curve number you reference (55) a temporary affect? If so, how long does it last?

Perry Lindquist
Land Resources Manager
Waukesha County WI

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There are a few published studies on compost blankets that quantify their effect on runoff volume (among other storm water characteristics). These studies report rainfall and runoff amounts. If rainfall and runoff depth are known, you can calculate the runoff curve number (CN) based on the USDA-SCS TR55 methodology. Based on the values reported in these studies, an average CN of 55 has been determined for hydrologic soil group B.  This CN is similar to a public green space, 75% brush covered area, and a woodland according to CN book values provided by the USDA SCS TR55.

I am not sure I understand your question about obtaining credit for infiltration. Are you trying to calculate infiltration or rainfall absorption of a compost blanket?Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED AP Director of Research & Technical Services Filtrexx International 551 East Lake Drive Decatur, GA 30030 ph: (678) 592 7094 www.filtrexx.com > From: sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0600> Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction> > Are there any studies out there that prove there is a reduction in curve> number if a "green space" has a compost blanket rather than just mulch or> matting? If so what would that curve number be and also what kind of credit> can you get for infiltration.> > > Sandy Syburg> > > > White Oak Farm Premium Organics> > W360 N8515 Brown Street> > Oconomowoc, WI 53066> > > > > > Voice 920-355-4042> > Fax 920-355-4043> > > > email sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > web site www.w
 hiteoakfarmorganics.com> <http://www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com/> > > > > _______________________________________> Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers.> Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931> _____________________________________________________________________________> Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost> _______________________________________> This list is a service provid
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:06:51 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Equipment available
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The Southeastern Public Service Authority is offering for sale, several
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From Rafael_Salazar at keppelseghers.com  Thu Jan 22 12:53:39 2009
From: Rafael_Salazar at keppelseghers.com (Rafael_Salazar@keppelseghers.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:53:39 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Runoff Reduction
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Sandy,

I know what you are talking about. I am the person in charge of Marketing 
the Dano Drum in the Americas. Also, I am a CPESC (Certified in 
Professional and Erosion Control) and CFM (Certified Floatplane Manager).

Let me give you some links. EPA and the Water Quality Department haven't 
granted a special CN (Curve Number) to the Compost yet. This probably will 
come from the USDA - NRCS, which are the ones that came with the TR-55 and 
TR-20 software. USDA-NRCS is also the one from where we take the Curve 
Numbers for either Agriculture or Urban Erosion. 

http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B1200.htm

http://compost.tamu.edu/docs/pubs/ErosionControlRevegetation.pdf

http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/Organics/Erosion/Workshops/2006BMPCT/Sacramento/Balzer.pdf



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Are there any studies out there that prove there is a reduction in curve
number if a "green space" has a compost blanket rather than just mulch or
matting?  If so what would that curve number be and also what kind of 
credit
can you get for infiltration.
 

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----- Message from Britt Faucette <britt_faucette at hotmail.com> on Thu, 22 
Jan 2009 03:50:01 +0000 -----
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Re: [USCC] runoff reduction

 
There are a few published studies on compost blankets that quantify their 
effect on runoff volume (among other storm water characteristics). These 
studies report rainfall and runoff amounts. If rainfall and runoff depth 
are known, you can calculate the runoff curve number (CN) based on the 
USDA-SCS TR55 methodology. Based on the values reported in these studies, 
an average CN of 55 has been determined for hydrologic soil group B.  This 
CN is similar to a public green space, 75% brush covered area, and a 
woodland according to CN book values provided by the USDA SCS TR55. 
 
I am not sure I understand your question about obtaining credit for 
infiltration. Are you trying to calculate infiltration or rainfall 
absorption of a compost blanket?Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED 
AP Director of Research & Technical Services Filtrexx International 551 
East Lake Drive Decatur, GA 30030 ph: (678) 592 7094 www.filtrexx.com > 
From: sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> To: 
compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0600> 
Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction> > Are there any studies out there that 
prove there is a reduction in curve> number if a "green space" has a 
compost blanket rather than just mulch or> matting? If so what would that 
curve number be and also what kind of credit> can you get for 
infiltration.> > > Sandy Syburg> > > > White Oak Farm Premium Organics> > 
W360 N8515 Brown Street> > Oconomowoc, WI 53066> > > > > > Voice 
920-355-4042> > Fax 920-355-4043> > > > email 
sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > web site 
www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com> <http://www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com/> > > > 
> _______________________________________> Join us as the US Composting 
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Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & 
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From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us  Thu Jan 22 18:46:21 2009
From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:46:21 -0600
Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction
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Our research does not directly address the question of assigning a modified CN for land treated with compost blankets as opposed to other treatments, but we did create regression lines representing the rainfall/runoff relationship for 3 treatments, including compost blankets. We used data from 16 storms over a 2-year period on replicated test plots of the following treatments: 2" compost/mulch blended blankets, hydromulch, and bare seeded soil, all at a quarry reclamation site with an 8:1 slope. The results are in figure 4.4 of our report at http://www.tceq.state.tx.us/compliance/monitoring/nps/projects/quarry.html. 

These compost blankets  do flatten out the regression line or "curve" by facilitating infiltration. Since they also have tremendous water-holding capacity, they also move the regression line's intersection with the X-axis significantly to the right. meaning that runoff did not even begin until around 7/10 of an inch of rain on average, as opposed to about 2/10 of an inch for hydromulch or bare soil.



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>>> "Lindquist, Perry" <PLindquist at waukeshacounty.gov> 1/22/2009 10:03 AM >>>
Is the curve number you reference (55) a temporary affect? If so, how long does it last?

Perry Lindquist
Land Resources Manager
Waukesha County WI

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From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Britt Faucette
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Subject: Re: [USCC] runoff reduction

There are a few published studies on compost blankets that quantify their effect on runoff volume (among other storm water characteristics). These studies report rainfall and runoff amounts. If rainfall and runoff depth are known, you can calculate the runoff curve number (CN) based on the USDA-SCS TR55 methodology. Based on the values reported in these studies, an average CN of 55 has been determined for hydrologic soil group B.  This CN is similar to a public green space, 75% brush covered area, and a woodland according to CN book values provided by the USDA SCS TR55.

I am not sure I understand your question about obtaining credit for infiltration. Are you trying to calculate infiltration or rainfall absorption of a compost blanket?Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED AP Director of Research & Technical Services Filtrexx International 551 East Lake Drive Decatur, GA 30030 ph: (678) 592 7094 www.filtrexx.com > From: sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0600> Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction> > Are there any studies out there that prove there is a reduction in curve> number if a "green space" has a compost blanket rather than just mulch or> matting? If so what would that curve number be and also what kind of credit> can you get for infiltration.> > > Sandy Syburg> > > > White Oak Farm Premium Organics> > W360 N8515 Brown Street> > Oconomowoc, WI 53066> > > > > > Voice 920-355-4042> > Fax 920-355-4043> > > > email sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > web site www.w

From britt_faucette at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 25 18:21:12 2009
From: britt_faucette at hotmail.com (Britt Faucette)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:21:12 +0000
Subject: [USCC] Runoff Reduction
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I beleive this to be a permanent CN unless the compost blanket is not vegetated or organic matter is removed from the landscape.
 
I have presented this data to several Hydrologists at the USDA-NRCS who were part of a team to create CNs for various landscape surfaces and they were very accepting of the data. I have presented the methodology and findings at national conferences and trainings and would be happy to discuss with any interested parties.
 
These are a few of the refrences I have used to determine the CNs.
 
 
1.      Faucette, L. Britt, J. Governo, C.F. Jordan, B. G Lockaby, H. F. Carino, and R. Governo.  2007. Erosion control and storm water quality from straw with pam, mulch, and compost blankets of varying particle sizes. Journal of Soil and Water Conservation. 62:6: 404-413.
 
3.       Faucette B, C. Jordan, M. Risse, M. Cabrera, D. Coleman, L. West. 2005. Evaluation of Storm Water from Compost and Conventional Erosion Control Practices in Construction Activities.  Journal of Soil and Water Conservation. 60:6: 288-297.
 
1.      Faucette, Britt. 2008. Compost Blankets: The Newest Tool for Low Impact Development and Post-Construction Runoff Control. Stormwater: The Journal for Surface Water Quality Professionals. June, 2008. www.stormh2o.com/web-articles/erosion-compost-blanket.aspx
 
Persyn, R. T. Glanville, T. Richard, J. Laflen, and P. Dixon. 2004. Environmental effects to applying composted organics to new highway embankments, Part 1: Interrill runoff and erosion. Transactions of the American Society of Agricultural Engineers. 47:2: 463-469.
 
 Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED AP Director of Research & Technical Services Filtrexx International 551 East Lake Drive Decatur, GA 30030 ph: (678) 592 7094 www.filtrexx.com > To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> From: Rafael_Salazar at keppelseghers.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:53:39 -0500> Subject: [USCC] Runoff Reduction> > Sandy,> > I know what you are talking about. I am the person in charge of Marketing > the Dano Drum in the Americas. Also, I am a CPESC (Certified in > Professional and Erosion Control) and CFM (Certified Floatplane Manager).> > Let me give you some links. EPA and the Water Quality Department haven't > granted a special CN (Curve Number) to the Compost yet. This probably will > come from the USDA - NRCS, which are the ones that came with the TR-55 and > TR-20 software. USDA-NRCS is also the one from where we take the Curve > Numbers for either Agriculture or Urban Erosion. > > http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B1200.htm> > http://compost.tamu.edu/docs/pubs/ErosionControlRevegetation.pdf> > http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/Organics/Erosion/Workshops/2006BMPCT/Sacramento/Balzer.pdf> > > > Rafael Salazar> Product Engineer> Keppel Seghers Inc.> 1235-F Kennestone Circle> Marietta, GA 30066> Tel: 770.421.1181> Mobil: 678.707.1418> www.keppelseghersUSA.com> > > > compost-request at mailman.cloudnet.com > Sent by: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com> 01/22/2009 01:13 PM> Please respond to> compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> > > To> compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> cc> > Subject> Compost Digest, Vol 58, Issue 15> > > > > > > Send Compost mailing list submissions to> compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> compost-request at mailman.cloudnet.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> compost-owner at mailman.cloudnet.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Compost digest..."> > > ______________________________________________________________________> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.The > National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the > composting and organics recycling industry.> Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and > Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > ______________________________________________________________________________> Today's Topics:> > 1. runoff reduction (Sandy Syburg)> 2. Re: runoff reduction (Britt Faucette)> > ----- Message from "Sandy Syburg" <sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > on Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0600 -----> To:> <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>> Subject:> [USCC] runoff reduction> Are there any studies out there that prove there is a reduction in curve> number if a "green space" has a compost blanket rather than just mulch or> matting? If so what would that curve number be and also what kind of > credit> can you get for infiltration.> > > Sandy Syburg> > > > White Oak Farm Premium Organics> > W360 N8515 Brown Street> > Oconomowoc, WI 53066> > > > > > Voice 920-355-4042> > Fax 920-355-4043> > > > email sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > web site www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com> <http://www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com/> > > > > > > ----- Message from Britt Faucette <britt_faucette at hotmail.com> on Thu, 22 > Jan 2009 03:50:01 +0000 -----> To:> <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>> Subject:> Re: [USCC] runoff reduction> > > There are a few published studies on compost blankets that quantify their > effect on runoff volume (among other storm water characteristics). These > studies report rainfall and runoff amounts. If rainfall and runoff depth > are known, you can calculate the runoff curve number (CN) based on the > USDA-SCS TR55 methodology. Based on the values reported in these studies, > an average CN of 55 has been determined for hydrologic soil group B. This > CN is similar to a public green space, 75% brush covered area, and a > woodland according to CN book values provided by the USDA SCS TR55. > > I am not sure I understand your question about obtaining credit for > infiltration. Are you trying to calculate infiltration or rainfall > absorption of a compost blanket?Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED > AP Director of Research & Technical Services Filtrexx International 551 > East Lake Drive Decatur, GA 30030 ph: (678) 592 7094 www.filtrexx.com > > From: sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> To: > compost at mailman.cloudnet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0600> > Subject: [USCC] runoff reduction> > Are there any studies out there that > prove there is a reduction in curve> number if a "green space" has a > compost blanket rather than just mulch or> matting? If so what would that > curve number be and also what kind of credit> can you get for > infiltration.> > > Sandy Syburg> > > > White Oak Farm Premium Organics> > > W360 N8515 Brown Street> > Oconomowoc, WI 53066> > > > > > Voice > 920-355-4042> > Fax 920-355-4043> > > > email > sandy.syburg at whiteoakfarmorganics.com> > web site > www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com> <http://www.whiteoakfarmorganics.com/> > > > > > _______________________________________> Join us as the US Composting > Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the > Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North > America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. 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