From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org  Mon Feb  2 10:14:27 2009
From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:14:27 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Controlling runoff from compost sites
Message-ID: <004401c98551$52328ea0$f697abe0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>

Greetings compost world,

I am looking for any state-issued (or at least sanctioned) guidance
documents on managing runoff from compost sites, especially compost sites
handling yard debris and food waste. 

Also, I am very interested in any good studies on compost site runoff.  The
two I am aware of are 

.         Clean Washington Center, "Evaluation of Compost Facility Runoff
for Beneficial Reuse", prepared by E & A Environmental Consultants, May 1997

.         Krogmann, U., "Selected Characteristics of Leachate, Condensate,
and Runoff Released During Composting of Biogenic Wastes", Waste Management
and Research, Vol. 18, 2000

Thanks,

Cary

 

____________________________________

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RegenTerra

Regenerating the Earth from the Ground Up!

484-547-1521

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From edo_mcgowan at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  2 11:09:00 2009
From: edo_mcgowan at hotmail.com (Edo McGowan)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:09:00 +0000
Subject: [USCC] Controlling runoff from compost sites
In-Reply-To: <004401c98551$52328ea0$f697abe0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>
References: <004401c98551$52328ea0$f697abe0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>
Message-ID: <BLU109-W438D2D669376AC103E3FC80C50@phx.gbl>


Cary, why not contact the Santa Ana Regional Water Quality Board. They are setting up an emergency program that will allow a 2 inch blanket of biosolids-greenwaste compost to be put on fire ravaged lands. Certainly they will have had all this worked out well ahead of time. They can be reached at <info8 at waterboards.ca.gov> or by phone-----------(951) 782-4130.

Let us all know what they have to say.

Cheers-------------Edo

> From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org
> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:14:27 -0500
> Subject: [USCC] Controlling runoff from compost sites
> 
> Greetings compost world,
> 
> I am looking for any state-issued (or at least sanctioned) guidance
> documents on managing runoff from compost sites, especially compost sites
> handling yard debris and food waste. 
> 
> Also, I am very interested in any good studies on compost site runoff.  The
> two I am aware of are 
> 
> .         Clean Washington Center, "Evaluation of Compost Facility Runoff
> for Beneficial Reuse", prepared by E & A Environmental Consultants, May 1997
> 
> .         Krogmann, U., "Selected Characteristics of Leachate, Condensate,
> and Runoff Released During Composting of Biogenic Wastes", Waste Management
> and Research, Vol. 18, 2000
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Cary
> 
>  
> 
> ____________________________________
> 
> Cary Oshins
> 
> RegenTerra
> 
> Regenerating the Earth from the Ground Up!
> 
> 484-547-1521
> 
> caryoshins at hotmail.com
> 
>  
> 
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From cscoker at verizon.net  Thu Feb  5 08:34:24 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:34:24 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost?
Message-ID: <697FE57835C440B0B12CE37F0BCBDE42@LAPTOP>

Colleagues:

 

Is any one aware of any data showing composts to contain bacteria of the
species Neisseria sicca?  I'm trying to research innovative ways to compost
cellulose acetate (CA) and Japanese researchers (Sakai, 1996) found
Neisseria sicca SB and SC to be effective in biodegradation of CA (they
isolated the microorganism from soil).

 

Many thanks!

Craig

 

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1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

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From galadram at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 13:07:30 2009
From: galadram at yahoo.com (Nadja)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:07:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [USCC] Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost?
In-Reply-To: <697FE57835C440B0B12CE37F0BCBDE42@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <827489.13215.qm@web63301.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Dear Craig,
? Is Dr. Elaine Ingham, Soil Food Web International, on your list?? She has been very helpful in the past to me to source answers to unusual questions in what I will call "practical, applied soil microbiology."
? Nadja Galadram
? Let's Grow Soil

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Craig Coker <cscoker at verizon.net> wrote:
From: Craig Coker <cscoker at verizon.net>
Subject: [USCC] Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost?
To: "USCC Listserv" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 6:34 AM

Colleagues:

 

Is any one aware of any data showing composts to contain bacteria of the
species Neisseria sicca?  I'm trying to research innovative ways to compost
cellulose acetate (CA) and Japanese researchers (Sakai, 1996) found
Neisseria sicca SB and SC to be effective in biodegradation of CA (they
isolated the microorganism from soil).

 

Many thanks!

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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From lprag at mail.msen.com  Thu Feb  5 13:38:04 2009
From: lprag at mail.msen.com (Lowell Prag)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:38:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [USCC] Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost?
In-Reply-To: <827489.13215.qm@web63301.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <827489.13215.qm@web63301.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1947.76.226.134.3.1233862684.squirrel@webmail.msen.com>

On Thu, February 5, 2009 2:07 pm, Nadja wrote:

... see below ...

Greetings,

A note on Dr. Elaine Ingham:

She has written extensively on soil biology and also,
compost tea. Her books are well worth reading.

Her home page:

http://www.soilfoodweb.com/

Resource page:

http://www.soilfoodweb.com/02_resources/index.html

Regards,

Lowell Prag

---------------------

On Thu, February 5, 2009 2:07 pm, Nadja wrote:
Dear Craig,
  Is Dr. Elaine Ingham, Soil Food Web International, on your list?  She
has been very helpful in the past to me to source answers to unusual
questions in what I will call "practical, applied soil microbiology."
  Nadja Galadram
  Let's Grow Soil

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Craig Coker <cscoker at verizon.net> wrote:
From: Craig Coker <cscoker at verizon.net>
Subject: [USCC] Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost?
To: "USCC Listserv" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 6:34 AM

Colleagues:



Is any one aware of any data showing composts to contain bacteria of the
species Neisseria sicca?  I'm trying to research innovative ways to
compost
cellulose acetate (CA) and Japanese researchers (Sakai, 1996) found
Neisseria sicca SB and SC to be effective in biodegradation of CA (they
isolated the microorganism from soil).



Many thanks!

Craig



Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

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From cscoker at verizon.net  Sun Feb  8 15:27:20 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:27:20 -0500
Subject: [USCC] International Compost Prices?
Message-ID: <98F0FC4EEE6A4BA6A807DAA74905DA38@LAPTOP>

Colleagues:

 

I am trying to compile some data on the going prices for a typical 3/8" -
1/2" garden compost in other countries (Europe, Australia/NZ, others).  Does
anyone have any reliable data, please?

 

Thanks!

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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From lprag at mail.msen.com  Fri Feb  6 14:59:18 2009
From: lprag at mail.msen.com (Lowell Prag)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:59:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [USCC] Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?
Message-ID: <4487.76.226.134.3.1233953958.squirrel@webmail.msen.com>

Greetings,

Very informative article:

Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-in-soil

Regards,

Lowell Prag



From mikepnevin at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb  8 14:40:39 2009
From: mikepnevin at yahoo.ca (Michael Nevin)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:40:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [USCC] shredded office paper as carbon source
Message-ID: <841454.94556.qm@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What is the scoop on using shredded office and photocopier paper as a carbon source for food scrap composting? With the concern for protection of the privacy of personal information?nowadays, I can get?my hands on?lots of shredded office paper.
Cheers, Mike in Toronto with appx 200 kg of foodscraps per week to compost
compost at foodshare.net
mikepnevin at yahoo.ca


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From Maduka.Agbeze-Onuma at corusgroup.com  Mon Feb  9 03:13:18 2009
From: Maduka.Agbeze-Onuma at corusgroup.com (Maduka.Agbeze-Onuma@corusgroup.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:13:18 +0000
Subject: [USCC] Compost Digest, Vol 59, Issue 3
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Please I plan to compost oily contaminated soil, compost, and urea
fertilizer.

Please can you assist me with a formular to calculate the quantities of
each of this materials for the composting mix.

Regards

Maduka Agbeze-Onuma
Geo-Environmental Engineer
Corus Research, Development and Technology
Moorgate,
Rotherham,
South Yorkshire,
S60 3AR
Tel: 01709 825521
Fax: 01709 825400
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----- Message from Nadja <galadram at yahoo.com> on Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:07:30
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 Subject: Re: [USCC] Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost? 
                                                          

Dear Craig,? Is Dr. Elaine Ingham, Soil Food Web International, on your
list?? She has been very helpful in the past to me to source answers to
unusual questions in what I will call "practical, applied soil
microbiology."? Nadja Galadram? Let's Grow Soil

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Craig Coker <cscoker at verizon.net> wrote:
From: Craig Coker <cscoker at verizon.net>
Subject: [USCC] Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost?
To: "USCC Listserv" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 6:34 AM

Colleagues:



Is any one aware of any data showing composts to contain bacteria of the
species Neisseria sicca?  I'm trying to research innovative ways to compost
cellulose acetate (CA) and Japanese researchers (Sakai, 1996) found
Neisseria sicca SB and SC to be effective in biodegradation of CA (they
isolated the microorganism from soil).



Many thanks!

Craig



Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.



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 Subject: Re: [USCC] Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost?  
                                                           

On Thu, February 5, 2009 2:07 pm, Nadja wrote:

... see below ...

Greetings,

A note on Dr. Elaine Ingham:

She has written extensively on soil biology and also,
compost tea. Her books are well worth reading.

Her home page:

http://www.soilfoodweb.com/

Resource page:

http://www.soilfoodweb.com/02_resources/index.html

Regards,

Lowell Prag

---------------------

On Thu, February 5, 2009 2:07 pm, Nadja wrote:
Dear Craig,
  Is Dr. Elaine Ingham, Soil Food Web International, on your list?  She
has been very helpful in the past to me to source answers to unusual
questions in what I will call "practical, applied soil microbiology."
  Nadja Galadram
  Let's Grow Soil

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Craig Coker <cscoker at verizon.net> wrote:
From: Craig Coker <cscoker at verizon.net>
Subject: [USCC] Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost?
To: "USCC Listserv" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 6:34 AM

Colleagues:



Is any one aware of any data showing composts to contain bacteria of the
species Neisseria sicca?  I'm trying to research innovative ways to
compost
cellulose acetate (CA) and Japanese researchers (Sakai, 1996) found
Neisseria sicca SB and SC to be effective in biodegradation of CA (they
isolated the microorganism from soil).



Many thanks!

Craig



Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.



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From cscoker at verizon.net  Mon Feb  9 08:25:24 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:25:24 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Compost Digest, Vol 59, Issue 3
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Traditional composting of non-toxic organic materials is based on proper
recipe formulation, thorough mixing, aerobic composting and curing to
produce a stable and mature compost for product markets in the shortest
possible time at the least possible cost.  Composting of contaminated soils
has a different endpoint (the degradation of the contaminant), and product
marketability is not an issue, so temperatures, time, C:N ratios, moisture
content and porosity are somewhat less important considerations.
Thermophilic temperatures have been shown to greatly accelerate the
degradation of some contaminants (like polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
(PAHs)), but at a greater risk of gaseous volatilization.  In some cases,
anaerobic conditions may be needed to degrade highly chlorinated compounds,
a step which is then followed with aerobic treatment to degrade the
partially dechlorinated compounds as well as the other constituents.
Moisture levels in the range of 20% to 80% are considered suitable for the
bioremediation of soils, but the microbes in composting thrive best between
40% and 60% moisture.  Nutrient process design is focused on C:N:P ratios,
in which ratios of 120:10:2 are not uncommon.  Each remediation project is
different, due to differences in the nature of the contaminant, the initial
concentration of that contaminant, the desired endpoint (often influenced by
risk assessments), the degradation rate (dependent on both the nature of the
contaminant and the energy level of the compostable feedstocks), concerns
over volatilization and leaching, and available space.  

Composting can be done with aerated static piles, with in-vessel systems, or
with windrows.  Windrow composting is considered to be the most
cost-effective alternative, but it may also have the highest levels of
fugitive emissions of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs).  Composting with
aerated static piles, also known as biopiles, is an effective means of
remediating petroleum contamination.  

Remediation composting can be accomplished by mixing contaminated soils with
fresh, high-energy feedstocks or by simply adding a mature, finished compost
to contaminated soils.  A mix ratio of 30% soil and 70% feedstocks has been
observed to reach thermophilic temperatures.  A mix of 18% soil and 82% yard
trimmings remediated 40% of the PCBs in the soil over a period of 370 days.
A mature six-month old compost mixed with petroleum contaminated soils was
observed to degrade petroleum at a rate eight times faster than with in-situ
bioremediation (natural attenuation).

I hope this helps.

Craig Coker
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Please I plan to compost oily contaminated soil, compost, and urea
fertilizer.

Please can you assist me with a formular to calculate the quantities of
each of this materials for the composting mix.

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   1. Re: Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost? (Nadja)
   2. Re: Neisseria sicca bacteria in compost? (Lowell Prag)

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From cscoker at verizon.net  Mon Feb  9 08:43:28 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:43:28 -0500
Subject: [USCC]  shredded office paper as carbon source
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Mike:

While the carbon in the cellulose of shredded paper is beneficial to your
mix nutrient balance, you won't get any structural porosity in the pile, and
thus risk anaerobic conditions.  I'd suggest you add ~ 10 - 20% (by volume)
of coarse wood chips (~ 4" or bigger) to the paper-food mix and then
recycle/reuse them after screening.

Another possible, but minor issue would be metals from the inks in the
paper, but given the low-metals nature of your feedstock, that's not likely
to be a problem.

Cheers,
Craig

Craig Coker
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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Michael Nevin
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What is the scoop on using shredded office and photocopier paper as a carbon
source for food scrap composting? With the concern for protection of the
privacy of personal information?nowadays, I can get?my hands on?lots of
shredded office paper.
Cheers, Mike in Toronto with appx 200 kg of foodscraps per week to compost
compost at foodshare.net
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From hirschsys at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 09:09:45 2009
From: hirschsys at aol.com (Myron Hirschman)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:09:45 -0600
Subject: [USCC] FW:  shredded office paper as carbon source
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Mike
The paper will work great to supply some carbon and absorb water but I would
include a bulking agent, preferably ground wood, to provide needed air space
and allow the pile to breath. There also seems to be a difference in raw
carbon ( leafs, straw, sawdust, ground wood, etc) VS processed carbon
(paper, cardboard, etc).
Good Luck
Myron H 
Myron at hirschsystems.com

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What is the scoop on using shredded office and photocopier paper as a carbon
source for food scrap composting? With the concern for protection of the
privacy of personal information?nowadays, I can get?my hands on?lots of
shredded office paper.
Cheers, Mike in Toronto with appx 200 kg of foodscraps per week to compost
compost at foodshare.net
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From johncossham at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 11:31:09 2009
From: johncossham at tiscali.co.uk (John Cossham)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:31:09 -0000
Subject: [USCC] Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?
References: <4487.76.226.134.3.1233953958.squirrel@webmail.msen.com>
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I am astounded that coal ash is used in this way in the good  ol' US of A!

In the UK, composters and gardeners are routinely informed that coal ash 
(from domestic hearths) contains metals and other toxins which should be 
kept out of the food chain.  Over here, fly ash is used to add to cement to 
make building blocks, which I think is an acceptable use, as it keeps it out 
of landfill and replaces aggregate extraction, with all of the associated 
CO2 emissions and environmental degredation.

However, wood ash, from natural untreated timber, is acceptable to put on 
soils or in compost piles, despite it's very soluble nature.  Infact, 
putting wood ash around apple trees in the spring can reduce the levels of 
'bitter pit', a condition where small areas of brown flesh appear within the 
fruit.  Avoid putting wood ash around acid-loving plants such as blueberries 
or azealias, as it is alkaline.
John, York, UK

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> Greetings,
>
> Very informative article:
>
> Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?
>
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-in-soil
>
> Regards,
>
> Lowell Prag
>
>
>
> 


From johncossham at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 11:55:07 2009
From: johncossham at tiscali.co.uk (John Cossham)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:55:07 -0000
Subject: [USCC] brilliant tool for home composters
Message-ID: <B7E91CB7D41B4D858346125AD877464B@johnslaptop>

I have used many types of compost heap aeration tool and have now found one which really does the job well.

It is called a 'Compost Mate' (see http://www.reln.com.au/compost-mate-p-130.html or  http://www.wigglywigglers.co.uk/shop/product.html?product_id=116 for instance) and it is a strong metal 'corkscrew' shape.

This can be screwed into the heap and a plug of material extracted.  If the plug is too heavy or cannot be pulled out of the heap, the Compost Mate can be unscrewed a half-turn and then the operative can try again.

I have used several other home compost heap aeraters, mainly ones with tines which fold up when pushed into the pile and fold out when the tool is pulled out.  I have broken this kind of tool quite easily, or been unable to push it in properly or then pull it out.

But the Compost Mate is excellent.  Pity it's made in Australia and has to be imported....
John

From LewisDV at mda.state.md.us  Mon Feb  9 12:22:07 2009
From: LewisDV at mda.state.md.us (Donald Lewis)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:22:07 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?
In-Reply-To: <4487.76.226.134.3.1233953958.squirrel@webmail.msen.com>
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Hi, Y'All
 
The statement that coal ash is not regulated by the EPA seems to me to be unlikely. I bet that the truth is that EPA has regulatory authority but has been prevented by previous administrations from setting heavy metal limits and total loading rates sufficient to adequately protect the environment and the public.
 
The statement that it has been left to the States with disastrous results is, at best, misleading. States are willing to do the job, but without better guidance from the Federals, there is an almost inevitable patchwork of competing regulations. The other problem is that States are subject to the same political pressures that caused the administration to hamstring the EPA in the first place. After all, no one wants to pay extra for their electricity.
 
Turning the stuff into concrete seems to be a really good solution.
 
Don Lewis
Compost Coordinator
Maryland Department of Agriculture
50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 21401
 
Ph. 410-841-2721


>>> "Lowell Prag" <lprag at mail.msen.com> 2/6/2009 3:59 PM >>>
Greetings,

Very informative article:

Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-in-soil 

Regards,

Lowell Prag


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From johncossham at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 16:50:35 2009
From: johncossham at tiscali.co.uk (John Cossham)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:50:35 -0000
Subject: [USCC] Fw:  shredded office paper as carbon source
Message-ID: <F1070812B1364C28B13EBA1544894FDE@johnslaptop>

Hi Mike from Toronto with loads of foodscraps.

I use office shredded paper with my fruit and veg compost... I only have
about 100kg/week, and the paper really helps, and in my static heaps, the
worms love it.

However, a heap with just foodscraps and paper will become very compacted
unless you turn it regularly.  I add shredded twigs and the coarser fraction
of my sawdust from my logging ops (two smoke-free woodstoves yay!) which
help keep the piles open and aerated.  However, once they've been rapidly
hot composted (with turning)  I leave the pile to sit and wait at which time
the worms invade the pile.  A pile with paper attracts far more worms than
one without.

So, do use paper.  Don't worry about the printing on the paper, as the vast
majority of printing these days is with non-toxic inks based on maize and
soya, or black print based on carbon.  Glossy paper has a thin film of
kaolin clay which will make the paper compost more slowly and adds more
bulk.  In the 'olden days' some printing inks contained metals but it is too
expensive to do this now, and renewable materials are more easily available.

John, York, UK



From slbarnes at barnesnursery.com  Mon Feb  9 16:20:01 2009
From: slbarnes at barnesnursery.com (SharonBarnes)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:20:01 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?
In-Reply-To: <49902DFF.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us>
Message-ID: <20090209222223.D5675B9D0C6@mx1.cloudnet.com>

Keep in mind there is a big difference in coal ash based upon the type of
coal burned, and maybe more.  I have seen a wide range of test results on
this material.  

Sharon Barnes
Barnes Nursery, Inc.
3511 Cleveland Road West
Huron, OH 44839
P 419-433-5525
800-421-8722
F 419-433-3555
www.barnesnursery.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:22 PM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: Re: [USCC] Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?

Hi, Y'All
 
The statement that coal ash is not regulated by the EPA seems to me to be
unlikely. I bet that the truth is that EPA has regulatory authority but has
been prevented by previous administrations from setting heavy metal limits
and total loading rates sufficient to adequately protect the environment and
the public.
 
The statement that it has been left to the States with disastrous results
is, at best, misleading. States are willing to do the job, but without
better guidance from the Federals, there is an almost inevitable patchwork
of competing regulations. The other problem is that States are subject to
the same political pressures that caused the administration to hamstring the
EPA in the first place. After all, no one wants to pay extra for their
electricity.
 
Turning the stuff into concrete seems to be a really good solution.
 
Don Lewis
Compost Coordinator
Maryland Department of Agriculture
50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 21401
 
Ph. 410-841-2721


>>> "Lowell Prag" <lprag at mail.msen.com> 2/6/2009 3:59 PM >>>
Greetings,

Very informative article:

Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-in-soil 

Regards,

Lowell Prag


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From jziegenb at ieua.org  Tue Feb 10 13:33:20 2009
From: jziegenb at ieua.org (Jeff Ziegenbein)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:33:20 -0800
Subject: [USCC] International Compost Prices?
In-Reply-To: <67B738AC3B1E0744AAC1B3E214119BBBA5F80BE0@IEUA-MX01.IEUA.ORG>
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	<67B738AC3B1E0744AAC1B3E214119BBBA5F80BD9@IEUA-MX01.IEUA.ORG>
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I met with a large-scale composter from Australia last week who processes biosolids and green materials at several locations. He says that he sells his 1/2" for over $20/cyd and that sales are strong. He claims that his businesses are driven as much by sales revenues than by tip prices and is often surprised when he hears of low bulk compost prices in the US.

JZ 

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Coker [mailto:cscoker at verizon.net] 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:27 PM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] International Compost Prices?

Colleagues:

 

I am trying to compile some data on the going prices for a typical 3/8" -
1/2" garden compost in other countries (Europe, Australia/NZ, others).  Does
anyone have any reliable data, please?

 

Thanks!

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

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From ken.bouma at mfe.govt.nz  Wed Feb 11 15:52:17 2009
From: ken.bouma at mfe.govt.nz (Ken Bouma)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:52:17 +1300
Subject: [USCC] International Compost Prices?
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Hi Craig,

In New Zealand prices per cubic meter typically range from NZ$40-80, depending on the product.  ~NZ$60/m^3 is pretty common.  That's about US$30 at current exchange rates.

Cheers,
Ken

Ken Bouma
Adviser - Sustainable Business Group
DDI: 04 439 7620
Fax:  04 439 7702
Email: ken.bouma at mfe.govt.nz

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-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Coker [mailto:cscoker at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 10:27 a.m.
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] International Compost Prices?

Colleagues:

 

I am trying to compile some data on the going prices for a typical 3/8" -
1/2" garden compost in other countries (Europe, Australia/NZ, others).  Does
anyone have any reliable data, please?

 

Thanks!

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

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From tonybreton at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 13:04:01 2009
From: tonybreton at gmail.com (Tony Breton)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:04:01 -0000
Subject: [USCC] International Compost Prices?
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For the UK, letsrecycle.com
http://www.letsrecycle.com/prices/compostingPrices.jsp has typical compost
prices for the UK over the past few years, VAT in the UK was 17.5% until
last November when it was cut to 15% and indicative prices for Europe are in
a paper by Josef Barth http://www.compostnetwork.info/index.php?id=10
Regards
Tony Breton
Novamont 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Ziegenbein [mailto:jziegenb at ieua.org] 
Sent: 10 February 2009 19:33
To: 'compost at mailman.cloudnet.com'
Subject: Re: [USCC] International Compost Prices?

I met with a large-scale composter from Australia last week who processes
biosolids and green materials at several locations. He says that he sells
his 1/2" for over $20/cyd and that sales are strong. He claims that his
businesses are driven as much by sales revenues than by tip prices and is
often surprised when he hears of low bulk compost prices in the US.

JZ 

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Coker [mailto:cscoker at verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:27 PM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] International Compost Prices?

Colleagues:

 

I am trying to compile some data on the going prices for a typical 3/8" -
1/2" garden compost in other countries (Europe, Australia/NZ, others).  Does
anyone have any reliable data, please?

 

Thanks!

Craig

 

Craig Coker | Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com.

 

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From hirschsys at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 11:23:05 2009
From: hirschsys at aol.com (Myron Hirschman)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:23:05 -0600
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
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References: <49902DFF.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us>
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I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the community.
Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant systems
that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree with
his use of the terms).

Please educate me.
What is anaerobic composting?

Thanks
Myron H
myron at hirschsystems.com


From LewisDV at mda.state.md.us  Thu Feb 12 13:07:58 2009
From: LewisDV at mda.state.md.us (Donald Lewis)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:07:58 -0500
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
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I would ask this list whether anaerobic and compost are even compatible words. Engineers usually use the term "Anaerobic Composting" to mean "Anaerobic digestion". The term "anaerobic digestion" can then be reserved for sewage, which everyone knows is bad. The problem with what is called "anaerobic composting" is that anaerobic processes stink and produce a product with very low pH, and containing phytotoxic chemicals. 
 
What the engineer was trying to describe is a product that is decomposed in the absence of air. Currently, there is a process that has drawn a fair amount of attention that involves anaerobic digestion with the collection of methane to be used as a fuel, followed by mixing with a bulking agent like wood chips and aerobic composting. This process can result in an acceptable product if the odor problems at the beginning of the composting process can be dealt with.
 
Don Lewis
Compost Coordinator
Maryland Department of Agriculture
50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 21401
Tel. # 410-841-2721

>>> "Myron Hirschman" <hirschsys at aol.com> 2/12/2009 12:23 PM >>>
I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the community.
Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant systems
that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree with
his use of the terms).

Please educate me.
What is anaerobic composting?

Thanks
Myron H
myron at hirschsystems.com 

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From cscoker at verizon.net  Thu Feb 12 17:00:41 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:00:41 -0500
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
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	<000001c98d36$9146b390$b3d41ab0$@com>
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Myron (and colleagues):

A few years ago, a man in Boone, NC tried to advocate anaerobic composting.
What he was doing was building a compacted mound of sawdust (~ 20' H x 50' W
x 100' L or so) and then excavating rectangular holes (think "graves") and
emplacing livestock mortality in the holes.  He'd cover them back up with
sawdust, compact it again, and let it rot for several years.  He then
harvested entombed remains and offered the "compost" for sale. 

I have seen this operation four times since 1998 and I will say the "system"
worked, as his compost was completely decomposed mortality compost and he
was selling it readily.  I believe the sawdust was so densely packed around
the mortalities that there was no way oxygen could have gotten in to
facilitate aerobic composting.  There was no leachate (due, I'd imagine, to
the sheer depth of sawdust).  

Unfortunately (or, fortunately, depending on one's point of view) the State
of NC shut him down in 2008 for failure to get a solid waste composting
permit as the site was within the required 50' setback from his property
line.

Craig 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:23 PM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the community.
Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant systems
that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree with
his use of the terms).

Please educate me.
What is anaerobic composting?

Thanks
Myron H
myron at hirschsystems.com

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From dan at resourcetrends.com  Thu Feb 12 18:46:32 2009
From: dan at resourcetrends.com (Dan Noble)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:46:32 -0800
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
References: <49902DFF.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us><20090209222223.D5675B9D0C6@mx1.cloudnet.com>
	<000001c98d36$9146b390$b3d41ab0$@com>
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I Googled it and got 7,800+ hits for just the "anaerobic composting" phrase 
(in the "Advanced Search" mode of "exact wording or phrase") ... lots of 
papers published on line.

I know that some European technologies use this as a "front end" (methane 
gas production) to their back end aerobic composting process (e.g. Kompogas, 
www.kompogas.ch, click on the "EN" button in the upper right to read their 
site in English).  It's real, being used, and maybe the future of getting 
BOTH energy and composted soil amendments from organic residuals.  Maybe 
something we should all be considering?

Dan Noble
ACP (www.healthysoil.org)
dan at resourcetrends.com


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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?


>I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the 
>community.
> Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
> the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant 
> systems
> that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree 
> with
> his use of the terms).
>
> Please educate me.
> What is anaerobic composting?
>
> Thanks
> Myron H
> myron at hirschsystems.com
>
> _______________________________________
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> Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest 
> Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & 
> Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training 
> Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & 
> "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting 
> Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor 
> Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website 
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From dan at resourcetrends.com  Thu Feb 12 19:36:42 2009
From: dan at resourcetrends.com (Dan Noble)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:36:42 -0800
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
References: <49902DFF.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us><20090209222223.D5675B9D0C6@mx1.cloudnet.com><000001c98d36$9146b390$b3d41ab0$@com>
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Too late!  It's already in the industrial lexicon, like the word "organic". 
Again... Google it and see all the papers.
Dan, ACP, www.healthsoil.org

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From: "Donald Lewis" <LewisDV at mda.state.md.us>
To: "'Compost Discussion List'" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?


>I would ask this list whether anaerobic and compost are even compatible 
>words. Engineers usually use the term "Anaerobic Composting" to mean 
>"Anaerobic digestion". The term "anaerobic digestion" can then be reserved 
>for sewage, which everyone knows is bad. The problem with what is called 
>"anaerobic composting" is that anaerobic processes stink and produce a 
>product with very low pH, and containing phytotoxic chemicals.
>
> What the engineer was trying to describe is a product that is decomposed 
> in the absence of air. Currently, there is a process that has drawn a fair 
> amount of attention that involves anaerobic digestion with the collection 
> of methane to be used as a fuel, followed by mixing with a bulking agent 
> like wood chips and aerobic composting. This process can result in an 
> acceptable product if the odor problems at the beginning of the composting 
> process can be dealt with.
>
> Don Lewis
> Compost Coordinator
> Maryland Department of Agriculture
> 50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
> Annapolis, MD 21401
> Tel. # 410-841-2721
>
>>>> "Myron Hirschman" <hirschsys at aol.com> 2/12/2009 12:23 PM >>>
> I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the 
> community.
> Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
> the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant 
> systems
> that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree 
> with
> his use of the terms).
>
> Please educate me.
> What is anaerobic composting?
>
> Thanks
> Myron H
> myron at hirschsystems.com
>
> _______________________________________
> Join us as the US Composting Council's 18th Annual Conference & Trade 
> Show, January 24-27, 2010 at the Wyndham Orlando Resort, FL. The Largest 
> Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & 
> Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training 
> Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & 
> "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting 
> Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor 
> Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website 
> www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931
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>
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> or the Board of Directors.
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> Courses, Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & 
> "Live" Equipment Demonstrations at the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting 
> Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor 
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From jgoverno at engr.uga.edu  Fri Feb 13 06:32:33 2009
From: jgoverno at engr.uga.edu (Jason Governo)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:32:33 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Searching for a Compost Turner
In-Reply-To: <000001c98d36$9146b390$b3d41ab0$@com>
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	<000001c98d36$9146b390$b3d41ab0$@com>
Message-ID: <025b01c98dd7$25a07e90$5d01a8c0@Home>

Hello All

I have a client that is looking for a good used turner, preferably a pull
behind model.  He is located in Georgia so the closer the proximity to our
part of the world, the better, but he is not limited if the deal is a good
one.

Please send or call me any information on any available turners that you
might know about.

Thanks for your time in this matter.
Sincerely
Jason Governo

Research Engineer
Engineering Outreach Service
University of Georgia
Driftmier Engineering Center
Athens, GA 30602
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From jziegenb at ieua.org  Fri Feb 13 10:34:36 2009
From: jziegenb at ieua.org (Jeff Ziegenbein)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:34:36 -0800
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
In-Reply-To: <2699253C7CCB4D439C1591DFC157A142@DanNoble>
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Anaerobic composting is what most of us try to avoid. We spend energy and resources turning and/or aerating to keep our piles from turning anaerobic is much as possible. Maybe the folks claiming to benefit from it are just giving up.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

Too late!  It's already in the industrial lexicon, like the word "organic". 
Again... Google it and see all the papers.
Dan, ACP, www.healthsoil.org

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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?


>I would ask this list whether anaerobic and compost are even compatible 
>words. Engineers usually use the term "Anaerobic Composting" to mean 
>"Anaerobic digestion". The term "anaerobic digestion" can then be reserved 
>for sewage, which everyone knows is bad. The problem with what is called 
>"anaerobic composting" is that anaerobic processes stink and produce a 
>product with very low pH, and containing phytotoxic chemicals.
>
> What the engineer was trying to describe is a product that is decomposed 
> in the absence of air. Currently, there is a process that has drawn a fair 
> amount of attention that involves anaerobic digestion with the collection 
> of methane to be used as a fuel, followed by mixing with a bulking agent 
> like wood chips and aerobic composting. This process can result in an 
> acceptable product if the odor problems at the beginning of the composting 
> process can be dealt with.
>
> Don Lewis
> Compost Coordinator
> Maryland Department of Agriculture
> 50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
> Annapolis, MD 21401
> Tel. # 410-841-2721
>
>>>> "Myron Hirschman" <hirschsys at aol.com> 2/12/2009 12:23 PM >>>
> I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the 
> community.
> Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
> the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant 
> systems
> that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree 
> with
> his use of the terms).
>
> Please educate me.
> What is anaerobic composting?
>
> Thanks
> Myron H
> myron at hirschsystems.com
>
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From jziegenb at ieua.org  Fri Feb 13 10:38:34 2009
From: jziegenb at ieua.org (Jeff Ziegenbein)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:38:34 -0800
Subject: [USCC] Ambient temperatures and biofilter performance
Message-ID: <67B738AC3B1E0744AAC1B3E214119BBBA75A257F@IEUA-MX01.IEUA.ORG>

Has anyone heard of literature relating ambient temperatures and biofilter performance? I understand that extreme heat may drive temps up out of optimal but wonder if there is evidence that cooler weather improves performance.

Jeff Ziegenbein
Deputy Manager of Operations and Organics
Inland Empire Regional Composting Authority
(909) 993-1981 office
(909) 573-6190 cell
jziegenbein at ieua.org<mailto:jziegenbein at ieua.org>
P Think of the environment before printing.


From alexassoc at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 13 10:49:10 2009
From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (alexassoc@earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:49:10 -0500
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
In-Reply-To: <2451B02719BE4BFD99A902FC74BD00E4@LAPTOP>
References: <49902DFF.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us>	<20090209222223.D5675B9D0C6@mx1.cloudnet.com>	<000001c98d36$9146b390$b3d41ab0$@com>
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Hello Compost World,
Anaerobic composting is a term I hear a lot in Europe. It is a misnomer as
far as I can see. It comes from the developing anaerobic digestion industry
> basically, people trying to relate AD to thermophilic composting (which is
much more commonplace and understood). We really need to stop using this
term, and simply educate better about AD.
Ron


 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 PM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

Myron (and colleagues):

A few years ago, a man in Boone, NC tried to advocate anaerobic composting.
What he was doing was building a compacted mound of sawdust (~ 20' H x 50' W
x 100' L or so) and then excavating rectangular holes (think "graves") and
emplacing livestock mortality in the holes.  He'd cover them back up with
sawdust, compact it again, and let it rot for several years.  He then
harvested entombed remains and offered the "compost" for sale. 

I have seen this operation four times since 1998 and I will say the "system"
worked, as his compost was completely decomposed mortality compost and he
was selling it readily.  I believe the sawdust was so densely packed around
the mortalities that there was no way oxygen could have gotten in to
facilitate aerobic composting.  There was no leachate (due, I'd imagine, to
the sheer depth of sawdust).  

Unfortunately (or, fortunately, depending on one's point of view) the State
of NC shut him down in 2008 for failure to get a solid waste composting
permit as the site was within the required 50' setback from his property
line.

Craig 

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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Myron Hirschman
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:23 PM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the community.
Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant systems
that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree with
his use of the terms).

Please educate me.
What is anaerobic composting?

Thanks
Myron H
myron at hirschsystems.com

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From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us  Fri Feb 13 11:14:15 2009
From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:14:15 -0600
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
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I agree it is a misnomer. Whenever anyone uses the term "anaerobic composting," we should say, "Oh, you mean anaerobic digestion?" 
 
It is very common to compost the residue or "sludge" from anaerobic digestion, but the digestion itself is not composting.
 
P   Please consider whether it is necessary to print this e-mail
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Fax:  512-239-4410
wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us 
 


>>> <alexassoc at earthlink.net> 2/13/2009 10:49 AM >>>
Hello Compost World,
Anaerobic composting is a term I hear a lot in Europe. It is a misnomer as
far as I can see. It comes from the developing anaerobic digestion industry
> basically, people trying to relate AD to thermophilic composting (which is
much more commonplace and understood). We really need to stop using this
term, and simply educate better about AD.
Ron




-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 PM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

Myron (and colleagues):

A few years ago, a man in Boone, NC tried to advocate anaerobic composting.
What he was doing was building a compacted mound of sawdust (~ 20' H x 50' W
x 100' L or so) and then excavating rectangular holes (think "graves") and
emplacing livestock mortality in the holes.  He'd cover them back up with
sawdust, compact it again, and let it rot for several years.  He then
harvested entombed remains and offered the "compost" for sale. 

I have seen this operation four times since 1998 and I will say the "system"
worked, as his compost was completely decomposed mortality compost and he
was selling it readily.  I believe the sawdust was so densely packed around
the mortalities that there was no way oxygen could have gotten in to
facilitate aerobic composting.  There was no leachate (due, I'd imagine, to
the sheer depth of sawdust).  

Unfortunately (or, fortunately, depending on one's point of view) the State
of NC shut him down in 2008 for failure to get a solid waste composting
permit as the site was within the required 50' setback from his property
line.

Craig 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Myron Hirschman
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:23 PM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the community.
Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant systems
that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree with
his use of the terms).

Please educate me.
What is anaerobic composting?

Thanks
Myron H
myron at hirschsystems.com 

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From s.cook at ccpeat.com  Fri Feb 13 12:22:51 2009
From: s.cook at ccpeat.com (Stephen Cook)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:22:51 -0500
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
In-Reply-To: <49955607.FFDC.0044.0@tceq.state.tx.us>
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I am not so sure the term "anaerobic composting" is a misnomer.  I started a
compost facility many years ago in order to reduce our mining of peat from
wetland environments.  The horticultural industry has considered peat to be
"compost" for many generations.  In college I was taught that both
humanization (aerobic) and purification (anaerobic) were composting.
Purification is a process in which anaerobic microorganisms break down
proteins.  Why would we not consider anaerobic microorganisms breaking down
organic substances as "composting"? It all depends on your point of view.

Stephen M. Cook
C&C Peat Co., Inc.
1650 CR470
Okahumpka, FL 34762
(o) 352-323-8213
(f) 352-365-0367
s.cook at ccpeat.com

-----Original Message-----
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Carter
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:14 PM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

I agree it is a misnomer. Whenever anyone uses the term "anaerobic
composting," we should say, "Oh, you mean anaerobic digestion?" 
 
It is very common to compost the residue or "sludge" from anaerobic
digestion, but the digestion itself is not composting.
 
P   Please consider whether it is necessary to print this e-mail
Bill Carter
Nonpoint Source Team    MC 203
Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
P.O. Box 13087
Austin, TX  78711-3087
Phone:  512-239-6771
Fax:  512-239-4410
wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us 
 


>>> <alexassoc at earthlink.net> 2/13/2009 10:49 AM >>>
Hello Compost World,
Anaerobic composting is a term I hear a lot in Europe. It is a misnomer as
far as I can see. It comes from the developing anaerobic digestion industry
> basically, people trying to relate AD to thermophilic composting (which is
much more commonplace and understood). We really need to stop using this
term, and simply educate better about AD.
Ron




-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 PM
To: 'Compost Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

Myron (and colleagues):

A few years ago, a man in Boone, NC tried to advocate anaerobic composting.
What he was doing was building a compacted mound of sawdust (~ 20' H x 50' W
x 100' L or so) and then excavating rectangular holes (think "graves") and
emplacing livestock mortality in the holes.  He'd cover them back up with
sawdust, compact it again, and let it rot for several years.  He then
harvested entombed remains and offered the "compost" for sale. 

I have seen this operation four times since 1998 and I will say the "system"
worked, as his compost was completely decomposed mortality compost and he
was selling it readily.  I believe the sawdust was so densely packed around
the mortalities that there was no way oxygen could have gotten in to
facilitate aerobic composting.  There was no leachate (due, I'd imagine, to
the sheer depth of sawdust).  

Unfortunately (or, fortunately, depending on one's point of view) the State
of NC shut him down in 2008 for failure to get a solid waste composting
permit as the site was within the required 50' setback from his property
line.

Craig 

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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Myron Hirschman
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Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the community.
Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant systems
that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree with
his use of the terms).

Please educate me.
What is anaerobic composting?

Thanks
Myron H
myron at hirschsystems.com 

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From dan at resourcetrends.com  Fri Feb 13 12:23:26 2009
From: dan at resourcetrends.com (Dan Noble)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:23:26 -0800
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
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Hi Jeff,

No, I don't believe the folks claiming benefiting from anaerobic composting 
are just giving up, rather they're using it in an engineered process... and 
I agree, it may be a "misnomer", but the terms are already out there, 
attempting to describe an actual, bona fide organics treatment train.  Like 
in the case of Kompogas.com, it's a two stage process.  The first stage 
(anaerobic composting) is not a "mistake", but rather is in a closed 
container, but in a wet pile (sometimes rotated/mixed), but the methane that 
is produced is captured and either stored and piped, or cleaned and used to 
produce electricity in gas turbines onsite (just like "normal" anaerobic 
digestion (AD)).  The digestate (what's left over from the anaerobic phase) 
is then composted "normally" in an aerobic phase, typically mixed with an 
additional carbon source (bulking agent), I believe.  So that's about all I 
know... you've exhausted my meager knowledge on the subject.

As you and others on this email list have pointed out... it may be a 
misnomer (i.e. simply "bad composting"... since, by definition, composting 
IS, or should be(!), an aerobic process.  Maybe it would be better called 
"less wet AD" or "dry AD" or some such.  Of course it's not really "dry" 
since I believe it's still about 20-30% solids... compared to typical single 
stage AD which is about 5-10% solids/water, right?  But the physical state 
is not so much a slurry, like normal AD, but more like a very wet compost 
pile, I believe (particle size obviously factors into this.  Imagine food 
and green waste together, where you have more food waste (wet, more 
nitrogen) than green waste (dryer more carbon).  Whereas aerobic composting 
is between more or less about 50%, right?  But again, it would be better for 
someone else who really understands this more than me to chime in and 
explain this further... now's a chance!

My only purpose for piping up was to point out that these technologies ARE 
being used successfully for years in Europe and are now starting to come to 
the US.  For me, the idea of getting BOTH energy AND composted soil 
amendments is very interesting and I believe that our US Composting industry 
should at least stay open to the idea and, better, investigate it further. 
Maybe some of you have seen presentations by these companies (I saw them at 
our local/annual PORS, Pacific-southwest Organics Residuals Symposium a 
couple of years ago). So rather than dismiss it as not "real" or "quality" 
composting, my belief is that we need to understand the important interface 
between anerobic and aerobic processes in both our slurries as well as piles 
and then determine (via total/local life cycle analysis) which processes and 
markets are best for our "net environmental/financial benefits" in our local 
communities.

Sincerely,
Dan

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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?


> Anaerobic composting is what most of us try to avoid. We spend energy and 
> resources turning and/or aerating to keep our piles from turning anaerobic 
> is much as possible. Maybe the folks claiming to benefit from it are just 
> giving up.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Dan Noble
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:37 PM
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> Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
>
> Too late!  It's already in the industrial lexicon, like the word 
> "organic".
> Again... Google it and see all the papers.
> Dan, ACP, www.healthsoil.org
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Donald Lewis" <LewisDV at mda.state.md.us>
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> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
>
>
>>I would ask this list whether anaerobic and compost are even compatible
>>words. Engineers usually use the term "Anaerobic Composting" to mean
>>"Anaerobic digestion". The term "anaerobic digestion" can then be reserved
>>for sewage, which everyone knows is bad. The problem with what is called
>>"anaerobic composting" is that anaerobic processes stink and produce a
>>product with very low pH, and containing phytotoxic chemicals.
>>
>> What the engineer was trying to describe is a product that is decomposed
>> in the absence of air. Currently, there is a process that has drawn a 
>> fair
>> amount of attention that involves anaerobic digestion with the collection
>> of methane to be used as a fuel, followed by mixing with a bulking agent
>> like wood chips and aerobic composting. This process can result in an
>> acceptable product if the odor problems at the beginning of the 
>> composting
>> process can be dealt with.
>>
>> Don Lewis
>> Compost Coordinator
>> Maryland Department of Agriculture
>> 50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
>> Annapolis, MD 21401
>> Tel. # 410-841-2721
>>
>>>>> "Myron Hirschman" <hirschsys at aol.com> 2/12/2009 12:23 PM >>>
>> I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the
>> community.
>> Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
>> the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant
>> systems
>> that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree
>> with
>> his use of the terms).
>>
>> Please educate me.
>> What is anaerobic composting?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Myron H
>> myron at hirschsystems.com
>>
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From dmhill at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 14:20:09 2009
From: dmhill at aol.com (dmhill@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:20:09 -0500
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
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 Myron and list serve members,



It sounds like a term used either by a misinformed speaker or someone unknowledgeable about composting. Composting is, by most industry definitions, an aerobic process. Unfortunately, there is no "legal" definition for composting, thereby distiguishing between "composting" and any number of digestion, fermentation or decompostiion processes. As a consequence, the everyday citizen is like the story of the seven blind men describing what each perceived the elephant to be.





Anaerobic composting is a misnomer (and an oxymoron) but no more so than vermicompost or High Temperature Liquid Composting (HTLC), neither of which are actually composting.



David Hill

CycleLogic











 











 







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Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?



















I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the community.







Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have







the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant systems







that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree with







his use of the terms).















Please educate me.







What is anaerobic composting?















Thanks







Myron H







myron at hirschsystems.com















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Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & 







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the Disney/Reedy Creek Composting Facility. Conference Highlights & Program, 







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From gbrec at comcast.net  Tue Feb 17 13:56:46 2009
From: gbrec at comcast.net (Gary Bright)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:56:46 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Landfill methane
Message-ID: <20090217195648.C6D1CD5F90B@mx1.cloudnet.com>

I once read in a Composting Council message about the fact only 10% of
landfill methane

is captured when the waste industry uses post-closure methods to collect gas
for reuse.

Can anyone re-enlighten me on details that I can reference and copy relating
to that

precise information ??     Thanks in advance.  Gary Bright.  Odor One LLC


From wfbr17 at woodsend.org  Tue Feb 17 18:49:50 2009
From: wfbr17 at woodsend.org (Will Brinton)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0500
Subject: [USCC] "Anaerobic Composting"
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I sincerely doubt if Europeans have used the term "anaerobic composting" 
unless its an American-English mistranslation
or something from the UK. It was (unscientifically) patented, though, in 
the USA, in North Carolina, as Craig alludes to.

I do agree we shouldn't use the term while we should educate ourselves 
that 50-75% of bacteria performing
composting are facultative anaerobes functioning episodically aerobic. 
When aeration is limited these all important organisms "fill in" the 
metabolic activity of carbon transformation, keeping the process going. 
So "aerobic composting" is something of a biological misnomer too.

Will Brinton

>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Ambient temperatures and biofilter performance (Jeff Ziegenbein)
>   2. Re: What is anaerobic composting? (alexassoc at earthlink.net)
>   3. Re: What is anaerobic composting? (William (Bill) Carter)
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> [USCC] Ambient temperatures and biofilter performance
> From:
> Jeff Ziegenbein <jziegenb at ieua.org>
> Date:
> Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:38:34 -0800
> To:
> 'Compost Discussion List' <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
>
> To:
> 'Compost Discussion List' <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
>
>
>Has anyone heard of literature relating ambient temperatures and biofilter performance? I understand that extreme heat may drive temps up out of optimal but wonder if there is evidence that cooler weather improves performance.
>
>Jeff Ziegenbein
>Deputy Manager of Operations and Organics
>Inland Empire Regional Composting Authority
>(909) 993-1981 office
>(909) 573-6190 cell
>jziegenbein at ieua.org<mailto:jziegenbein at ieua.org>
>P Think of the environment before printing.
>
>
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>llo Compost World,
>Anaerobic composting is a term I hear a lot in Europe. It is a misnomer as
>far as I can see. It comes from the developing anaerobic digestion industry
>  
>
>>basically, people trying to relate AD to thermophilic composting (which is
>>    
>>
>much more commonplace and understood). We really need to stop using this
>term, and simply educate better about AD.
>Ron
>
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
>[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
>Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 PM
>To: 'Compost Discussion List'
>Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
>
>Myron (and colleagues):
>
>A few years ago, a man in Boone, NC tried to advocate anaerobic composting.
>What he was doing was building a compacted mound of sawdust (~ 20' H x 50' W
>x 100' L or so) and then excavating rectangular holes (think "graves") and
>emplacing livestock mortality in the holes.  He'd cover them back up with
>sawdust, compact it again, and let it rot for several years.  He then
>harvested entombed remains and offered the "compost" for sale. 
>
>I have seen this operation four times since 1998 and I will say the "system"
>worked, as his compost was completely decomposed mortality compost and he
>was selling it readily.  I believe the sawdust was so densely packed around
>the mortalities that there was no way oxygen could have gotten in to
>facilitate aerobic composting.  There was no leachate (due, I'd imagine, to
>the sheer depth of sawdust).  
>
>Unfortunately (or, fortunately, depending on one's point of view) the State
>of NC shut him down in 2008 for failure to get a solid waste composting
>permit as the site was within the required 50' setback from his property
>line.
>
>Craig 
>
>  
>
-- 
William F Brinton Ph.D
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Mt Vernon MAINE USA 04352
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From cscoker at verizon.net  Thu Feb 19 03:26:10 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:26:10 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Compost test methods - plant growth and weed propagule
	testing
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Colleagues: can anyone help this fellow, please? (this came to me courtesy
of Jim Smith at USEPA):

 

I have been advised to contact you by Rick Stevens in relation to the
following enquiry. My company, wca environment, has been commissioned by
WRAP in the UK to investigate possible alternative methods to the plant
growth/weed propagule tests currently used in the UK PAS100 specification
for compost. We are investigating possible sources of information around the
world, such as the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa as
well as in mainland Europe. I believe you are an expert in this field. Is
there anything you can help me with in this regard? I believe that the TMECC
is the standard for this type of analysis in the US? Is this the case? Are
there any alternative methods you would recommend we investigate?

 

I hope you will be able to help me. Many thanks for your time.

 

Best wishes

 

Tony Chapman

 

Antony Chapman PhD

Senior Consultant/Consultor Medio Ambiental WCA Environment Ltd c/ La Vega 6
bajo Pola de Laviana 33980 Asturias Espana/Spain

0034 693249195

Tony.Chapman at wca-environment.co.uk

 

 

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From dmau461 at ECY.WA.GOV  Mon Feb 23 14:08:41 2009
From: dmau461 at ECY.WA.GOV (Maurer, Dawn (ECY))
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:08:41 -0800
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
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Just a clarification for David Hill - some states do have a legal definition of composting. Washington State is one of them, and defines composting as a controlled, aerobic process. Other forms of treatment of organic waste may have many benefits, but cannot legally be called composting here.


Dawn Marie Maurer 
Facilities Specialist
Washington State Department of Ecology 
Northwest Regional Office 
3190 160th AVE SE 
Bellevue, Wa 98008 
425 649 7192 
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From uscc-ginny at att.net  Mon Feb 23 18:46:39 2009
From: uscc-ginny at att.net (uscc-ginny@att.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:39 +0000
Subject: [USCC] FW: US EPA Region 5 Host Webinar - Compost Stormwater Best
	Management Practices - Promoting Them to Composters
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Compost Stormwater Best Management Practices - Promoting Them to the 
Compost Industry 

-Please feel free to circulate- 

US EPA Region 5 invites you to participate in a webinar on the 
innovative aspects of using compost as a stormwater best management 
practice (BMP) on March 10, 2009 from 11:00 - 12:30 PM Central. 
Registration will be limited. 

This webinar is focused on how composters have entered the market for 
stormwater compost. We are looking forward to a collaborative 
discussion with four distinguished speakers, see bios below. Webinar 
attendees will learn about the US Composting Council's Seal of 
Testing Assurance Program and details on compost specifications, as 
well as hear from a composter that is making compost to be applied as 
a stormwater BMP and compost BMP users that purchase compost and used 
the BMPs. The webinar will also feature a short introduction to 
compost and the compost-based stormwater BMPs, as well as 
opportunities for questions. 

This webinar is one of a series of webinars that the EPA Region 5 is 
hosting to support the use of these BMPs, and thus increase the 
recycling of organic waste materials. The next webinar, tentatively 
scheduled for May, will provide information about how the erosion 
control and landscaping industries have used the compost BMPs to 
improve stormwater management. 

You can view the compost BMPs at 
http://cfpub.epa.gov/npdes/stormwater/menuofbmps/index.cfm and enter 
'compost' into the 'search BMPs' line. For additional information on 
the BMPs visit: 

http://www.epa.gov/reg5rcra/wptdiv/solidwaste/recycle/compost/roundtable 
.htm 
. 

Registration Information: 

Topic: Compost Stormwater Best Management Practices - Promoting Them 
to Consumers 
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 
Time: 11:00 am, Central Standard Time (GMT -06:00, Chicago) 

To register for this meeting 
------------------------------------------------------- 
1. Go to 
https://srameeting.webex.com/srameeting/j.php?ED=96542147&RG=1&UID=0 
2. Register for the meeting. 

Once the host approves your request, you will receive a confirmation 
email with instructions for joining the meeting. 

Note: If you already registered for this meeting, you do not need to 
register again. 

------------------------------------------------------- 
For assistance 
------------------------------------------------------- 
1. Go to https://srameeting.webex.com/srameeting/mc 
2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". 

You can contact me at: 
mark_vogelgesang at sra.com 
1-703-284-3206 

Information on the speakers: 

Al Rattie 
Principal 
AR Consulting 

Al has been involved in the US composting industry since 1981, when 
he co-founded EarthLife Sales, a privately owned company specializing 
in compost marketing. Earthlife Sales became the largest marketer of 
compost on the east coast, representing all major producers from 
Philadelphia through Washington, DC. Al is currently the principal of 
AR Consulting, which specializes in marketing program development and 
implementation, marketing education and communication and project 
management for all types of organic recycling. He is also the 
Administrative/Technical Manager of the US Composting Council's Seal 
of Testing Assurance Program and editor of the USCC newsletter. 
Mr. Rattie is a graduate of Penn State and the University of 
Maryland's "Better Composting School". 



Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED AP 
Director of Research & Technical Services 
Filtrexx International 

Dr. Britt Faucette is a Research Ecologist, Certified Professional 
Erosion & Sediment Control (CPESC), and Leadership in Energy and 
Environmental Design Accredited Professional (LEED AP), and serves as 
the Director of Research and Technical Services for Filtrexx 
International. He has a PhD in Ecology from the University of 
Georgia where he researched soil-water-plant performances of various 
BMPs used in erosion and sediment control applications. Britt serves 
on technical committees with the American Society of Test Methods 
(ASTM), International Erosion Control Association (IECA), and Erosion 
Control Technical Council (ECTC) to create and evaluate new erosion 
and sediment control standard test methods and design criteria for 
BMPs. He is currently involved in 10 university and federal agency 
research projects evaluating the performance of various storm water 
management technologies. He has contributed to 10 peer-reviewed and 
many popular publications on organic materials used for storm water 
management applications and regularly reviews related research 
manuscripts for scientific journals including the Journal of 
Environmental Quality, Journal of Soil and Water Conservation, and 
the Transactions of the American Society of Agricultural Engineers. 
Britt has worked with foreign governments, taught graduate students, 
and/or consulted on compost and storm water related projects in 12 
countries. 


Ginny Black 
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency 

Ginny Black is an Organics Recycling Specialist with the Minnesota 
Pollution Control Agency. Ginny serves on the Board of Directors of 
the U.S. Composting Council and is the communications chair. In her 
job, Ginny provides technical assistance to compost facility 
operators and promotes market for finished compost. She provides 
education to citizens to help them make informed decisions and take 
actions that conserve resources and prevent pollution to benefit the 
environment, economy, and society. She is the primary contact for 
organics including woods waste, composting education and compliance, 
and technical assistance for organic management facilities. She will 
be responsible for educating participants on the condition of 
recycling in the Midwest and the available compost quality assurance 
programs. 


Sharon Barnes 
Vice-President 
Barnes Nursery, Inc. 

Sharon Barnes has worked at Barnes Nursery for 40 years in every 
aspect of the company's integrated horticultural services. The last 
19 years she has spent almost exclusively in the research, 
development and operations of Barnes Regional Composting Facility. 
Sharon's projects have included site development, equipment 
procurement, municipal contracting, end product development, 
horticultural sales, new feedstock permitting, bio-remediation 
projects, and public relations. Sharon emphasizes and facilitates 
project work that removes valuable organic materials from landfills 
including industrial residuals, "waste" from food manufacturing 
plants, grocery stores and restaurants and processes these feedstocks 
into high performance soil amendments. The new engineered soils and 
soil products have opened new markets for the company and are 
contributing to a positive impact on its environmental performance 
and overall bottom line financial picture. 




For more information contact: 
Chris Newman 
U.S. EPA Region 5 
Phone: 312/353-8402 
email: newman.christopherm at epa.gov 

From LewisDV at mda.state.md.us  Tue Feb 24 08:46:11 2009
From: LewisDV at mda.state.md.us (Donald Lewis)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:46:11 -0500
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
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Hi, All,
 
I have only a little to add to the discussion. My first point is that anaerobic digestion by itself results in a "Stinking mess" to quote many people who have been exposed to sewage sludge over the years. Yes, I knopw that it is supposed to be called "Biosolids", but I am at an age where I am usually accorded some latitude in my use of vocabulary. We should all think of that really objectionable (to humans) odor. However, I well remember the production of Compro by D. M. Hill's group at the Washington Suburban Sanitary Commission site in Montgomery County, MD, and Orgro, produced by the Veolia Company under agreement with Baltimore, MD. Both of these products start with the solids remaining after the anaerobic digestion of sewage, followed by aerobic decomposition of a mixture of the sludge and wood chips used primarily for bulking. The resulting products have been used in some VERY high visibility projects in the Baltimore-Washington Corridor. 
 
Because of our experience with these two products, Maryland defines "Compost" as the product of the Aerobic digestion of organic material. This distinction needs to be remembered lest the market for compost disappear because of the negative association of anaerobic decomposition with objectionable odors and phytotoxic compounds.
 
DOnald V. Lewis 
Compost Coordinator 
State Chemist Section
Maryland Department of Agriculture
50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 20401
Ph. 410-841-2721

>>> "Dan Noble" <dan at resourcetrends.com> 2/13/2009 1:23 PM >>>
Hi Jeff,

No, I don't believe the folks claiming benefiting from anaerobic composting 
are just giving up, rather they're using it in an engineered process... and 
I agree, it may be a "misnomer", but the terms are already out there, 
attempting to describe an actual, bona fide organics treatment train.  Like 
in the case of Kompogas.com, it's a two stage process.  The first stage 
(anaerobic composting) is not a "mistake", but rather is in a closed 
container, but in a wet pile (sometimes rotated/mixed), but the methane that 
is produced is captured and either stored and piped, or cleaned and used to 
produce electricity in gas turbines onsite (just like "normal" anaerobic 
digestion (AD)).  The digestate (what's left over from the anaerobic phase) 
is then composted "normally" in an aerobic phase, typically mixed with an 
additional carbon source (bulking agent), I believe.  So that's about all I 
know... you've exhausted my meager knowledge on the subject.

As you and others on this email list have pointed out... it may be a 
misnomer (i.e. simply "bad composting"... since, by definition, composting 
IS, or should be(!), an aerobic process.  Maybe it would be better called 
"less wet AD" or "dry AD" or some such.  Of course it's not really "dry" 
since I believe it's still about 20-30% solids... compared to typical single 
stage AD which is about 5-10% solids/water, right?  But the physical state 
is not so much a slurry, like normal AD, but more like a very wet compost 
pile, I believe (particle size obviously factors into this.  Imagine food 
and green waste together, where you have more food waste (wet, more 
nitrogen) than green waste (dryer more carbon).  Whereas aerobic composting 
is between more or less about 50%, right?  But again, it would be better for 
someone else who really understands this more than me to chime in and 
explain this further... now's a chance!

My only purpose for piping up was to point out that these technologies ARE 
being used successfully for years in Europe and are now starting to come to 
the US.  For me, the idea of getting BOTH energy AND composted soil 
amendments is very interesting and I believe that our US Composting industry 
should at least stay open to the idea and, better, investigate it further. 
Maybe some of you have seen presentations by these companies (I saw them at 
our local/annual PORS, Pacific-southwest Organics Residuals Symposium a 
couple of years ago). So rather than dismiss it as not "real" or "quality" 
composting, my belief is that we need to understand the important interface 
between anerobic and aerobic processes in both our slurries as well as piles 
and then determine (via total/local life cycle analysis) which processes and 
markets are best for our "net environmental/financial benefits" in our local 
communities.

Sincerely,
Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Ziegenbein" <jziegenb at ieua.org>
To: "'Compost Discussion List'" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?


> Anaerobic composting is what most of us try to avoid. We spend energy and 
> resources turning and/or aerating to keep our piles from turning anaerobic 
> is much as possible. Maybe the folks claiming to benefit from it are just 
> giving up.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com 
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Dan Noble
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:37 PM
> To: Compost Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
>
> Too late!  It's already in the industrial lexicon, like the word 
> "organic".
> Again... Google it and see all the papers.
> Dan, ACP, www.healthsoil.org 
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Donald Lewis" <LewisDV at mda.state.md.us>
> To: "'Compost Discussion List'" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
>
>
>>I would ask this list whether anaerobic and compost are even compatible
>>words. Engineers usually use the term "Anaerobic Composting" to mean
>>"Anaerobic digestion". The term "anaerobic digestion" can then be reserved
>>for sewage, which everyone knows is bad. The problem with what is called
>>"anaerobic composting" is that anaerobic processes stink and produce a
>>product with very low pH, and containing phytotoxic chemicals.
>>
>> What the engineer was trying to describe is a product that is decomposed
>> in the absence of air. Currently, there is a process that has drawn a 
>> fair
>> amount of attention that involves anaerobic digestion with the collection
>> of methane to be used as a fuel, followed by mixing with a bulking agent
>> like wood chips and aerobic composting. This process can result in an
>> acceptable product if the odor problems at the beginning of the 
>> composting
>> process can be dealt with.
>>
>> Don Lewis
>> Compost Coordinator
>> Maryland Department of Agriculture
>> 50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
>> Annapolis, MD 21401
>> Tel. # 410-841-2721
>>
>>>>> "Myron Hirschman" <hirschsys at aol.com> 2/12/2009 12:23 PM >>>
>> I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the
>> community.
>> Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
>> the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant
>> systems
>> that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree
>> with
>> his use of the terms).
>>
>> Please educate me.
>> What is anaerobic composting?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Myron H
>> myron at hirschsystems.com 
>>
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From cscoker at verizon.net  Tue Feb 24 10:49:33 2009
From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:49:33 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Used Turner Available
Message-ID: <32B3F10607E74EB394C3AC993EBB15B1@LAPTOP>

Backhus 14.28-D, 2006 model, 21 operating hours

Fully Self Propelled Compost Turner for Windrows

 

?           Windrow Width up to:     8?

?           Windrow Height up to:    4?

?           Windrow cross-section up to:      2.3 Cubic Yards (dump angle
approx. 45?)

?           Grain size up to:            6?

?           Working capacity:          523 Cubic Yards / Hour

?           Engine: Cummins A1400 Water Cooled

?           Cylinders           3

?           Horsepower:      31 Horsepower @ 2,800 RPM

?           Electrical:          (3) phase generator, 12Volt

?           Battery: 12 Volt, 63 Amp Hour

?           Fuel Tank:         8 Gallon

?           Drum Diameter:             27.6?

 

?           Dimensions in working position:

Width:   9.7?

Depth:   5.7?

Height:  5.5?

 

?           Dimensions in transporting position:

Width:   3.8?

Depth:   5.7?

Height:  5.5?

 

?           Turning Radius:  64?

?           Weight approx.: 2,138 Pounds

 

Please contact me if you?d like pictures or more information.  The machine
is located in southern Delaware.

 

Craig Coker ? Coker Composting & Consulting

1213 Spradlin Rd., Vinton, VA 24179

Tel.: (540) 890-1086, Fax: (540) 890-1087

Cell: (540) 874-5168, Email: cscoker at verizon.net

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From sreil at safelawns.net  Tue Feb 24 11:22:36 2009
From: sreil at safelawns.net (Scott Reil)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:22:36 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?
In-Reply-To: <49902DFF.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us>
References: <4487.76.226.134.3.1233953958.squirrel@webmail.msen.com>
	<49902DFF.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us>
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Greetings

Simply offering a second to Don's post and some additional information on
the coal ash question, which raises another...

http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/1144/

Do we want to associate the compost industry with this component and the
toxin issues it raises? My vote would be no...


Scott Reil
Safe Lawns and Landscapes LLC
70 Highland Park Drive
Bloomfield CT 06002
860-243-8733



-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Donald Lewis
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:22 PM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: Re: [USCC] Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?

Hi, Y'All
 
The statement that coal ash is not regulated by the EPA seems to me to be
unlikely. I bet that the truth is that EPA has regulatory authority but has
been prevented by previous administrations from setting heavy metal limits
and total loading rates sufficient to adequately protect the environment and
the public.
 
The statement that it has been left to the States with disastrous results
is, at best, misleading. States are willing to do the job, but without
better guidance from the Federals, there is an almost inevitable patchwork
of competing regulations. The other problem is that States are subject to
the same political pressures that caused the administration to hamstring the
EPA in the first place. After all, no one wants to pay extra for their
electricity.
 
Turning the stuff into concrete seems to be a really good solution.
 
Don Lewis
Compost Coordinator
Maryland Department of Agriculture
50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 21401
 
Ph. 410-841-2721


>>> "Lowell Prag" <lprag at mail.msen.com> 2/6/2009 3:59 PM >>>
Greetings,

Very informative article:

Is Coal Ash in Soil a Good Idea?

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-in-soil 

Regards,

Lowell Prag


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From jziegenb at ieua.org  Tue Feb 24 21:29:35 2009
From: jziegenb at ieua.org (Jeff Ziegenbein)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:29:35 -0800
Subject: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
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I will need some follow up on your description of why it would be beneficial to boost up the anaerobic process with carbon. Normally, we digest with a very low C:N so adding bulking agents, especially carboneous ones seems counter intuitive to me. I would like to know more about this as we at the IEUA are looking into alternative uses for some of our digestion projects. We have lots of substrates available so any information is appreciated. Thanks

Jeff Ziegenbein
Deputy Manager of operations and Organics Management
Inland Empire Utilities Agency
909-993-1981

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Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?

Hi, All,

I have only a little to add to the discussion. My first point is that anaerobic digestion by itself results in a "Stinking mess" to quote many people who have been exposed to sewage sludge over the years. Yes, I knopw that it is supposed to be called "Biosolids", but I am at an age where I am usually accorded some latitude in my use of vocabulary. We should all think of that really objectionable (to humans) odor. However, I well remember the production of Compro by D. M. Hill's group at the Washington Suburban Sanitary Commission site in Montgomery County, MD, and Orgro, produced by the Veolia Company under agreement with Baltimore, MD. Both of these products start with the solids remaining after the anaerobic digestion of sewage, followed by aerobic decomposition of a mixture of the sludge and wood chips used primarily for bulking. The resulting products have been used in some VERY high visibility projects in the Baltimore-Washington Corridor.

Because of our experience with these two products, Maryland defines "Compost" as the product of the Aerobic digestion of organic material. This distinction needs to be remembered lest the market for compost disappear because of the negative association of anaerobic decomposition with objectionable odors and phytotoxic compounds.

DOnald V. Lewis
Compost Coordinator
State Chemist Section
Maryland Department of Agriculture
50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 20401
Ph. 410-841-2721

>>> "Dan Noble" <dan at resourcetrends.com> 2/13/2009 1:23 PM >>>
Hi Jeff,

No, I don't believe the folks claiming benefiting from anaerobic composting
are just giving up, rather they're using it in an engineered process... and
I agree, it may be a "misnomer", but the terms are already out there,
attempting to describe an actual, bona fide organics treatment train.  Like
in the case of Kompogas.com, it's a two stage process.  The first stage
(anaerobic composting) is not a "mistake", but rather is in a closed
container, but in a wet pile (sometimes rotated/mixed), but the methane that
is produced is captured and either stored and piped, or cleaned and used to
produce electricity in gas turbines onsite (just like "normal" anaerobic
digestion (AD)).  The digestate (what's left over from the anaerobic phase)
is then composted "normally" in an aerobic phase, typically mixed with an
additional carbon source (bulking agent), I believe.  So that's about all I
know... you've exhausted my meager knowledge on the subject.

As you and others on this email list have pointed out... it may be a
misnomer (i.e. simply "bad composting"... since, by definition, composting
IS, or should be(!), an aerobic process.  Maybe it would be better called
"less wet AD" or "dry AD" or some such.  Of course it's not really "dry"
since I believe it's still about 20-30% solids... compared to typical single
stage AD which is about 5-10% solids/water, right?  But the physical state
is not so much a slurry, like normal AD, but more like a very wet compost
pile, I believe (particle size obviously factors into this.  Imagine food
and green waste together, where you have more food waste (wet, more
nitrogen) than green waste (dryer more carbon).  Whereas aerobic composting
is between more or less about 50%, right?  But again, it would be better for
someone else who really understands this more than me to chime in and
explain this further... now's a chance!

My only purpose for piping up was to point out that these technologies ARE
being used successfully for years in Europe and are now starting to come to
the US.  For me, the idea of getting BOTH energy AND composted soil
amendments is very interesting and I believe that our US Composting industry
should at least stay open to the idea and, better, investigate it further.
Maybe some of you have seen presentations by these companies (I saw them at
our local/annual PORS, Pacific-southwest Organics Residuals Symposium a
couple of years ago). So rather than dismiss it as not "real" or "quality"
composting, my belief is that we need to understand the important interface
between anerobic and aerobic processes in both our slurries as well as piles
and then determine (via total/local life cycle analysis) which processes and
markets are best for our "net environmental/financial benefits" in our local
communities.

Sincerely,
Dan

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?


> Anaerobic composting is what most of us try to avoid. We spend energy and
> resources turning and/or aerating to keep our piles from turning anaerobic
> is much as possible. Maybe the folks claiming to benefit from it are just
> giving up.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Dan Noble
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:37 PM
> To: Compost Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
>
> Too late!  It's already in the industrial lexicon, like the word
> "organic".
> Again... Google it and see all the papers.
> Dan, ACP, www.healthsoil.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Lewis" <LewisDV at mda.state.md.us>
> To: "'Compost Discussion List'" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [USCC] What is anaerobic composting?
>
>
>>I would ask this list whether anaerobic and compost are even compatible
>>words. Engineers usually use the term "Anaerobic Composting" to mean
>>"Anaerobic digestion". The term "anaerobic digestion" can then be reserved
>>for sewage, which everyone knows is bad. The problem with what is called
>>"anaerobic composting" is that anaerobic processes stink and produce a
>>product with very low pH, and containing phytotoxic chemicals.
>>
>> What the engineer was trying to describe is a product that is decomposed
>> in the absence of air. Currently, there is a process that has drawn a
>> fair
>> amount of attention that involves anaerobic digestion with the collection
>> of methane to be used as a fuel, followed by mixing with a bulking agent
>> like wood chips and aerobic composting. This process can result in an
>> acceptable product if the odor problems at the beginning of the
>> composting
>> process can be dealt with.
>>
>> Don Lewis
>> Compost Coordinator
>> Maryland Department of Agriculture
>> 50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
>> Annapolis, MD 21401
>> Tel. # 410-841-2721
>>
>>>>> "Myron Hirschman" <hirschsys at aol.com> 2/12/2009 12:23 PM >>>
>> I was recently in a meeting discussing composting options for the
>> community.
>> Their engineer mentioned anaerobic composting as a system.  I didn't have
>> the opportunity to get that explained to me. I am guessing he meant
>> systems
>> that didn't have forced aeration ( if that is what he meant I disagree
>> with
>> his use of the terms).
>>
>> Please educate me.
>> What is anaerobic composting?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Myron H
>> myron at hirschsystems.com
>>
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From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us  Wed Feb 25 18:02:48 2009
From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:02:48 -0600
Subject: [USCC] Compost Stormwater Best Management Practices - Promoting
	Them	to the
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Forwarded from EPA.


Compost Stormwater Best Management Practices - Promoting Them to the
Compost Industry

                      -Please feel free to circulate-

   US EPA Region 5 invites you to participate in a webinar on the
   innovative aspects of using compost as a stormwater best management
   practice (BMP) on March 10, 2009 from 11:00 - 12:30 PM Central.
   Registration will be limited.

   This webinar is focused on how composters have entered the market
for
   stormwater compost. We are looking forward to a collaborative
   discussion with four distinguished speakers, see bios below. 
Webinar
   attendees will learn about the US Composting Council*s Seal of
   Testing Assurance Program and details on compost specifications, as
   well as hear from a composter that is making compost to be applied
as
   a stormwater BMP and compost BMP users that purchase compost and
used
   the BMPs. The webinar will also feature a short introduction to
   compost and the compost-based stormwater BMPs, as well as
   opportunities for questions.

   This webinar is one of a series of webinars that the EPA Region 5
is
   hosting to support the use of these BMPs, and thus increase the
   recycling of organic waste materials. The next webinar, tentatively
   scheduled for May, will provide information about how the erosion
   control and landscaping industries have used the compost BMPs to
   improve stormwater management.

   You can view the compost BMPs at
   http://cfpub.epa.gov/npdes/stormwater/menuofbmps/index.cfm and
enter
   *compost* into the *search BMPs* line. For additional
information on
   the BMPs visit:
  
http://www.epa.gov/reg5rcra/wptdiv/solidwaste/recycle/compost/roundtable.htm

   .

   Registration Information:

   Topic: Compost Stormwater Best Management Practices - Promoting
Them
   to Consumers
   Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009
   Time: 11:00 am, Central Standard Time (GMT -06:00, Chicago)

   To register for this meeting
   -------------------------------------------------------
   1. Go to
   https://srameeting.webex.com/srameeting/j.php?ED=96542147&RG=1&UID=0

   2. Register for the meeting.

   Once the host approves your request, you will receive a
confirmation
   email with instructions for joining the meeting.

   Note: If you already registered for this meeting, you do not need
to
   register again.

   -------------------------------------------------------
   For assistance
   -------------------------------------------------------
   1. Go to https://srameeting.webex.com/srameeting/mc 
   2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

   You can contact me at:
   mark_vogelgesang at sra.com 
   1-703-284-3206

   Information on the speakers:

   Al Rattie
   Principal
   AR Consulting

   Al has been involved in the US composting industry since 1981, when
   he co-founded EarthLife Sales, a privately owned company
specializing
   in compost marketing. Earthlife Sales became the largest marketer
of
   compost on the east coast, representing all major producers from
   Philadelphia through Washington, DC. Al is currently the principal
of
   AR Consulting, which specializes in marketing program development
and
   implementation, marketing education and communication and project
   management for all types of organic recycling. He is also the
   Administrative/Technical Manager of the US Composting Council*s
Seal
   of Testing Assurance Program and editor of the USCC newsletter.
   Mr. Rattie is a graduate of Penn State and the University of
   Maryland's "Better Composting School*.



   Dr. Britt Faucette, Ecologist, CPESC, LEED AP
   Director of Research & Technical Services
   Filtrexx International

   Dr. Britt Faucette is a Research Ecologist, Certified Professional
   Erosion & Sediment Control (CPESC), and Leadership in Energy and
   Environmental Design Accredited Professional (LEED AP), and serves
as
   the Director of Research and Technical Services for Filtrexx
   International.  He has a PhD in Ecology from the University of
   Georgia where he researched soil-water-plant performances of
various
   BMPs used in erosion and sediment control applications.  Britt
serves
   on technical committees with the American Society of Test Methods
   (ASTM), International Erosion Control Association (IECA), and
Erosion
   Control Technical Council (ECTC) to create and evaluate new erosion
   and sediment control standard test methods and design criteria for
   BMPs.  He is currently involved in 10 university and federal agency
   research projects evaluating the performance of various storm water
   management technologies.  He has contributed to 10 peer-reviewed
and
   many popular publications on organic materials used for storm water
   management applications and regularly reviews related research
   manuscripts for scientific journals including the Journal of
   Environmental Quality, Journal of Soil and Water Conservation, and
   the Transactions of the American Society of Agricultural Engineers.
   Britt has worked with foreign governments, taught graduate
students,
   and/or consulted on compost and storm water related projects in 12
   countries.


   Ginny Black
   Minnesota Pollution Control Agency

   Ginny Black is an Organics Recycling Specialist with the Minnesota
   Pollution Control Agency. Ginny serves on the Board of Directors of
   the U.S. Composting Council and is the communications chair. In her
   job, Ginny provides technical assistance to compost facility
   operators and promotes market for finished compost. She provides
   education to citizens to help them make informed decisions and take
   actions that conserve resources and prevent pollution to benefit
the
   environment, economy, and society. She is the primary contact for
   organics including woods waste, composting education and
compliance,
   and technical assistance for organic management facilities. She
will
   be responsible for educating participants on the condition of
   recycling in the Midwest and the available compost quality
assurance
   programs.


   Sharon Barnes
   Vice-President
   Barnes Nursery, Inc.

   Sharon Barnes has worked at Barnes Nursery for 40 years in every
   aspect of the company*s integrated horticultural services.  The
last
   19 years she has spent almost exclusively in the research,
   development and operations of Barnes Regional Composting Facility.
   Sharon*s projects have included site development, equipment
   procurement, municipal contracting, end product development,
   horticultural sales, new feedstock permitting, bio-remediation
   projects, and public relations.  Sharon emphasizes and facilitates
   project work that removes valuable organic materials from landfills
   including industrial residuals, *waste* from food manufacturing
   plants, grocery stores and restaurants and processes these
feedstocks
   into high performance soil amendments.  The new engineered soils
and
   soil products have opened new markets for the company and are
   contributing to a positive impact on its environmental performance
   and overall bottom line financial picture.




   For more information contact:
   Chris Newman
   U.S. EPA Region 5
   Phone: 312/353-8402
   email: newman.christopherm at epa.gov 



 
Bill Carter
Nonpoint Source Team    MC 203
Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
P.O. Box 13087
Austin, TX  78711-3087
Phone:  512-239-6771
Fax:  512-239-4410
wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us
 
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From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org  Fri Feb 27 12:23:12 2009
From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:23:12 -0500
Subject: [USCC] FW: Commercial Food Waste Estimates
Message-ID: <026c01c99908$7309cce0$591d66a0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org>

Greetings listserve,
The following request came to us.  Does anyone have these figures at their
fingertips or can recommend a resource?
Thanks,
Cary



-----Original Message-----
From: gregory.williams1 at maine.edu [mailto:gregory.williams1 at maine.edu] 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:06 PM
To: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org
Subject: Commercial Food Waste Estimates

Dear Cary:

I am currently working on a Master's thesis project on composting.
At the moment, I'm trying to determine food waste volumes each of the  
following generates on an annual basis:

large chain supermarket
sit-down full-service restaurant
large chain hotel
600-bed hospital
microbrewery

Would you be able to provide me with rough estimates?

Thank you,
Greg


Greg Williams
Community Planning & Development Department
Muskie School of Public Service
University of Southern Maine
Portland, Maine
(207)669-2457
gregory.williams1 at maine.edu


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From dan at resourcetrends.com  Sat Feb 28 17:12:14 2009
From: dan at resourcetrends.com (Dan Noble)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:12:14 -0800
Subject: [USCC] What is Anaerobic Composting
References: <000001c9971e$9a90e550$cfb2aff0$@energy@enermac.com>
Message-ID: <5318D150483A4EDC82E213A00918B740@DanNoble>

Thanks, Scott.
While I, personally, don't have a direct application of this technology... I will keep it in my "kit bag" as I work with other organics managers in California, and the western US.

I notice that the benefits over aerobic composting are:
  a.. high biogas production rate through large gas discharge area, low digester filling level and several agitators (low-speed units) [assumes you can economically use the biogas I imagine, right?]
  b.. low space requirement 
  c.. use of small compact digesters because material needs not be diluted 
  d.. low heat requirements and low wear through minimized material flow 
  e.. no or very low process water consumption depending on material characteristics 
  f.. low energy demand in material handling, conveying and fermentation through the use of low-speed units only and staggered operating times 
  g.. flexible adjustment to fluctuating throughput rates through a variable filling level in the digester 
  h.. high VSS degradation through quasi-continuous plug flow. 
However, if you have to cover your piles anyway, how does this compare to "aerobic" in vessel composting in terms of dollars invested and returned?  Why not add more water and just do AD?  Are the digested solids profiles produced by this best for "fertilizer" (i.e. > 5% NPK by weight), or do they need to be further composted and then used as a soil amendment?  I imagine this all depends on your feedstock C:N ratio mix, and other nutrients in the feedstock, right?

Yes, I guess, as others have said in previous listings, "anaerobic composting" IS a "misnomer".  And that this process should be called "dry anaerobic digestion" as you guys do on your web site, right??

Thanks so much for any additional information you can provide the compost industry!
Cheers!
Dan
 



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