From buckstop at vdot.net Thu Nov 6 18:40:28 2008 From: buckstop at vdot.net (Stuart Buckner) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:40:28 -0500 Subject: [USCC] test message 1 Message-ID: <013b01c94071$6e840e00$6401a8c0@A25BD8260D5F438> EmailBanner.gifThis is a test message for the list manager. ____________________________________ Stuart Buckner, Ph.D. | Executive Director US Composting Council | 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 | Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 | cell: 631-834-1400 | fax: 631-737-4939 | buckstop at vdot.net Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste & Organics Recycling Industry The Most Comprehensive Program of Training Courses, Educational & Technical Sessions, and Facility Tours & ?Live? Equipment Demonstrations. Register at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! 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Become a member today!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: USCC Conf_Session highlights.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 110382 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.cloudnet.com/pipermail/compost/attachments/20081106/680d7c1a/USCCConf_Sessionhighlights-0001.pdf From uscc-ginny at att.net Mon Nov 10 12:54:38 2008 From: uscc-ginny at att.net (uscc-ginny@att.net) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:54:38 +0000 Subject: [USCC] Gypsum Message-ID: <111020081854.17317.4918836E000C43E6000043A522230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9702020709D30C0C9C9A@att.net> To All: I have a grant proposal that is proposing a beneficial reuse of wall board, by mixing the ground gypsum product with compostable materials. I have been asked by the project team reviewing the grant proposal if any has done this? If so, has anyone tested the final product? I have heard inklings of projects like this, but do not know of anyone who has actually done this. Any info any of you might have would be greatly appreciated. You can e-mail me, or call at 651-215-0284. Ginny Minnesota Pollution Control Agency From cscoker at verizon.net Tue Nov 11 06:52:33 2008 From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:52:33 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Gypsum In-Reply-To: <111020081854.17317.4918836E000C43E6000043A522230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9702020709D30C0C9C9A@att.net> References: <111020081854.17317.4918836E000C43E6000043A522230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9702020709D30C0C9C9A@att.net> Message-ID: Ginny: Two examples: 1. McGill Environmental, Chatham Co., NC - biosolids + gypsum wallboard 2. Lamb Farms, Boone Co., IN - wallboard + FGD sludge + horse manure + turkey litter Call me if you want more details. Cheers, Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 1213 Spradlin Rd. Vinton, VA 24179 Tel.: (540) 890-1086 Fax: (540) 890-1087 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: cscoker at verizon.net Web: www.cokercompost.com This e-mail communication (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you should immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized reading, distribution, copying or other use of this communication (or its attachments) is strictly prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of uscc-ginny at att.net Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:55 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Gypsum To All: I have a grant proposal that is proposing a beneficial reuse of wall board, by mixing the ground gypsum product with compostable materials. I have been asked by the project team reviewing the grant proposal if any has done this? If so, has anyone tested the final product? I have heard inklings of projects like this, but do not know of anyone who has actually done this. Any info any of you might have would be greatly appreciated. You can e-mail me, or call at 651-215-0284. Ginny Minnesota Pollution Control Agency _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From Tim at upnplastics.com Tue Nov 11 09:29:06 2008 From: Tim at upnplastics.com (Tim Howard) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:29:06 -0600 Subject: [USCC] Gypsum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7A0FB1D7ED02E94E82332A25EB78C279CB74FB@CARRIER.poly-america.com> Clean Washington Center did some work in 1997. The study is at the link below http://cwc.org/wood/wd_htm/CDL97-4rpt.htm Tim Howard Up North Plastics -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:53 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] Gypsum Ginny: Two examples: 1. McGill Environmental, Chatham Co., NC - biosolids + gypsum wallboard 2. Lamb Farms, Boone Co., IN - wallboard + FGD sludge + horse manure + turkey litter Call me if you want more details. Cheers, Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 1213 Spradlin Rd. Vinton, VA 24179 Tel.: (540) 890-1086 Fax: (540) 890-1087 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: cscoker at verizon.net Web: www.cokercompost.com This e-mail communication (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you should immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized reading, distribution, copying or other use of this communication (or its attachments) is strictly prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of uscc-ginny at att.net Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:55 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Gypsum To All: I have a grant proposal that is proposing a beneficial reuse of wall board, by mixing the ground gypsum product with compostable materials. I have been asked by the project team reviewing the grant proposal if any has done this? If so, has anyone tested the final product? I have heard inklings of projects like this, but do not know of anyone who has actually done this. Any info any of you might have would be greatly appreciated. You can e-mail me, or call at 651-215-0284. Ginny Minnesota Pollution Control Agency _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ________________________________________________________________________ ____ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ________________________________________________________________________ ______ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us Tue Nov 11 12:15:58 2008 From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:15:58 -0600 Subject: [USCC] Gypsum In-Reply-To: <111020081854.17317.4918836E000C43E6000043A522230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9702020709D30C0C9C9A@att.net> References: <111020081854.17317.4918836E000C43E6000043A522230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9702020709D30C0C9C9A@att.net> Message-ID: <4919777E.FFDC.0044.0@tceq.state.tx.us> A few references worth checking: http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubs/PDF/B1223.pdf http://www.ascjournal.ascweb.org/journal/2001/no1/Spring%202001,%20Vol.%206,%20No.%201,%20pp.%2028-33.pdf http://p2pays.org/ref/04/03788.htm Bill Carter Nonpoint Source Team MC 165 Texas Commission on Environmental Quality P.O. Box 13087 Austin, TX 78711-3087 Phone: 512-239-6771 Fax: 512-239-4410 wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us >>> 11/10/2008 12:54 PM >>> To All: I have a grant proposal that is proposing a beneficial reuse of wall board, by mixing the ground gypsum product with compostable materials. I have been asked by the project team reviewing the grant proposal if any has done this? If so, has anyone tested the final product? I have heard inklings of projects like this, but do not know of anyone who has actually done this. Any info any of you might have would be greatly appreciated. You can e-mail me, or call at 651-215-0284. Ginny Minnesota Pollution Control Agency _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV Thu Nov 13 07:22:50 2008 From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:22:50 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Gypsum In-Reply-To: <111020081854.17317.4918836E000C43E6000043A522230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9702020709D30C0C9C9A@att.net> Message-ID: Dear Colleagues: There is a great interest in beneficial use of gypsum from treatment of coal fired power plant exhaust to remove sulfur dioxide. For many years much of this gypsum was used in producing wallboard, but that market is saturated, and new construction has declined as well. Further, the extent of exhaust treatment across the country is increasing, so more FGD-gypsum is becoming available for use. Several groups of University and USDA scientists are working with the electric power industry to investigate uses of FGD-gypsum and assess the benefit and risks of this practice. Low rates of FGD-gypsum application can aid water infiltration, reduce clay dispersion, reduce phosphate runoff, and some additional beneficial effects. It is also a sulfur and Ca fertilizer, and replaces mined gypsum for peanut production among other uses. The coal-power industry has produced several types of FDG-gypsum in the past, but is moving to produce a relatively high purity product by doing the SO2 removal after electrolytic removal of fly ash. Some earlier methods used the SO2 scrubber to remove fly ash and generated a byproduct with about 50% limestone equivalent, but much of the trace elements from fly ash. Depending on the coal source burned, that product could be rich in boron, arsenic, selenium or some other trace elements. But the new Gypsum from FGD treatment has only low levels of trace elements. Study is continuing in cooperation with US-EPA in a program to develop a risk assessment for beneficial use of the FGD-Gypsum. Like many other sources of byproducts, I believe that wallboard wastes and FDG could be included in composting feedstocks at rates that were beneficial to the quality of the compost product. For composts to be used to treat saline soils, gypsum inclusion could be especially beneficial. Keep in mind the different processes of gypsum production when considering gypsum byproduct use. Rufus Chaney Beltsville, MD -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of uscc-ginny at att.net Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:55 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Gypsum To All: I have a grant proposal that is proposing a beneficial reuse of wall board, by mixing the ground gypsum product with compostable materials. I have been asked by the project team reviewing the grant proposal if any has done this? If so, has anyone tested the final product? I have heard inklings of projects like this, but do not know of anyone who has actually done this. Any info any of you might have would be greatly appreciated. You can e-mail me, or call at 651-215-0284. Ginny Minnesota Pollution Control Agency _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ________________________________________________________________________ ______ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From cscoker at verizon.net Wed Nov 19 16:43:51 2008 From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:43:51 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Adding urea to land clearing vegetation Message-ID: Colleagues: Does anyone have any good formulas for the amount of urea to add to woody vegetative debris to adjust C:N ratio for composting? One OSU reference I found referring to BYC said 1 lb per CY of compost mix; one yard waste facility I work with uses 50 lbs every 100' or so of 6' x 15' windrow. Are there any other proven approaches you'd like to share? Thanks, Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 1213 Spradlin Rd. Vinton, VA 24179 Tel.: (540) 890-1086 Fax: (540) 890-1087 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: cscoker at verizon.net Web: www.cokercompost.com This e-mail communication (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you should immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized reading, distribution, copying or other use of this communication (or its attachments) is strictly prohibited. From cscoker at verizon.net Wed Nov 19 16:46:23 2008 From: cscoker at verizon.net (Craig Coker) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:46:23 -0500 Subject: [USCC] LEED points and compost use Message-ID: <0FCACD77B1E34AD8B01B4192E167F85E@LAPTOP> Does anyone know of a valid analysis of the LEED guidance documents for green building practices to establish possible points/credits due to compost use? I've seen one analysis prepared by Filtrexx, but it's obviously tailored to their product line. I was hoping to find something a bit more generic. Thanks, Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 1213 Spradlin Rd. Vinton, VA 24179 Tel.: (540) 890-1086 Fax: (540) 890-1087 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: cscoker at verizon.net Web: www.cokercompost.com This e-mail communication (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you should immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized reading, distribution, copying or other use of this communication (or its attachments) is strictly prohibited. From alexassoc at earthlink.net Thu Nov 20 11:02:38 2008 From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (alexassoc@earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:02:38 -0500 Subject: [USCC] LEED points and compost use In-Reply-To: <0FCACD77B1E34AD8B01B4192E167F85E@LAPTOP> References: <0FCACD77B1E34AD8B01B4192E167F85E@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <001601c94b31$caf45260$60dcf720$@net> Craig, I understand that this is still 'in the works'. Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, NC 27502 USA 919-367-8350 919-367-8351 fax alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:46 PM To: USCC Listserv Subject: [USCC] LEED points and compost use Does anyone know of a valid analysis of the LEED guidance documents for green building practices to establish possible points/credits due to compost use? I've seen one analysis prepared by Filtrexx, but it's obviously tailored to their product line. I was hoping to find something a bit more generic. Thanks, Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 1213 Spradlin Rd. Vinton, VA 24179 Tel.: (540) 890-1086 Fax: (540) 890-1087 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: cscoker at verizon.net Web: www.cokercompost.com This e-mail communication (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you should immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized reading, distribution, copying or other use of this communication (or its attachments) is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM From tnthomas at terre-source.com Thu Nov 20 12:50:57 2008 From: tnthomas at terre-source.com (Tamara Thomas) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:50:57 -0800 Subject: [USCC] Adding urea to land clearing vegetation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D8048DED47407BB6563014B47E4AB9@MSMCE> Hi Craig, At the risk of being mechanistic- urea is approximately 46% N - so assuming a C:N of 400 and 0.1% N content of your woody debris about 58# urea per ton should get you close to C:N of 30. But on a more theoretical basis, isn't using chemical N defeating some of the environmental benefits of composting? Woody material has lately (until the drop in oil price again) been in great demand as hogged fuel, as well as to facilitate composting of higher nitrogen feedstocks - biosolids, green grass, etc. It seems a shame to force the degradation of this material with chemicals when it has so many other beneficial uses. I also wonder whether the addition of urea would lower the pH of the compost excessively? Have you tried this? What about odor related to volatilization of ammonia? Tamara Thomas, P.E. Terre-SourceLLC Helping Compost Happen! 360-336-3536 Office 360-336-3530 FAX 425-844-6068 Field -----Original Message----- From: Craig Coker [mailto:cscoker at verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:44 PM To: USCC Listserv Subject: [USCC] Adding urea to land clearing vegetation Colleagues: Does anyone have any good formulas for the amount of urea to add to woody vegetative debris to adjust C:N ratio for composting? One OSU reference I found referring to BYC said 1 lb per CY of compost mix; one yard waste facility I work with uses 50 lbs every 100' or so of 6' x 15' windrow. Are there any other proven approaches you'd like to share? Thanks, Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 1213 Spradlin Rd. Vinton, VA 24179 Tel.: (540) 890-1086 Fax: (540) 890-1087 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: cscoker at verizon.net Web: www.cokercompost.com This e-mail communication (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you should immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized reading, distribution, copying or other use of this communication (or its attachments) is strictly prohibited. From sreil at safelawns.net Thu Nov 20 13:09:49 2008 From: sreil at safelawns.net (Scott Reil) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:09:49 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Adding urea to land clearing vegetation In-Reply-To: <48D8048DED47407BB6563014B47E4AB9@MSMCE> References: <48D8048DED47407BB6563014B47E4AB9@MSMCE> Message-ID: <000801c94b43$8f1f3950$ad5dabf0$@net> Tamara raises an excellent point. Without the existing biology to convert the ammonia to nitrate, the majority of the urea will simply volatize. Better to add biology than chemical fertilizers. One would also be better served to simply add greens (nitrogen and bacterial) to your browns (ammonia and fungal) and let nature take it's course. Scott Reil Safe Lawns and Landscapes LLC 70 Highland Park Drive Bloomfield CT 06002 860-243-8733 -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Tamara Thomas Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:51 PM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] Adding urea to land clearing vegetation Hi Craig, At the risk of being mechanistic- urea is approximately 46% N - so assuming a C:N of 400 and 0.1% N content of your woody debris about 58# urea per ton should get you close to C:N of 30. But on a more theoretical basis, isn't using chemical N defeating some of the environmental benefits of composting? Woody material has lately (until the drop in oil price again) been in great demand as hogged fuel, as well as to facilitate composting of higher nitrogen feedstocks - biosolids, green grass, etc. It seems a shame to force the degradation of this material with chemicals when it has so many other beneficial uses. I also wonder whether the addition of urea would lower the pH of the compost excessively? Have you tried this? What about odor related to volatilization of ammonia? Tamara Thomas, P.E. Terre-SourceLLC Helping Compost Happen! 360-336-3536 Office 360-336-3530 FAX 425-844-6068 Field -----Original Message----- From: Craig Coker [mailto:cscoker at verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:44 PM To: USCC Listserv Subject: [USCC] Adding urea to land clearing vegetation Colleagues: Does anyone have any good formulas for the amount of urea to add to woody vegetative debris to adjust C:N ratio for composting? One OSU reference I found referring to BYC said 1 lb per CY of compost mix; one yard waste facility I work with uses 50 lbs every 100' or so of 6' x 15' windrow. Are there any other proven approaches you'd like to share? Thanks, Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 1213 Spradlin Rd. Vinton, VA 24179 Tel.: (540) 890-1086 Fax: (540) 890-1087 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: cscoker at verizon.net Web: www.cokercompost.com This e-mail communication (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you should immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized reading, distribution, copying or other use of this communication (or its attachments) is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From steved at ipa.net Thu Nov 20 14:17:28 2008 From: steved at ipa.net (Steve Diver) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:17:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [USCC] LEED points and compost use Message-ID: <23199093.1227212248985.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It so happens the Sustainable Sites Initiative just released their 2008 DRAFT Guidelines. Guidelines and Performance Benchmarks ? Draft 2008 Sustainable Sites Initiative http://www.sustainablesites.org/report/ The idea behind SSI is to have a sustainable sites component to LEED. Much like LEED, "This report contains over 50 draft prerequisites and credits that cover all stages of the site development process from site selection to landscape maintenance." Quick access to soils: 3.13......... p. 77 6.1.......... p. 119 6.2.......... p. 120 Appendix E... p. 153 For example, Appendix E: 1. Achieve ideal dry bulk densities or cone penetrometer readings* in 100 percent of the root zone (minimum of 12 inches in depth) in all areas without buildings and paved areas. 2. Achieve appropriate organic matter for plant growth and for water storage and infiltration. The top 12 inches of soil contains at least 3 percent organic matter (by loss-on-combustion tests*) or achieves organic matter levels comparable to your site?s reference soil by amending with a mature compost material. 3. Provide conditions to restore soil organism biomass activity and diversity**. The relative levels of bacteria, fungi, nematodes, and protozoa vary for different ecosystems. The balance of these groups of organisms should replicate those in your site?s reference soils. In absence of a reference soil, refer to guidance** on relative levels of soil organisms that are appropriate for your ecosystem You can probably see the difficulty of arriving at standards that apply across the broad expanse of the U.S. which has so many varied soils. For example, parts of many states and regions simply do not have 12" of soil depth. Likewise, most of the southern and southwestern states have much lower inherent levels of soil organic matter than 3%. Compost is listed in several locations as a soil amendment. Regards, Steve Diver Austin, TX From LewisDV at mda.state.md.us Thu Nov 20 14:45:23 2008 From: LewisDV at mda.state.md.us (Donald Lewis) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:45:23 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Adding urea to land clearing vegetation In-Reply-To: <48D8048DED47407BB6563014B47E4AB9@MSMCE> References: <48D8048DED47407BB6563014B47E4AB9@MSMCE> Message-ID: <49258611.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us> Hi, all, I have two thoughts regarding the use of Urea to facilitate the composting of woody material. First, I think we can all agree that if there is an immediate and local use for the chipped woody material, then this is far preferable to adding a relatively energy inefficient chemical to facilitate the composting process. Second, there are neither pH nor odor problems associated with the use of urea as a source of nitrogen for enhancing the composting process. Urea is arguably not synthetic in the same sense as, say, nylon, in that it was the first naturally occurring organic chemical synthesized. As such, there are natural mechanisms for its use and recycling in the environment. The problems I have noted are those associated with a large pile of wood chips undergoing anaerobic decomposition because of a lack of sufficient nitrogen for the nourishment of thermophillic bacteria. Better urea than an inexcusable odor problem. Don Lewis Compost Coordinator State Chemist Section MD Dept. of Agriculture 50 Harry S. truman parkway Annapolis, MD 21401 410-841-2721 lewisdv at mda.state.md.us >>> "Tamara Thomas" 11/20/2008 1:50 PM >>> Hi Craig, At the risk of being mechanistic- urea is approximately 46% N - so assuming a C:N of 400 and 0.1% N content of your woody debris about 58# urea per ton should get you close to C:N of 30. But on a more theoretical basis, isn't using chemical N defeating some of the environmental benefits of composting? Woody material has lately (until the drop in oil price again) been in great demand as hogged fuel, as well as to facilitate composting of higher nitrogen feedstocks - biosolids, green grass, etc. It seems a shame to force the degradation of this material with chemicals when it has so many other beneficial uses. I also wonder whether the addition of urea would lower the pH of the compost excessively? Have you tried this? What about odor related to volatilization of ammonia? Tamara Thomas, P.E. Terre-SourceLLC Helping Compost Happen! 360-336-3536 Office 360-336-3530 FAX 425-844-6068 Field -----Original Message----- From: Craig Coker [mailto:cscoker at verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:44 PM To: USCC Listserv Subject: [USCC] Adding urea to land clearing vegetation Colleagues: Does anyone have any good formulas for the amount of urea to add to woody vegetative debris to adjust C:N ratio for composting? One OSU reference I found referring to BYC said 1 lb per CY of compost mix; one yard waste facility I work with uses 50 lbs every 100' or so of 6' x 15' windrow. Are there any other proven approaches you'd like to share? Thanks, Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 1213 Spradlin Rd. Vinton, VA 24179 Tel.: (540) 890-1086 Fax: (540) 890-1087 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: cscoker at verizon.net Web: www.cokercompost.com This e-mail communication (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you should immediately stop reading this message and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized reading, distribution, copying or other use of this communication (or its attachments) is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From jac at magicsoil.com Thu Nov 20 14:53:01 2008 From: jac at magicsoil.com (John A. Crockett) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:53:01 -0500 Subject: [USCC] C:N Ratio Message-ID: <200811202053.mAKKr1Zr007810@omr6.networksolutionsemail.com> When striving for a great C:N Ratio, are people looking at overall C:N Ratio, or AVAILABLE? IF the primary decomposers in the early part of the composting process are active (in contrast to total) bacteria, is the carbon in wood, high Lignin feedstocks, available to the bacteria? I've read & heard that the only micro-organisms that can break down Lignin are white rot, and brown rot fungus, that bacteria cannot access the carbon in Lignin. I don't know whether that is true. Does anyone following the list know? Our compost research silos provide us with a great environment to test various feedstock combinations, including measuring the rate of air flow that we have to deliver to hold the CO2 in the off-gas down to between 1 - 2%. If we have to provide > 20 times the volume of compost, in fresh air, every hour, to hold the CO2 between 1 - 2%, then we feel we have a good blend of feedstocks. And the bottom line, of course, is how plants perform in the finished product. Working Together to Create a Sustainable Environment, John A. Crockett, a.k.a. Dr. Mike Robe Mother Nature's Farms (845) 225-7763 http://www.magicsoil.com/ jac at magicsoil.com ? From sreil at safelawns.net Fri Nov 21 10:09:28 2008 From: sreil at safelawns.net (Scott Reil) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:09:28 -0500 Subject: [USCC] C:N Ratio In-Reply-To: <200811202053.mAKKr1Zr007810@omr6.networksolutionsemail.com> References: <200811202053.mAKKr1Zr007810@omr6.networksolutionsemail.com> Message-ID: <001901c94bf3$8822d4d0$98687e70$@net> John, that is my understanding as well. In the discussion on adding urea to wood composting I put forth the proposition that adding biology would be preferable to adding chemical inputs as the process of natural selection would find the optimal balances of biology. It is my understanding that your assertion that the carboniferous nature of wood makes it unsuitable food for bacteria is correct, and urea is hardly a suitable fungal food; high nitrate inputs favor bacterial conditions. The necessity of bacterial decomposition for a less carboniferous food stock such as a manure compost is absolutely true, but I feel encouraging bacterial growth on a ligneous (and therefore high carbon) material could actually be detrimental to the very fungii we are expecting to accomplish the job (due to bacterial tendency to push towards a baser pH). As the food stock is converted to a more suitable form for bacterial decomposition, natural succession will move towards a more bacterial biota, which will naturally adjust pH. Applications of fish hydrolysate favor both bacterial and fungal sides and still allows for the selection process I spoke of. Coupling this with sufficient passive aeration should allow for optimal conditions for both bacteria and fungii; I specify passive as regular turning would continually disrupt the growth of the fungal hyphae. The silo seems a perfect vehicle for this process, as the concerns about anaerobic conditions are eliminated, and all the biology should consume enough carbon to sequester much of the off-gassing, as I am sure was already the case from your post. Volatization of any parent elements should always be a concern as we are either adding to the gaseous waste stream or losing food sourcing for continued biological decomposition. Carbon and nitrogen are naturally inherent in the compost biology and fuel their various life cycles. It is my strong opinion that working with these natural systems is the inherent beauty and best management practice in composting. ?The first rule of sustainability is to align with natural forces, or at least not try to defy them.? Paul Hawken Scott Reil Safe Lawns and Landscapes LLC 70 Highland Park Drive Bloomfield CT 06002 860-243-8733 -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of John A. Crockett Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:53 PM To: U.S. Composting Council listserve; U.S. Composting Council listserve Subject: [USCC] C:N Ratio When striving for a great C:N Ratio, are people looking at overall C:N Ratio, or AVAILABLE? IF the primary decomposers in the early part of the composting process are active (in contrast to total) bacteria, is the carbon in wood, high Lignin feedstocks, available to the bacteria? I've read & heard that the only micro-organisms that can break down Lignin are white rot, and brown rot fungus, that bacteria cannot access the carbon in Lignin. I don't know whether that is true. Does anyone following the list know? Our compost research silos provide us with a great environment to test various feedstock combinations, including measuring the rate of air flow that we have to deliver to hold the CO2 in the off-gas down to between 1 - 2%. If we have to provide > 20 times the volume of compost, in fresh air, every hour, to hold the CO2 between 1 - 2%, then we feel we have a good blend of feedstocks. And the bottom line, of course, is how plants perform in the finished product. Working Together to Create a Sustainable Environment, John A. Crockett, a.k.a. Dr. Mike Robe Mother Nature's Farms (845) 225-7763 http://www.magicsoil.com/ jac at magicsoil.com ? _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From McLaughlin.Susan at epamail.epa.gov Mon Nov 24 16:16:55 2008 From: McLaughlin.Susan at epamail.epa.gov (McLaughlin.Susan@epamail.epa.gov) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:16:55 -0500 Subject: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. I received an inquiry asking how someone can, using as inputs the WEIGHT of certain types of organic wastes, calculate in cubic YARDAGE the amount of compost that would result for those different types of waste. Can you help? Are there generalizations, tools, or research out there that I can lead him to? Thank you! Susan McLaughlin Office of Solid Waste US EPA From SGlass at abcwua.org Mon Nov 24 16:43:55 2008 From: SGlass at abcwua.org (Glass, Steve J.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:43:55 -0700 Subject: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Susan - The first tab in the attached spreadsheet includes bulk densities for a wide range of common composting feedstocks, adapted by the NM Organics Recycling Organization from some data published by Cornell University. Dividing the weight (in pounds) of a feedstock by its bulk density (in pounds per cubic yard) yields an estimate of the volume (in cubic yards. The other tabs in the spreadsheet contain compost mixture calculators developed by Cornell and by NMORO. The NMORO mixture calculator predicts the initial volume of the proposed compost mixture. During the composting process, one can expect to lose 10-30% of the initial volume, so the final volume can be estimated. Hope this helps. Steve Glass NMORO -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of McLaughlin.Susan at epamail.epa.gov Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:17 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock Hi. I received an inquiry asking how someone can, using as inputs the WEIGHT of certain types of organic wastes, calculate in cubic YARDAGE the amount of compost that would result for those different types of waste. Can you help? Are there generalizations, tools, or research out there that I can lead him to? Thank you! Susan McLaughlin Office of Solid Waste US EPA _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931 ________________________________________________________________________ _____ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. 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Name: NMORO_Compost_Mixes.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 49664 bytes Desc: NMORO_Compost_Mixes.xls Url : http://mailman.cloudnet.com/pipermail/compost/attachments/20081124/69590138/NMORO_Compost_Mixes-0001.xls From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org Tue Nov 25 08:45:27 2008 From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:45:27 -0500 Subject: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501c94f0c$74eb0150$5ec103f0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org> A couple a points: First, cubic yards of material with different bulk densities are not actually additive. For example, 3 yards of ground brush plus 1 yard of grass clippings does not yield 4 yds of mix. This is because the smaller particles fill in the pores between the particles of brush. 80% is a good estimate for the volume of many feedstock mixes, so in the above example, 3 + 1 = 3.2! However, it will vary with your feedstocks. Second, the amount of volume reduction also varies greatly with feedstock, but is certainly more than the 10-30% mentioned. I have heard composters explain how they need 40 yards of food waste to get 1 yard of finished compost. At the other extreme, high lignin feedstocks will lose much less bulk, more in that 30% range. So, depending on the mix, 50-70% loss because of decomposition is typical. An internet search for "compost recipe calculator" will yield a half-dozen examples. They vary considerably in detail and ease-of-use. We are exploring a "calculator page" for a new website. If anyone has recommendations, suggestions or experience with any of these I'd be interested in hearing from you. Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council 1010 North 13th St. Allentown, PA 18102 phone: 484-547-1521 fax: 484-274-6779 cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org USCC Main Office: 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 fax: 631-737-4939 Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Glass, Steve J. Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:44 PM To: Compost Discussion List Subject: Re: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock Susan - The first tab in the attached spreadsheet includes bulk densities for a wide range of common composting feedstocks, adapted by the NM Organics Recycling Organization from some data published by Cornell University. Dividing the weight (in pounds) of a feedstock by its bulk density (in pounds per cubic yard) yields an estimate of the volume (in cubic yards. The other tabs in the spreadsheet contain compost mixture calculators developed by Cornell and by NMORO. The NMORO mixture calculator predicts the initial volume of the proposed compost mixture. During the composting process, one can expect to lose 10-30% of the initial volume, so the final volume can be estimated. Hope this helps. Steve Glass NMORO -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of McLaughlin.Susan at epamail.epa.gov Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:17 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock Hi. I received an inquiry asking how someone can, using as inputs the WEIGHT of certain types of organic wastes, calculate in cubic YARDAGE the amount of compost that would result for those different types of waste. Can you help? Are there generalizations, tools, or research out there that I can lead him to? Thank you! Susan McLaughlin Office of Solid Waste US EPA _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931 ________________________________________________________________________ _____ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From johnb at mdsgroup.net Tue Nov 25 11:23:58 2008 From: johnb at mdsgroup.net (John Bentley) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:23:58 -0500 Subject: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock In-Reply-To: <001501c94f0c$74eb0150$5ec103f0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org> Message-ID: <20081125171759.6304DAF250D@mx1.cloudnet.com> Cary Have you ever heard of Bioenergycoversion.com. It seems like they are making a carbon type product. Will tis take away from Composting? John Bentley Earth & Turf Products LLC -----Original Message----- From: Cary Oshins [mailto:cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:45 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock A couple a points: First, cubic yards of material with different bulk densities are not actually additive. For example, 3 yards of ground brush plus 1 yard of grass clippings does not yield 4 yds of mix. This is because the smaller particles fill in the pores between the particles of brush. 80% is a good estimate for the volume of many feedstock mixes, so in the above example, 3 + 1 = 3.2! However, it will vary with your feedstocks. Second, the amount of volume reduction also varies greatly with feedstock, but is certainly more than the 10-30% mentioned. I have heard composters explain how they need 40 yards of food waste to get 1 yard of finished compost. At the other extreme, high lignin feedstocks will lose much less bulk, more in that 30% range. So, depending on the mix, 50-70% loss because of decomposition is typical. An internet search for "compost recipe calculator" will yield a half-dozen examples. They vary considerably in detail and ease-of-use. We are exploring a "calculator page" for a new website. If anyone has recommendations, suggestions or experience with any of these I'd be interested in hearing from you. Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council 1010 North 13th St. Allentown, PA 18102 phone: 484-547-1521 fax: 484-274-6779 cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org USCC Main Office: 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 fax: 631-737-4939 Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Glass, Steve J. Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:44 PM To: Compost Discussion List Subject: Re: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock Susan - The first tab in the attached spreadsheet includes bulk densities for a wide range of common composting feedstocks, adapted by the NM Organics Recycling Organization from some data published by Cornell University. Dividing the weight (in pounds) of a feedstock by its bulk density (in pounds per cubic yard) yields an estimate of the volume (in cubic yards. The other tabs in the spreadsheet contain compost mixture calculators developed by Cornell and by NMORO. The NMORO mixture calculator predicts the initial volume of the proposed compost mixture. During the composting process, one can expect to lose 10-30% of the initial volume, so the final volume can be estimated. Hope this helps. Steve Glass NMORO -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of McLaughlin.Susan at epamail.epa.gov Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:17 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock Hi. I received an inquiry asking how someone can, using as inputs the WEIGHT of certain types of organic wastes, calculate in cubic YARDAGE the amount of compost that would result for those different types of waste. Can you help? Are there generalizations, tools, or research out there that I can lead him to? Thank you! Susan McLaughlin Office of Solid Waste US EPA _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931 ________________________________________________________________________ _____ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ _ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu Tue Nov 25 11:49:28 2008 From: rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu (Rhonda Sherman) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:49:28 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Bags for Compost Message-ID: <492C3AA8.7070308@ncsu.edu> Hello all, Please send me some names of companies that manufacture bags for bagging compost. Thanks, and Happy Thanksgiving! Rhonda Sherman Extension Solid Waste Specialist Biological & Agricultural Engineering Department North Carolina State University Box 7625, Raleigh, NC 27695-7625 Phone 919/515-6770 Fax 919/515-6772 E-mail: rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu Website: http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/people/faculty/sherman From newland at sti.net Tue Nov 25 14:34:52 2008 From: newland at sti.net (William Newland) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:34:52 -0800 Subject: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock References: <001501c94f0c$74eb0150$5ec103f0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org> Message-ID: <001e01c94f3d$4550eaa0$6401a8c0@windowsgx04sc3> ALL ANALYSIS ARE SITE SPECIFIC !! As a general rule begin with a 50% reduction in volumn and weight ! This is a middle of the road figure for setting up an operation. The volumn reduction can run to 70% on some feedstocks but weight reduction is generally 50%. In green waste the water usage is a factor of expense both in cost and application. As a general rule an equal amount of water by weight to the material weight is required. These observations are based on 25 years of consulting. Bill Newland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cary Oshins" To: "'Compost Discussion List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock >A couple a points: > > First, cubic yards of material with different bulk densities are not > actually additive. For example, 3 yards of ground brush plus 1 yard of > grass clippings does not yield 4 yds of mix. This is because the smaller > particles fill in the pores between the particles of brush. 80% is a good > estimate for the volume of many feedstock mixes, so in the above example, > 3 > + 1 = 3.2! However, it will vary with your feedstocks. > > Second, the amount of volume reduction also varies greatly with feedstock, > but is certainly more than the 10-30% mentioned. I have heard composters > explain how they need 40 yards of food waste to get 1 yard of finished > compost. At the other extreme, high lignin feedstocks will lose much less > bulk, more in that 30% range. So, depending on the mix, 50-70% loss > because > of decomposition is typical. > > An internet search for "compost recipe calculator" will yield a half-dozen > examples. They vary considerably in detail and ease-of-use. We are > exploring a "calculator page" for a new website. If anyone has > recommendations, suggestions or experience with any of these I'd be > interested in hearing from you. > > Cary > > > > ____________________________________ > Cary Oshins > Assistant Director of Programs > US Composting Council > > 1010 North 13th St. > > Allentown, PA 18102 > > phone: 484-547-1521 > > fax: 484-274-6779 > > cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org > USCC Main Office: > > 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 > Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 > phone: 631-737-4931 > fax: 631-737-4939 > > > Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade > Show, > January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX > Register at www.compostingcouncil.org > Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com > [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Glass, Steve J. > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:44 PM > To: Compost Discussion List > Subject: Re: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock > > > > Susan - > > > > The first tab in the attached spreadsheet includes bulk densities for a > wide > range of common composting feedstocks, adapted by the NM Organics > Recycling > Organization from some data published by Cornell University. > > Dividing the weight (in pounds) of a feedstock by its bulk density (in > pounds per cubic yard) yields an estimate of the volume (in cubic yards. > > > > The other tabs in the spreadsheet contain compost mixture calculators > developed by Cornell and by NMORO. The NMORO mixture calculator predicts > the initial volume of the proposed compost mixture. During the composting > process, one can expect to lose 10-30% of the initial volume, so the final > volume can be estimated. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Steve Glass > > NMORO > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com > > [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of > McLaughlin.Susan at epamail.epa.gov > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:17 PM > > To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > > Subject: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock > > > > Hi. I received an inquiry asking how someone can, using as inputs the > WEIGHT of certain types of organic wastes, calculate in cubic YARDAGE the > amount of compost that would result for those different types of waste. > > > > Can you help? Are there generalizations, tools, or research out there > that > I can lead him to? > > > > Thank you! > > > > Susan McLaughlin > > Office of Solid Waste > > US EPA > > > > _______________________________________ > > Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade > Show, > January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training > Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & > "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from > > 20+ Manufacturers. > > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. > > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931 > ________________________________________________________________________ > > _____ > > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > _______________________________________ > > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or > the Board of Directors. > > > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > > _______________________________________ > Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade > Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest > Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & > Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training > Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & > "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers. > Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931 > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, > or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1811 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 8:29 AM From Michele.Young at sanjoseca.gov Tue Nov 25 19:17:17 2008 From: Michele.Young at sanjoseca.gov (Young, Michele) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:17:17 -0800 Subject: [USCC] FW: San Jose's Zero Waste Plan is Online! Message-ID: <4B7DBB32B8E0254081660CC49C2B7AFA012A770B@ex08.sjcity.net> Greetings to all, San Jose's Zero Waste Strategic Plan and new Zero Waste Website were published today and the item has been agenized for the City's Transportation and Environment Committee on Monday December 1. In addition to solid waste diversion, the Plan is an integrated effort to address multiple initiatives including: EP3, pollution prevention, economic development, planning, Producer Responsibility, litter, schools environmental education, financing, carbon emissions, energy generation, Treatment Plant Master Plan, The City's Green Vision, legislation, regional collaboration, and more issues that contribute to a sustainable city. Several in-depth appendices were created for this project including a Needs Assessment, Infrastructure Assessment, revenue opportunities, and an energy conversion technology report. Link to Zero Waste Plan and Plan Appendices: http://www.sjrecycles.org/zerowaste.asp Link to Transportation and Environment Committee Staff Report: http://www.sjrecycles.org/PDFs/ZeroWasteTEMemo_11-24-08.pdf.pdf Happy Reading! Turn Over an Old Leaf - Compost! Michele Young City of San Jose Environmental Services Department 200 E. Santa Clara St. Tower 10 San Jose, CA 95113 Phone: (408) 975-2519 FAX: (408) 292-6212 From cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org Wed Nov 26 07:19:54 2008 From: cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:19:54 -0500 Subject: [USCC] bioenergyconversion.com In-Reply-To: <20081125171759.6304DAF250D@mx1.cloudnet.com> References: <001501c94f0c$74eb0150$5ec103f0$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org> <20081125171759.6304DAF250D@mx1.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <007101c94fc9$abdda420$0398ec60$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org> Hi John, Good to see you still lurking around on the list! No I have not heard of them and their website doesn't tell a whole lot. Their products are energy and "activated carbon". Activated carbon is a different market than compost, not really a competitor that I know of. I have requested more info from their website, www.bioenergyconversion.com Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:24 PM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock Cary Have you ever heard of Bioenergycoversion.com. It seems like they are making a carbon type product. Will tis take away from Composting? John Bentley Earth & Turf Products LLC From matt at mattcotton.com Wed Nov 26 08:45:48 2008 From: matt at mattcotton.com (Matthew Cotton) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:45:48 -0800 Subject: [USCC] Gypsum In-Reply-To: <111020081854.17317.4918836E000C43E6000043A522230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9702020709D30C0C9C9A@att.net> References: <111020081854.17317.4918836E000C43E6000043A522230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9702020709D30C0C9C9A@att.net> Message-ID: <83BC43EC-D0E0-420C-9DD3-D05C5BD8D4A5@mattcotton.com> Ginny - Here in California a few composters accept drywall from construction and demolition projects. What I have seen is that most, if not all of this is stockpiled separately, crushed, screened, and sold separately as an amendment (primarily to farmers who use it to condition the soil). A very small portion may be added to finished compost as part of a blended material, but I am not aware of anyone "composting" the wallboard itself. I don't believe that composting would have much effect on the gypsum, though I've heard some folks speculate that the gypsum added to an active compost pile might reduce odors (something about odor molecules adsorbing to the many surfaces of the ground gypsum), but I don't know anyone adding gypsum for that reason. Once the wallboard is crushed and screened there is a remaining fraction of mostly paper which previously sandwiched the gypsum. A few composters I know compost this paper, but in my opinion this is more of a way to use the by product of the gypsum "recycling" process. Matthew Cotton Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC 19375 Lake City Road Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 265-4560 Fax (530) 265-4547 matt at mattcotton.com www.mattcotton.com On Nov 10, 2008, at 10:54 AM, uscc-ginny at att.net wrote: > To All: > > I have a grant proposal that is proposing a beneficial reuse of > wall board, by mixing the ground gypsum product with compostable > materials. I have been asked by the project team reviewing the > grant proposal if any has done this? If so, has anyone tested the > final product? > > I have heard inklings of projects like this, but do not know of > anyone who has actually done this. Any info any of you might have > would be greatly appreciated. > > You can e-mail me, or call at 651-215-0284. > > Ginny > Minnesota Pollution Control Agency > _______________________________________ > Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & > Trade Show > January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. > The National forum for those involved in the development and > expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. > Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information > and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > ______________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights > reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the > Foundation, or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its > website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have > their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies > and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or > other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/ > compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, > send a message to the List Manager at > compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From johnb at mdsgroup.net Wed Nov 26 10:17:06 2008 From: johnb at mdsgroup.net (John Bentley) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:17:06 -0500 Subject: [USCC] bioenergyconversion.com In-Reply-To: <007101c94fc9$abdda420$0398ec60$@oshins@compostingcouncil.org> Message-ID: <20081126161110.8E0C9AFCA8E@mx1.cloudnet.com> Cary Yes I am still around. We continue to expand our line and Earth & Turf still grew in 2008 despite the down turn. My concern with the process was that it would divert green waste and manures away from composting. As you know I have been a supporter of composting for a number of years and am conerned with the quality of our soils, the reduction of the use of chemicals and the preservation of clean water. I wasn't sure if this process would reduce the availabilty of good compost. John -----Original Message----- From: Cary Oshins [mailto:cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:20 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] bioenergyconversion.com Hi John, Good to see you still lurking around on the list! No I have not heard of them and their website doesn't tell a whole lot. Their products are energy and "activated carbon". Activated carbon is a different market than compost, not really a competitor that I know of. I have requested more info from their website, www.bioenergyconversion.com Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:24 PM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock Cary Have you ever heard of Bioenergycoversion.com. It seems like they are making a carbon type product. Will tis take away from Composting? John Bentley Earth & Turf Products LLC _______________________________________ Join us as the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX. The Largest Conference & Exhibition in North America for the Composting, Wood Waste, & Organics Recycling Industry. The Most Comprehensive Program of 11 Training Courses, 100+ Educational & Technical Presentations, and Facility Tours & "Live" Equipment Demonstrations from 20+ Manufacturers. Conference Highlights & Program, Registration forms, Exhibitor Information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website. www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631. 737. 4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ _ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us Wed Nov 26 11:28:27 2008 From: KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us (KPowell@kdhe.state.ks.us) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:28:27 -0600 Subject: [USCC] bioenergyconversion.com In-Reply-To: <20081126161110.8E0C9AFCA8E@mx1.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: John and Cary, Since the other half of my job is working with the tire industry the process looks very similar to pyrolysis. Amazingly, none of the supporters of pyrolysis want to call it that anymore. They seem to like to disguise it using other terminology. The key terminology is closed loop, heat exchange, bio gas, carbon black or activated carbon and other user defined terms. My thoughts are be very careful of anyone proposing this type of operation. So far none have been commercially viable after government funding has run out. Ken Powell Environmental Scientist SW Processing Facilities Unit Kansas Department of Health & Environment Bureau of Waste Management 1000 SW Jackson, Suite 320 Topeka, KS 66612-1366 Phone: (785) 296-1121 Fax: (785) 296-1592 E-mail kpowell at kdhe.state.ks.us www.kdheks.gov/waste "John Bentley" To Sent by: "'Compost Discussion List'" compost-bounces at m ailman.cloudnet.c cc om Subject Re: [USCC] bioenergyconversion.com 11/26/2008 10:17 AM Please respond to Compost Discussion List Cary Yes I am still around. We continue to expand our line and Earth & Turf still grew in 2008 despite the down turn. My concern with the process was that it would divert green waste and manures away from composting. As you know I have been a supporter of composting for a number of years and am conerned with the quality of our soils, the reduction of the use of chemicals and the preservation of clean water. I wasn't sure if this process would reduce the availabilty of good compost. John -----Original Message----- From: Cary Oshins [mailto:cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:20 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] bioenergyconversion.com Hi John, Good to see you still lurking around on the list! No I have not heard of them and their website doesn't tell a whole lot. Their products are energy and "activated carbon". Activated carbon is a different market than compost, not really a competitor that I know of. I have requested more info from their website, www.bioenergyconversion.com Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:24 PM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock Cary Have you ever heard of Bioenergycoversion.com. It seems like they are making a carbon type product. Will tis take away from Composting? John Bentley Earth & Turf Products LLC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As I had mentioned to Cary my concern was competition for inputs like green waste, manure etc. vs. composting. John -----Original Message----- From: KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us [mailto:KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:28 PM To: Compost Discussion List Subject: Re: [USCC] bioenergyconversion.com John and Cary, Since the other half of my job is working with the tire industry the process looks very similar to pyrolysis. Amazingly, none of the supporters of pyrolysis want to call it that anymore. They seem to like to disguise it using other terminology. The key terminology is closed loop, heat exchange, bio gas, carbon black or activated carbon and other user defined terms. My thoughts are be very careful of anyone proposing this type of operation. So far none have been commercially viable after government funding has run out. Ken Powell Environmental Scientist SW Processing Facilities Unit Kansas Department of Health & Environment Bureau of Waste Management 1000 SW Jackson, Suite 320 Topeka, KS 66612-1366 Phone: (785) 296-1121 Fax: (785) 296-1592 E-mail kpowell at kdhe.state.ks.us www.kdheks.gov/waste "John Bentley" To Sent by: "'Compost Discussion List'" compost-bounces at m ailman.cloudnet.c cc om Subject Re: [USCC] bioenergyconversion.com 11/26/2008 10:17 AM Please respond to Compost Discussion List Cary Yes I am still around. We continue to expand our line and Earth & Turf still grew in 2008 despite the down turn. My concern with the process was that it would divert green waste and manures away from composting. As you know I have been a supporter of composting for a number of years and am conerned with the quality of our soils, the reduction of the use of chemicals and the preservation of clean water. I wasn't sure if this process would reduce the availabilty of good compost. John -----Original Message----- From: Cary Oshins [mailto:cary.oshins at compostingcouncil.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:20 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] bioenergyconversion.com Hi John, Good to see you still lurking around on the list! No I have not heard of them and their website doesn't tell a whole lot. Their products are energy and "activated carbon". Activated carbon is a different market than compost, not really a competitor that I know of. I have requested more info from their website, www.bioenergyconversion.com Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:24 PM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] calculating compost volume from weight of feedstock Cary Have you ever heard of Bioenergycoversion.com. It seems like they are making a carbon type product. Will tis take away from Composting? John Bentley Earth & Turf Products LLC