From BfleuryWeCare at aol.com Thu May 8 09:56:55 2008 From: BfleuryWeCare at aol.com (BfleuryWeCare@aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:56:55 EDT Subject: [USCC] NY State Assemblyman - Long Island Message-ID: Please visit the following link to see what New York State Assemblyman, Marc Alessi, is saying about composting. He states, "What we need to see is if endotoxins are associated with composting, because these are serious accusations of health problems, and if they are unfounded, then I don't want there to be a fear factor of the composting facility for no reason. But if the connection is there, then statewide we can start to shut down composting facilities but we would need the documentation to help us prove the case." _http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19669333&BRD=1776&PAG=461&dept_id=6 363&rfi=6_ (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19669333&BRD=1776&PAG=461&dept_id=6363&rfi=6) Brian Fleury WeCare Organics, LLC (C) 315 / 374 / 5098 bfleurywecare at aol.com _www.wecareorganics.com_ (http://www.wecareorganics.com/) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From e.denboer at web.de Thu May 8 13:32:04 2008 From: e.denboer at web.de (e.denboer@web.de) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 20:32:04 +0200 Subject: [USCC] pressure loss in the compost body Message-ID: <666256365@web.de> Dear All, I work on a concept for a forced aeration system in a kind of box composting system, in which household biowaste (kitchen + green waste) is supposed to be composted. I would be grateful if somebody could provide me with some realistic data for pressure of air flowing though the compost body in a vertical direction. I was trying to use the Ergun equation to calculate it, but I am also lacking realistic data for the air-filled porosity and the specific particle size of biowaste. I guess in this case empirical data for the pressure drop would be better than the theoretical one, I am looking forward to your answers, kind regards, Emilia den Boer Dr.-Ing.?Emilia?den?Boer tel/fax.?+48?71?7854999 e-mail.:?e.denboer at web.de From cary at compostingcouncil.org Fri May 9 07:34:48 2008 From: cary at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:34:48 -0400 Subject: [USCC] NY State Assemblyman - Long Island In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011501c8b1d1$123a7000$36af5000$@org> Since endotoxins are ubiquitous in any area with high levels of organic matter dust, such as barns, grain mills and paper recycling facilities, they will be present at composting facilities as well. There is no epidemiological evidence that there is increased risk to the public from endotoxins at composting facilities. The USCC has an excellent factsheet on endotoxins written by Elliot Epstein. It will be available as a free download as soon as the new website gets up (which will be in the very near future). In the meantime, the USCC Legislative and Environmental Affairs Committee can discuss a response to Representative Alessi, probably writing a letter and providing a copy of the factsheet. If anyone one like a copy of the factsheet emailed to them, please contact me directly. Cary ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council 1010 North 13th St. Allentown, PA 18102 phone: 484-547-1521 fax: 484-274-6779 cary at compostingcouncil.org USCC Main Office: 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 fax: 631-737-4939 ? Celebrate International Compost Awareness Week, May 4, 2008 to May 10, 2008 "The Possibilities are Endless ... Compost!" Get details at www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of BfleuryWeCare at aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:57 AM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] NY State Assemblyman - Long Island Please visit the following link to see what New York State Assemblyman, Marc Alessi, is saying about composting. He states, "What we need to see is if endotoxins are associated with composting, because these are serious accusations of health problems, and if they are unfounded, then I don't want there to be a fear factor of the composting facility for no reason. But if the connection is there, then statewide we can start to shut down composting facilities but we would need the documentation to help us prove the case." _http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19669333&BRD=1776&PAG=461&dept_id =6 363&rfi=6_ (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19669333&BRD=1776&PAG=461&dept_id =6363&rfi=6) Brian Fleury WeCare Organics, LLC (C) 315 / 374 / 5098 bfleurywecare at aol.com _www.wecareorganics.com_ (http://www.wecareorganics.com/) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.11/1422 - Release Date: 5/8/2008 5:24 PM From gbrec at comcast.net Wed May 14 13:50:42 2008 From: gbrec at comcast.net (Gary Bright) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:50:42 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Does composting rid of chemicals in manure Message-ID: <20080514185717.1E8E947BEE1@mx1.cloudnet.com> Today I was asked this question from a watch-dog agency in Michigan; "How do you treat the 168 chemicals in the manure and the growth hormones and antibiotics" ? I think I could answer that in part but need someone to share one better then I can muster up. Gary gbrec at comcast.net From rrengel at yahoo.com Thu May 15 11:28:55 2008 From: rrengel at yahoo.com (Bob Engel) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids Message-ID: <880641.18182.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a question that I have not been able to find in the EPA 503? regulations. At least not stated real clearly! Once biosolids are composted at a approved facility and have undergone treatment are the land application guidlines for biosolids still applied? It is my feeling that once composted they are not biosolids anymore but a complete new product bearing no resemblance to the feedstock used to make the compost. Look forward to any answer?and if you can refer to the regulation it would be great. Bob Engel Bob at gotcompost.com??? From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us Thu May 15 18:07:43 2008 From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:07:43 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids In-Reply-To: <880641.18182.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <880641.18182.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <482C7BEF.FFDC.0044.0@tceq.state.tx.us> Unless the rules have changed recently: if your composting process meets the criteria under the Processes to Further Reduce Pathogens, as part of the rules for Class A biosolids, then the compost qualifies as Class A biosolids without restrictions on distribution and use, and are thus no longer subject to the land application guidelines for Class B biosolids. Bill Carter Water Quality Monitoring & Assessment MC 165 Texas Commission on Environmental Quality P.O. Box 13087 Austin, TX 78711-3087 Phone: 512-239-6771 Fax: 512-239-4410 wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us >>> Bob Engel 5/15/2008 11:28 AM >>> I have a question that I have not been able to find in the EPA 503 regulations. At least not stated real clearly! Once biosolids are composted at a approved facility and have undergone treatment are the land application guidlines for biosolids still applied? It is my feeling that once composted they are not biosolids anymore but a complete new product bearing no resemblance to the feedstock used to make the compost. Look forward to any answer and if you can refer to the regulation it would be great. Bob Engel Bob at gotcompost.com _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From pat at crowleyconsultants.com Thu May 15 20:04:35 2008 From: pat at crowleyconsultants.com (Frank Crowley) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:04:35 -0600 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids In-Reply-To: <880641.18182.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would refer you to 40 CFR 503.10(c)(1) for bulk material, and 40 CFR 503.10(f) for bagged material. If the material derived from sewage sludge meets pollutant concentration limits, is Class A for pathogens, and has been reduced to meet the vector attraction requirements, it drops out of the regulation. Don't you just love reading 503? Pat Crowley Crowley Consultants LLC 1935 Lucky Strike Road Helena, MT 59602 (406) 458-1935 phone and fax (406) 439-9231 cell pat at crowleyconsultants.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Bob Engel Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:29 AM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids I have a question that I have not been able to find in the EPA 503? regulations. At least not stated real clearly! Once biosolids are composted at a approved facility and have undergone treatment are the land application guidlines for biosolids still applied? It is my feeling that once composted they are not biosolids anymore but a complete new product bearing no resemblance to the feedstock used to make the compost. Look forward to any answer?and if you can refer to the regulation it would be great. Bob Engel Bob at gotcompost.com??? _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:24 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:24 AM From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV Fri May 16 06:43:50 2008 From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:43:50 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids In-Reply-To: <880641.18182.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Bob et al.: 503 is clear that once biosolids, always biosolids. Composting is a treatment process. Yes, a wonderful process that reduces many of the management problems with biosolids, and removes the infectious risk of Class B materials. The other key is the "Exceptional Quality" which is the combination of Class A and containing lower than the "alternative pollutant limit, APL" levels of metals. If a biosolids meets the APL, and the biosolids mixture with other composting feedstocks achieves Class A treatment, then it can be marketed as a product rather than being applied under a permit. A permit is needed for the process and label on the product which must still say it was derived partially from biosolids. So, no matter how much the material is changed/improved by composting, it technically remains a biosolids product which requires labeling and compliance with 503. Easy compliance at that point, but still compliance. Knowing what we know about composting, it is not unreasonable to feel that a material that has been composted properly is so changed that it should not be considered in the same thought as the smelly, germy feedstocks. The biochemical transformations are many and valuable. And the slow release fertilizer part of the compost is quite valuable. And the ability to remediate infertile soils. But the law is clear, once a biosolids, always a biosolids (biosolids is a plural noun) Regards, Rufus Chaney Beltsville, MD -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Bob Engel Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:29 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids I have a question that I have not been able to find in the EPA 503? regulations. At least not stated real clearly! Once biosolids are composted at a approved facility and have undergone treatment are the land application guidlines for biosolids still applied? It is my feeling that once composted they are not biosolids anymore but a complete new product bearing no resemblance to the feedstock used to make the compost. Look forward to any answer?and if you can refer to the regulation it would be great. Bob Engel Bob at gotcompost.com??? _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From hodgesenviro at sbcglobal.net Fri May 16 10:26:58 2008 From: hodgesenviro at sbcglobal.net (Dan Hodges) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:26:58 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids References: <880641.18182.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <041901c8b769$496ae350$4101a8c0@hodges101b0acb> Bob: An attempt to answer your question. The Excellent Quality term is nowhere to be found in the 503 rule, but for purpose of your question I would assume that that is what you are producing. The following paragraphs I have copied for EPA's guidance manual in bold below. It all relates to the pollutant concentrations, the pathogen treatment and vector attraction reduction measures that are utilized. Composting in accordance with the 503 rule should achieve vector attraction reduction in that process. EPA's guidance manuals for Control of pathogen and vector attraction reduction, land application (referred to below), and the "A Plain English Guide to EPA Part 503 Biosolids Rule can really be quite good in answering your question. These guidance manuals can be located electronically on EPA's web site or at a web site such NBP.org. Hope this helps. Danny Hodges Hodges Environmental Consulting Yukon, Oklahoma Exceptional Quality sewage sludge- Sewage sludge that meets the most stringent limits for the three sludge quality parameters. In gauging sewage sludge quality, EPA determined that three main parameters of concern should be considered: (1) pollutant levels, (2) the relative presence or absence of pathogenic organisms, such as salmonella and E-Coli bacteria, enteric viruses, or viable helminth ova, and (3) the degree of attractiveness of the sewage sludge to vectors, such as flies, rats, and mosquitoes, that could potentially come in contact with pathogenic organisms and spread disease. Given these three variables, there can be a number of possible sewage 8 Section One Introduction sludge qualities. The term Exceptional Quality (EQ), which does not appear in the Part 503 regulation, is used to describe sewage sludge that meets the highest quality for all three of these Sewage sludge quality parameters (i.e., ceiling concentrations and pollutant concentrations in 503.13 for metals, one of the Class A pathogen reduction alternatives, and one of the sewage sludge processing vector attraction reduction options 1 through 8). Land appliers who apply sewage sludge that is certified by the preparer as Class 503.15 and 503.32 A have no requirements relative to pathogens. In addition to these you need to reference 503.33 Land Application of Sewage Sludge A Guide for Land Appliers on the Requirements of the Federal Standards for the Use or Disposal of Sewage Sludge, 40 CFR Part 503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Engel" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:28 AM Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids I have a question that I have not been able to find in the EPA 503 regulations. At least not stated real clearly! Once biosolids are composted at a approved facility and have undergone treatment are the land application guidlines for biosolids still applied? It is my feeling that once composted they are not biosolids anymore but a complete new product bearing no resemblance to the feedstock used to make the compost. Look forward to any answer and if you can refer to the regulation it would be great. Bob Engel Bob at gotcompost.com _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From maureen.reilly at sympatico.ca Fri May 16 12:29:46 2008 From: maureen.reilly at sympatico.ca (Maureen Reilly) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:29:46 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids In-Reply-To: <880641.18182.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: RE: Land Application of Composted Sewage Sludges In a legal, regulatory way sewage sludges that have been composted are still sewage sludge biosolids. If the process to compost was Part 503 compliant (and not all are) then this is Class A sewage sludge. The details of the obligations entailed in producing Part 503 compliant sewage sludge compost are found in Part 503.32. Look at the Processes to Further Reduce Pathogens. Some of the US facilities making sewage sludge compost are not compliant with Part 503 Class A compost requirements. Some states have additional testing and reporting requirements. If sewage sludge compost is sold in a bag in the US then there is a lower regulatory control regarding application rates. The Part 503 requirements are regulations ... not 'guidelines'. Maureen Reilly Sludge Watch ............................. >From: Bob Engel >Reply-To: Compost Discussion List >To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com >Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids >Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) > >I have a question that I have not been able to find in the EPA 503? >regulations. >At least not stated real clearly! >Once biosolids are composted at a approved facility and have undergone >treatment are the land application guidlines for biosolids still applied? >It is my feeling that once composted they are not biosolids anymore but a >complete new product bearing no resemblance to the feedstock used to make >the compost. >Look forward to any answer?and if you can refer to the regulation it would >be great. >Bob Engel >Bob at gotcompost.com??? > > > >_______________________________________ >Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show >January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. >The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of >the composting and organics recycling industry. >Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and >Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: >www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 >______________________________________________________________________________ >Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com >http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost >_______________________________________ >This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). >(c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > >Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, >or the Board of Directors. > >Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website >at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > >Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their >posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information >regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: >http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > >For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a >message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From cary at compostingcouncil.org Mon May 19 08:34:30 2008 From: cary at compostingcouncil.org (Cary Oshins) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:34:30 -0400 Subject: [USCC] drywall dust Message-ID: <015001c8b9b5$10eb14c0$32c13e40$@org> We received the following inquiry. Obviously drywall dust is not biodegradable (except for a little paper), but I wanted to get more info on environmental impacts before responding. Thanks! Cary Victoria, from Annapolis, MD, wrote ?I assist homeowners in the building / remodeling process. We were wondering if drywall dust is biodegradable and / or will it harm the environment if we clean a shop vac filter outside with drywall dust in the filter - does it absorb back into the soil correctly.? ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council 1010 North 13th St. Allentown, PA 18102 phone: 484-547-1521 fax: 484-274-6779 HYPERLINK "mailto:cary at compostingcouncil.org"cary at compostingcouncil.org USCC Main Office: 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 fax: 631-737-4939 Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at HYPERLINK "http://www.compostingcouncil.org"www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 5/18/2008 9:31 AM From marcher at mjaorganics.com Mon May 19 13:18:38 2008 From: marcher at mjaorganics.com (Mike Archer, MJA Organics) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:18:38 -0500 Subject: [USCC] drywall dust In-Reply-To: <015001c8b9b5$10eb14c0$32c13e40$@org> Message-ID: <622A5CE7FF1E4527B770A24BEBA59599@MIKE> Drywall is primarily gypsum, CaSO4. Therefore any reaction will involve the calcium and sulfate portions. Gypsum is used as a soil conditioner to correct soil pH levels. Michael Archer MJA Organics LLC 414.897.6368 marcher at mjaorganics.com www.mjaorganics.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Cary Oshins Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:35 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [USCC] drywall dust We received the following inquiry. Obviously drywall dust is not biodegradable (except for a little paper), but I wanted to get more info on environmental impacts before responding. Thanks! Cary Victoria, from Annapolis, MD, wrote "I assist homeowners in the building / remodeling process. We were wondering if drywall dust is biodegradable and / or will it harm the environment if we clean a shop vac filter outside with drywall dust in the filter - does it absorb back into the soil correctly." ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council 1010 North 13th St. Allentown, PA 18102 phone: 484-547-1521 fax: 484-274-6779 HYPERLINK "mailto:cary at compostingcouncil.org"cary at compostingcouncil.org USCC Main Office: 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 fax: 631-737-4939 Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at HYPERLINK "http://www.compostingcouncil.org"www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 5/18/2008 9:31 AM _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us Tue May 20 10:15:20 2008 From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:15:20 -0500 Subject: [USCC] drywall dust In-Reply-To: <622A5CE7FF1E4527B770A24BEBA59599@MIKE> References: <015001c8b9b5$10eb14c0$32c13e40$@org> <622A5CE7FF1E4527B770A24BEBA59599@MIKE> Message-ID: <4832A4B8.FFDC.0044.0@tceq.state.tx.us> There have been several studies and best-practices reports on using gypsum wallboard scrap on-site to condition the soil at construction sites, such as the Georgia report at http://www.eere.energy.gov/buildings/building_america/pdfs/db/33989.pdf. It's best done by thorough shredding and even distribution across the yard. The paper seems to be a problem only if it ends up in large clumps or is not incorporated in the soil and ends up blowing around. If applied in really heavy amounts, the gypsum could affect nutrient balance. However, it is used liberally in horticulture to increase soil moisture retention and to increase buffering capacity, thus helping correct any pH problems, and overdoing it on an entire yard would take a lot. >>> "Mike Archer, MJA Organics" 5/19/2008 1:18 PM >>> Drywall is primarily gypsum, CaSO4. Therefore any reaction will involve the calcium and sulfate portions. Gypsum is used as a soil conditioner to correct soil pH levels. Michael Archer MJA Organics LLC 414.897.6368 marcher at mjaorganics.com www.mjaorganics.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Cary Oshins Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:35 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [USCC] drywall dust We received the following inquiry. Obviously drywall dust is not biodegradable (except for a little paper), but I wanted to get more info on environmental impacts before responding. Thanks! Cary Victoria, from Annapolis, MD, wrote "I assist homeowners in the building / remodeling process. We were wondering if drywall dust is biodegradable and / or will it harm the environment if we clean a shop vac filter outside with drywall dust in the filter - does it absorb back into the soil correctly." ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council 1010 North 13th St. Allentown, PA 18102 phone: 484-547-1521 fax: 484-274-6779 HYPERLINK "mailto:cary at compostingcouncil.org"cary at compostingcouncil.org USCC Main Office: 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 fax: 631-737-4939 Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at HYPERLINK "http://www.compostingcouncil.org"www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 5/18/2008 9:31 AM _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us Tue May 20 10:30:25 2008 From: KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us (KPowell@kdhe.state.ks.us) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:30:25 -0500 Subject: [USCC] drywall dust In-Reply-To: <622A5CE7FF1E4527B770A24BEBA59599@MIKE> Message-ID: In Kansas we have had several operations want to incorporate drywall into their composting operations. As long as it is a small percentage and ground fine, it seems to disappear without harming the process. The problem comes in if the drywall is in too large a quantity or not incorporated properly and the compost is wet (anaerobic). Hydrogen sulfide gas (rotten egg smell) is the result. The nose can detect the odor before it becomes toxic but does not differentiate between that level and the toxic level. We have had problems at two sites where they actually had to bury in a landfill a significant portion of their compost because of the H2S problem. Small amounts of dust like they are talking about can be spread on the ground and when worked in will probably not cause a problem. They would need to be sure it is a thin layer and that the ground was not already alkaline. They should probably check with their local extension agent for information. Ken Powell Environmental Scientist SW Processing Facilities and Planning Unit Kansas Department of Health & Environment Bureau of Waste Management 1000 SW Jackson, Suite 320 Topeka, KS 66612-1366 Phone: (785) 296-1121 Fax: (785) 296-1592 E-mail kpowell at kdhe.state.ks.us www.kdheks.gov/waste "Mike Archer, MJA Organics" "'Compost Discussion List'" Sent by: compost-bounces at m cc ailman.cloudnet.c om Subject [USCC] drywall dust 05/19/2008 01:18 PM Please respond to Compost Discussion List Drywall is primarily gypsum, CaSO4. Therefore any reaction will involve the calcium and sulfate portions. Gypsum is used as a soil conditioner to correct soil pH levels. Michael Archer MJA Organics LLC 414.897.6368 marcher at mjaorganics.com www.mjaorganics.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Cary Oshins Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:35 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [USCC] drywall dust We received the following inquiry. Obviously drywall dust is not biodegradable (except for a little paper), but I wanted to get more info on environmental impacts before responding. Thanks! Cary Victoria, from Annapolis, MD, wrote "I assist homeowners in the building / remodeling process. We were wondering if drywall dust is biodegradable and / or will it harm the environment if we clean a shop vac filter outside with drywall dust in the filter - does it absorb back into the soil correctly." ____________________________________ Cary Oshins Assistant Director of Programs US Composting Council 1010 North 13th St. Allentown, PA 18102 phone: 484-547-1521 fax: 484-274-6779 HYPERLINK "mailto:cary at compostingcouncil.org"cary at compostingcouncil.org USCC Main Office: 1 Comac Loop, Suite 14B1 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 phone: 631-737-4931 fax: 631-737-4939 Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show, January 26-29, 2009 at the Westin Galleria, Houston, TX Register at HYPERLINK "http://www.compostingcouncil.org"www.compostingcouncil.org Help support your industry. Become a member today!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 5/18/2008 9:31 AM _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From dpw180 at co.santa-cruz.ca.us Tue May 20 14:38:16 2008 From: dpw180 at co.santa-cruz.ca.us (Dan De Grassi) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:38:16 -0700 Subject: [USCC] green waste-food waste co-collection Message-ID: <6469737A542FAD4B9F7442DFE725FB230552DF68@sczex01.co.santa-cruz.ca.us> I'm interested in finding numbers for household participation rates for residential curbside co-collection of green waste and food waste (e.g., % of total households participating, frequency of participation, % of food waste diverted per household, etc). Specific experiences and study references are both welcomed. From rubinhial at verizon.net Tue May 20 15:03:05 2008 From: rubinhial at verizon.net (A RUBIN) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:03:05 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids References: <880641.18182.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00df01c8bab4$849d2570$0201a8c0@D9KT3811> Bob: The answer is yes, the biosolids compost is still under the Part 503 Standards. Please call me at 703-385-8203 and I will elaborate. Cheers Alan Rubin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Engel" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids I have a question that I have not been able to find in the EPA 503 regulations. At least not stated real clearly! Once biosolids are composted at a approved facility and have undergone treatment are the land application guidlines for biosolids still applied? It is my feeling that once composted they are not biosolids anymore but a complete new product bearing no resemblance to the feedstock used to make the compost. Look forward to any answer and if you can refer to the regulation it would be great. Bob Engel Bob at gotcompost.com From pat at crowleyconsultants.com Wed May 21 00:10:02 2008 From: pat at crowleyconsultants.com (Frank Crowley) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:10:02 -0600 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <49796DB02F1C47AB83102DFA8EF02C82@Pats> Rufus, Bill, and Maureen: I think we need to hear from one of the regulators, i.e. Brobst or Bastien, or even Al Rubin on this. My reading on the 503.10(c)(1) and 503.10(f) sections I quoted seem to be quite different from your opinions. I think that if you have done the appropriate reductions in pathogens and vector attraction, and have done the testing for metals [503.13(b)(3) list] and pathogens, the label requirement and land application restrictions go away. Some States may have different requirements, however. Maureen.........We are talking here ONLY about material that has been treated and tested to meet all of the Class A requirements for pathogens and vector attraction, and meets the metals requirements. The land application of Class B, or material that does not meet the strict metals requirements in 503(b)(3), both of which some facilities do produce, is more regulated under 503. It is true that some composters are better than others, but most are VERY picky to make sure they are delivering quality product. I know my clients are. It is either the best or it does not go out the gate. Pat Crowley Crowley Consultants LLC 1935 Lucky Strike Road Helena, MT 59602 (406) 458-1935 phone and fax (406) 439-9231 cell pat at crowleyconsultants.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Chaney, Rufus Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:44 AM To: Compost Discussion List Subject: Re: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids Dear Bob et al.: 503 is clear that once biosolids, always biosolids. Composting is a treatment process. Yes, a wonderful process that reduces many of the management problems with biosolids, and removes the infectious risk of Class B materials. The other key is the "Exceptional Quality" which is the combination of Class A and containing lower than the "alternative pollutant limit, APL" levels of metals. If a biosolids meets the APL, and the biosolids mixture with other composting feedstocks achieves Class A treatment, then it can be marketed as a product rather than being applied under a permit. A permit is needed for the process and label on the product which must still say it was derived partially from biosolids. So, no matter how much the material is changed/improved by composting, it technically remains a biosolids product which requires labeling and compliance with 503. Easy compliance at that point, but still compliance. Knowing what we know about composting, it is not unreasonable to feel that a material that has been composted properly is so changed that it should not be considered in the same thought as the smelly, germy feedstocks. The biochemical transformations are many and valuable. And the slow release fertilizer part of the compost is quite valuable. And the ability to remediate infertile soils. But the law is clear, once a biosolids, always a biosolids (biosolids is a plural noun) Regards, Rufus Chaney Beltsville, MD -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Bob Engel Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:29 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids I have a question that I have not been able to find in the EPA 503? regulations. At least not stated real clearly! Once biosolids are composted at a approved facility and have undergone treatment are the land application guidlines for biosolids still applied? It is my feeling that once composted they are not biosolids anymore but a complete new product bearing no resemblance to the feedstock used to make the compost. Look forward to any answer?and if you can refer to the regulation it would be great. Bob Engel Bob at gotcompost.com??? _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 5/18/2008 9:31 AM From edo_mcgowan at hotmail.com Wed May 21 14:49:11 2008 From: edo_mcgowan at hotmail.com (Edo McGowan) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:49:11 +0000 Subject: [USCC] green waste-food waste co-collection In-Reply-To: <6469737A542FAD4B9F7442DFE725FB230552DF68@sczex01.co.santa-cruz.ca.us> References: <6469737A542FAD4B9F7442DFE725FB230552DF68@sczex01.co.santa-cruz.ca.us> Message-ID: Several years ago, Santa Barbara had home-owner separated recyclable materials. You might contact The Resource Recovery and Waste Management Division within the Santa Barbara County Public Works Department, Tel (805) 882-3600 Fax (805) 882-3601, Office hours: 8:00am - 12:00pm and 1:00pm - 5:00pm Monday - Friday. Within that Division, there is the Multi-Jurisdictional Solid Waste Task Group. The Task Group is designed to provide the communities within Santa Barbara County with a forum to discuss and plan long-term solid waste management and did some extensive studies on this subject about 5 years back. They produced several reports. Cheers-----------Edo ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:38:16 -0700 > From: dpw180 at co.santa-cruz.ca.us > To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > Subject: [USCC] green waste-food waste co-collection > > I'm interested in finding numbers for household participation rates for > residential curbside co-collection of green waste and food waste (e.g., > % of total households participating, frequency of participation, % of > food waste diverted per household, etc). Specific experiences and study > references are both welcomed. > _______________________________________ > Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show > January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. > The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. > Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org _________________________________________________________________ From hshields at worldpath.net Wed May 21 14:34:32 2008 From: hshields at worldpath.net (Helane Shields) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:34:32 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids Message-ID: <00a601c8bb79$b2480380$0200000a@helanesys> Promoting Class A sewage sludge "biosolids" as an unregulated pathogen free fertilizer is a fraud on the public. The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and waste industry know there is no sewage pathogen reduction method which deactivates human and/or animal prions. To the contrary, research confirms that wastewater treatment reconcentrates the infectious prions in the sewage sludge. Human victims of Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease (CJD) are shedding infectious prions into public sewers, to end up in both Class B sewage sludge and Class A sludge compost. Between 2 and 25% of the over 4.5 million cases of Alzheimer's Disease and senile dementia victims in the US are actually infected with sporadic CJD. (Manuelidis, et al, 1989; Boller, et al, 1989, 1995; Harrison, 1991; Teixeira, 1995; Warren, et al, 2005) creating the reality that many thousands of sCJD victims are shedding infectious prions into public sewers. Prions have been found in the blood and urine of CJD victims. (Gabizon, et al, 2001; Reichl, et al 2002) . Undertakers and medical facilities routinely discharge CJD infected blood and body fluids into public sewers. (Yale; UC Davis, CDC) Prions can cross the intestinal barrier by riding piggyback on ferritin, a protein normally absorbed by the intestine. Because ferritin shares considerable homology across species, these data suggest that PrPSc-associated proteins, in particular ferritin, may facilitate PrPSc uptake in the intestine from distant species, leading to a carrier state in humans. (Singh, et al 2004) " . . . enteric infection at early as well as later stages of (CJD) disease, and regardless of the route of agent entry, implicates potential environmental spread by fecal matter." (Radebold, et al 2001) Class B sewage sludge "biosolids" is expected to be pathogenic. EPA allows land applied sludge "biosolids" to contain fecal coliform up to 2 million CFU/gram. But the EPA and waste industry promote the use of "pathogen-free" Class A sludge "biosolids" compost on playgrounds, ball fields, public parks, and home flower and vegetable gardens . "Pathogen free" is clearly not the case when the Class A sludge compost can contain infectious human and animal prions. Not only are livestock and wildlife at risk from ingesting prion infected soil and sludge, but humans, and particularly children, are especially at risk because their hand to mouth behavior results in the ingestion of dirt (Robischon, 1971; LaGoy, 1987; Binder, et al 1986; Gerba, et al 2002 ; CDC, Callahan, 2004). The EPA guidelines and disclosures on pathogens in Class A sludge "biosolids" compost need to be revisited. And suggesting this toxic/pathogenic Class A waste be totally unregulated is reckless as research piles up documenting the amplification and long survival of infectious human and animal prions in soil. (CWD prions in soil amplified 700 times, Pedersen, Aiken, 2007) Helane Shields, Alton, NH From GWALL at cstx.gov Wed May 21 16:31:34 2008 From: GWALL at cstx.gov (Greg Wall) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:31:34 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids In-Reply-To: <00a601c8bb79$b2480380$0200000a@helanesys> References: <00a601c8bb79$b2480380$0200000a@helanesys> Message-ID: <48344E66.C803.003A.0@cstx.gov> If this premise is true Wastewater operators and sewer line repair folks aught to be just ate up with CJD. Next, how would propose we dispose of this material safely? >>> "Helane Shields" 5/21/2008 2:34 PM >>> Promoting Class A sewage sludge "biosolids" as an unregulated pathogen free fertilizer is a fraud on the public. The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and waste industry know there is no sewage pathogen reduction method which deactivates human and/or animal prions. To the contrary, research confirms that wastewater treatment reconcentrates the infectious prions in the sewage sludge. Human victims of Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease (CJD) are shedding infectious prions into public sewers, to end up in both Class B sewage sludge and Class A sludge compost. Between 2 and 25% of the over 4.5 million cases of Alzheimer's Disease and senile dementia victims in the US are actually infected with sporadic CJD. (Manuelidis, et al, 1989; Boller, et al, 1989, 1995; Harrison, 1991; Teixeira, 1995; Warren, et al, 2005) creating the reality that many thousands of sCJD victims are shedding infectious prions into public sewers. Prions have been found in the blood and urine of CJD victims. (Gabizon, et al, 2001; Reichl, et al 2002) . Undertakers and medical facilities routinely discharge CJD infected blood and body fluids into public sewers. (Yale; UC Davis, CDC) Prions can cross the intestinal barrier by riding piggyback on ferritin, a protein normally absorbed by the intestine. Because ferritin shares considerable homology across species, these data suggest that PrPSc-associated proteins, in particular ferritin, may facilitate PrPSc uptake in the intestine from distant species, leading to a carrier state in humans. (Singh, et al 2004) " . . . enteric infection at early as well as later stages of (CJD) disease, and regardless of the route of agent entry, implicates potential environmental spread by fecal matter." (Radebold, et al 2001) Class B sewage sludge "biosolids" is expected to be pathogenic. EPA allows land applied sludge "biosolids" to contain fecal coliform up to 2 million CFU/gram. But the EPA and waste industry promote the use of "pathogen-free" Class A sludge "biosolids" compost on playgrounds, ball fields, public parks, and home flower and vegetable gardens . "Pathogen free" is clearly not the case when the Class A sludge compost can contain infectious human and animal prions. Not only are livestock and wildlife at risk from ingesting prion infected soil and sludge, but humans, and particularly children, are especially at risk because their hand to mouth behavior results in the ingestion of dirt (Robischon, 1971; LaGoy, 1987; Binder, et al 1986; Gerba, et al 2002 ; CDC, Callahan, 2004). The EPA guidelines and disclosures on pathogens in Class A sludge "biosolids" compost need to be revisited. And suggesting this toxic/pathogenic Class A waste be totally unregulated is reckless as research piles up documenting the amplification and long survival of infectious human and animal prions in soil. (CWD prions in soil amplified 700 times, Pedersen, Aiken, 2007) Helane Shields, Alton, NH _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org College Station. Heart of the Research Valley. From gevanylo at vt.edu Thu May 22 15:47:21 2008 From: gevanylo at vt.edu (Greg Evanylo) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:47:21 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Searching for dining hall food waste composter Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080522163815.0248a778@vt.edu> The catering director for Shenandoah University in Winchester, Virginia is interested in finding a person/company/farm that will pick up their food waste including produce, biodegradable paper goods, etc. , which they currently dispose in a landfill. Please contact David Grumbacher, who wishes to recycle their foodwastes via composting as a project for the President's Sustainability Council. David Grumbacher SODEXO CATERING Catering Director Shenandoah University 1460 University Drive Winchester, VA 22601 Office: 540.665.4924 Fax: 540.665.4811 Email: dining at su.edu Website: www.shenandoahdining.com Greg Evanylo Professor and Extension Specialist Crop and Soil Environmental Sciences (0403) 426 Smyth Hall, Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24061 Ph: 540-231-9739 Fax: 540-231-3075 Cell: 540-257-4647 gevanylo at vt.edu From kholcomb at anra.org Thu May 22 12:57:17 2008 From: kholcomb at anra.org (Kelley Holcomb) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:57:17 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids In-Reply-To: <48344E66.C803.003A.0@cstx.gov> References: <00a601c8bb79$b2480380$0200000a@helanesys> <48344E66.C803.003A.0@cstx.gov> Message-ID: <004501c8bc35$46988b70$fa01a8c0@kholcomb> Greg: I'm with you on this one. I've been working in the wastewater business for over 20 years, I've been around and in it all those years. I've been down manholes more time that I can count, lift stations, bar screens all those sorts of places where untreated wastewater has greater potential to cause disease. If anything, my immune system is stronger now than before I started 20 something years ago. I've been doing a little research on the Prions issue. Most of what I found is inconclusive. That certainly does not mean that we should assume it is not fact, it does mean that we need more research. I can't say I agree or disagree with Mrs. Shields because there is a lack of information. My primary concern is that someone sounds the alarm without there actually being a fire. My reasoning is that the biosolids composting provides vital and thus far safe disposal methods for biosolids. Again, I am not saying that changes are not warranted, only that we need all of the facts before we make conclusions. -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wall Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:32 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: Re: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids If this premise is true Wastewater operators and sewer line repair folks aught to be just ate up with CJD. Next, how would propose we dispose of this material safely? >>> "Helane Shields" 5/21/2008 2:34 PM >>> Promoting Class A sewage sludge "biosolids" as an unregulated pathogen free fertilizer is a fraud on the public. The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and waste industry know there is no sewage pathogen reduction method which deactivates human and/or animal prions. To the contrary, research confirms that wastewater treatment reconcentrates the infectious prions in the sewage sludge. Human victims of Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease (CJD) are shedding infectious prions into public sewers, to end up in both Class B sewage sludge and Class A sludge compost. Between 2 and 25% of the over 4.5 million cases of Alzheimer's Disease and senile dementia victims in the US are actually infected with sporadic CJD. (Manuelidis, et al, 1989; Boller, et al, 1989, 1995; Harrison, 1991; Teixeira, 1995; Warren, et al, 2005) creating the reality that many thousands of sCJD victims are shedding infectious prions into public sewers. Prions have been found in the blood and urine of CJD victims. (Gabizon, et al, 2001; Reichl, et al 2002) . Undertakers and medical facilities routinely discharge CJD infected blood and body fluids into public sewers. (Yale; UC Davis, CDC) Prions can cross the intestinal barrier by riding piggyback on ferritin, a protein normally absorbed by the intestine. Because ferritin shares considerable homology across species, these data suggest that PrPSc-associated proteins, in particular ferritin, may facilitate PrPSc uptake in the intestine from distant species, leading to a carrier state in humans. (Singh, et al 2004) " . . . enteric infection at early as well as later stages of (CJD) disease, and regardless of the route of agent entry, implicates potential environmental spread by fecal matter." (Radebold, et al 2001) Class B sewage sludge "biosolids" is expected to be pathogenic. EPA allows land applied sludge "biosolids" to contain fecal coliform up to 2 million CFU/gram. But the EPA and waste industry promote the use of "pathogen-free" Class A sludge "biosolids" compost on playgrounds, ball fields, public parks, and home flower and vegetable gardens . "Pathogen free" is clearly not the case when the Class A sludge compost can contain infectious human and animal prions. Not only are livestock and wildlife at risk from ingesting prion infected soil and sludge, but humans, and particularly children, are especially at risk because their hand to mouth behavior results in the ingestion of dirt (Robischon, 1971; LaGoy, 1987; Binder, et al 1986; Gerba, et al 2002 ; CDC, Callahan, 2004). The EPA guidelines and disclosures on pathogens in Class A sludge "biosolids" compost need to be revisited. And suggesting this toxic/pathogenic Class A waste be totally unregulated is reckless as research piles up documenting the amplification and long survival of infectious human and animal prions in soil. (CWD prions in soil amplified 700 times, Pedersen, Aiken, 2007) Helane Shields, Alton, NH _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org College Station. Heart of the Research Valley. _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV Mon May 26 17:04:31 2008 From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:04:31 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids In-Reply-To: <49796DB02F1C47AB83102DFA8EF02C82@Pats> Message-ID: Dear Composters: I forwarded this note from Frank Crowley to two officials in EPA who deal with the regulation of biosolids, Rick Stevens (replaced Rubin when Rubin retired) and Jim Smith (pathogen equivalency committee leader). Perhaps they will provide a specific response which will assist in clarifying how biosolids compost products are made and labeled. Regards, Rufus Chaney Beltsville, MD -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Frank Crowley Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:10 AM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids Rufus, Bill, and Maureen: I think we need to hear from one of the regulators, i.e. Brobst or Bastien, or even Al Rubin on this. My reading on the 503.10(c)(1) and 503.10(f) sections I quoted seem to be quite different from your opinions. I think that if you have done the appropriate reductions in pathogens and vector attraction, and have done the testing for metals [503.13(b)(3) list] and pathogens, the label requirement and land application restrictions go away. Some States may have different requirements, however. Maureen.........We are talking here ONLY about material that has been treated and tested to meet all of the Class A requirements for pathogens and vector attraction, and meets the metals requirements. The land application of Class B, or material that does not meet the strict metals requirements in 503(b)(3), both of which some facilities do produce, is more regulated under 503. It is true that some composters are better than others, but most are VERY picky to make sure they are delivering quality product. I know my clients are. It is either the best or it does not go out the gate. Pat Crowley Crowley Consultants LLC 1935 Lucky Strike Road Helena, MT 59602 (406) 458-1935 phone and fax (406) 439-9231 cell pat at crowleyconsultants.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Chaney, Rufus Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:44 AM To: Compost Discussion List Subject: Re: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids Dear Bob et al.: 503 is clear that once biosolids, always biosolids. Composting is a treatment process. Yes, a wonderful process that reduces many of the management problems with biosolids, and removes the infectious risk of Class B materials. The other key is the "Exceptional Quality" which is the combination of Class A and containing lower than the "alternative pollutant limit, APL" levels of metals. If a biosolids meets the APL, and the biosolids mixture with other composting feedstocks achieves Class A treatment, then it can be marketed as a product rather than being applied under a permit. A permit is needed for the process and label on the product which must still say it was derived partially from biosolids. So, no matter how much the material is changed/improved by composting, it technically remains a biosolids product which requires labeling and compliance with 503. Easy compliance at that point, but still compliance. Knowing what we know about composting, it is not unreasonable to feel that a material that has been composted properly is so changed that it should not be considered in the same thought as the smelly, germy feedstocks. The biochemical transformations are many and valuable. And the slow release fertilizer part of the compost is quite valuable. And the ability to remediate infertile soils. But the law is clear, once a biosolids, always a biosolids (biosolids is a plural noun) Regards, Rufus Chaney Beltsville, MD -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Bob Engel Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:29 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids vs biosolids I have a question that I have not been able to find in the EPA 503? regulations. At least not stated real clearly! Once biosolids are composted at a approved facility and have undergone treatment are the land application guidlines for biosolids still applied? It is my feeling that once composted they are not biosolids anymore but a complete new product bearing no resemblance to the feedstock used to make the compost. Look forward to any answer?and if you can refer to the regulation it would be great. Bob Engel Bob at gotcompost.com??? _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. 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Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From marcher at mjaorganics.com Thu May 22 12:33:26 2008 From: marcher at mjaorganics.com (Mike Archer, MJA Organics) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:33:26 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids In-Reply-To: <48344E66.C803.003A.0@cstx.gov> Message-ID: I suggest that before panic sets in regarding CJD, etc., that we consult the research on this topic. Newspaper articles are NOT nor never have been research. Michael Archer MJA Organics LLC 414.897.6368 marcher at mjaorganics.com www.mjaorganics.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wall Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:32 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [USCC] Compost made with biosolids If this premise is true Wastewater operators and sewer line repair folks aught to be just ate up with CJD. Next, how would propose we dispose of this material safely? >>> "Helane Shields" 5/21/2008 2:34 PM >>> Promoting Class A sewage sludge "biosolids" as an unregulated pathogen free fertilizer is a fraud on the public. The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and waste industry know there is no sewage pathogen reduction method which deactivates human and/or animal prions. To the contrary, research confirms that wastewater treatment reconcentrates the infectious prions in the sewage sludge. Human victims of Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease (CJD) are shedding infectious prions into public sewers, to end up in both Class B sewage sludge and Class A sludge compost. Between 2 and 25% of the over 4.5 million cases of Alzheimer's Disease and senile dementia victims in the US are actually infected with sporadic CJD. (Manuelidis, et al, 1989; Boller, et al, 1989, 1995; Harrison, 1991; Teixeira, 1995; Warren, et al, 2005) creating the reality that many thousands of sCJD victims are shedding infectious prions into public sewers. Prions have been found in the blood and urine of CJD victims. (Gabizon, et al, 2001; Reichl, et al 2002) . Undertakers and medical facilities routinely discharge CJD infected blood and body fluids into public sewers. (Yale; UC Davis, CDC) Prions can cross the intestinal barrier by riding piggyback on ferritin, a protein normally absorbed by the intestine. Because ferritin shares considerable homology across species, these data suggest that PrPSc-associated proteins, in particular ferritin, may facilitate PrPSc uptake in the intestine from distant species, leading to a carrier state in humans. (Singh, et al 2004) " . . . enteric infection at early as well as later stages of (CJD) disease, and regardless of the route of agent entry, implicates potential environmental spread by fecal matter." (Radebold, et al 2001) Class B sewage sludge "biosolids" is expected to be pathogenic. EPA allows land applied sludge "biosolids" to contain fecal coliform up to 2 million CFU/gram. But the EPA and waste industry promote the use of "pathogen-free" Class A sludge "biosolids" compost on playgrounds, ball fields, public parks, and home flower and vegetable gardens . "Pathogen free" is clearly not the case when the Class A sludge compost can contain infectious human and animal prions. Not only are livestock and wildlife at risk from ingesting prion infected soil and sludge, but humans, and particularly children, are especially at risk because their hand to mouth behavior results in the ingestion of dirt (Robischon, 1971; LaGoy, 1987; Binder, et al 1986; Gerba, et al 2002 ; CDC, Callahan, 2004). The EPA guidelines and disclosures on pathogens in Class A sludge "biosolids" compost need to be revisited. And suggesting this toxic/pathogenic Class A waste be totally unregulated is reckless as research piles up documenting the amplification and long survival of infectious human and animal prions in soil. (CWD prions in soil amplified 700 times, Pedersen, Aiken, 2007) Helane Shields, Alton, NH _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org College Station. Heart of the Research Valley. _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From ner at bellsouth.net Wed May 28 10:48:19 2008 From: ner at bellsouth.net (Nancy Roe) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:48:19 -0400 Subject: [USCC] compost and food safety issues Message-ID: <014e01c8c0da$4114b9e0$6502a8c0@nancy> Some of you may know that some vegetable growers have been told by buyers that they would not buy crops grown in fields on which any kind of compost has been used. Obviously, in most cases, it is a matter of educating buyers and the public about what compost really means. At the American Society for Horticultural Sciences Meeting in Orlando, FL this summer, our Waste Utilization in Horticulture Working Group is sponsoring a workshop called: "If I use that on my crop, can I sell it?" It is meant to address some of the concerns that growers and their buyers have about the use of compost and perhaps other organic byproducts, and how we (most ASHS members are University Extension or Research faculty) can work towards overcoming them. We can, of course, talk about the importance of following composting rules, guidelines, and testing-for organic as well as conventionally grown crops. In addition, we are gathering experiences and, if possible, examples of how this resistance to compost use has been or can be overcome. (Maybe the skyrocketing prices of fertilizers will help!) We?re sorry, there is no travel money available to pay speakers for this workshop, but if anyone lives in or will be visiting in the area, we would love to have some additional knowledgeable speakers. It will be from 8-10 AM on Wed. July 23 at the Rosen Plaza Hotel in Orlando. You may contact me at the address below, or Bill Evans wbe at ra.msstate.edu at Mississippi Truck Crops Branch Experiment Station 601-892-3731 x 11 phone; 601-892-2056 fax Nancy Roe Farming Systems Research P.O. Box 741112 Boynton Beach, FL 33474 561-638-2755 ph and FAX ner at bellsouth.net www.veggies4u.com From Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV Wed May 28 08:48:26 2008 From: Rufus.Chaney at ARS.USDA.GOV (Chaney, Rufus) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:48:26 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Composted biosolids vs biosolids under 503 In-Reply-To: <20080514185717.1E8E947BEE1@mx1.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: Dear Composters: At the request of several participants, I contacted EPA officials (Rick Stevens, Bob Bastian, Jim Smith) who manage the biosolids regulatory program to obtain a clear statement on the questions raised about whether a proper biosolids compost was still biosolids. The bottom line: If a biosolids meets the APL requirements, has undergone a Class A pathogen reduction treatment and a vector reduction treatment complying with the rule, it no longer has any of the management or other requirements of the 503 Rule. It is no longer biosolids, but a commercial product derived from biosolids. There are no Federal label requirements for these so called EQ biosolids products. And surely a properly made compost which included APL biosolids as a feedstock would comply with the EQ designation in all regards. Some states have additional requirements that are not part of the Federal 503 Rule, so check with your state rule to be sure what is required at your location. States also provide guidance for use of such products, and enough information should be provided users that they can use fertilizer or soil conditioner rates that are appropriate for use of the product. Rufus Chaney Beltsville, MD From dmhill at aol.com Thu May 29 18:39:43 2008 From: dmhill at aol.com (dmhill@aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:39:43 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Composted biosolids vs biosolids under 503 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CA8FFC67E5EC21-1618-187C@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> Rufus and all, I wonder if some of the confusion may stem from the difference between federal and state regulations coupled with the state's responsibility for oversight and enforcement of both sets of regulations?? A state may be more restrictive than the federal regulations (CFR 40, Part 503) but the state may not be less restrictive than federal regulations. As an example, the Maryland Department of Environment (MDE) states emphatically that any product derived form sludge (MDE does not acknowledge the word "biosolids" nor allow it in documentation) "is sludge and will always be sludge". Furthermore. any product (i.e., topsoil) containing "so much as one molecule of sludge will be regulated by the laws governing the use and management of sludge". Again, the above are Maryland's regulations based on interpretation and further restriction of the 503 regs. Additionally, these laws (statutes) change from state to state and biosolids and/or Class A compost derived from EQ biosolids must also meet the requirements for the state in which it is or will be permitted for distribution. David Hill Bethesda, MD -----Original Message----- From: Chaney, Rufus To: Compost Discussion List Sent: Wed, 28 May 2008 9:48 am Subject: [USCC] Composted biosolids vs biosolids under 503 Dear Composters: At the request of several participants, I contacted EPA officials (Rick Stevens, Bob Bastian, Jim Smith) who manage the biosolids regulatory program to obtain a clear statement on the questions raised about whether a proper biosolids compost was still biosolids. The bottom line: If a biosolids meets the APL requirements, has undergone a Class A pathogen reduction treatment and a vector reduction treatment complying with the rule, it no longer has any of the management or other requirements of the 503 Rule. It is no longer biosolids, but a commercial product derived from biosolids. There are no Federal label requirements for these so called EQ biosolids products. And surely a properly made compost which included APL biosolids as a feedstock would comply with the EQ designation in all regards. Some states have additional requirements that are not part of the Federal 503 Rule, so check with your state rule to be sure what is required at your location. States also provide guidance for use of such products, and enough information should be provided users that they can use fertilizer or soil conditioner rates that are appropriate for use of the product. Rufus Chaney Beltsville, MD _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From CAVM at aol.com Fri May 30 18:54:06 2008 From: CAVM at aol.com (CAVM@aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:54:06 EDT Subject: [USCC] Biosolids Message-ID: In view of the controversy and potential liability involving biosolids we have cut back on the projects we are willing to become involved in with them. We are investigating high intensity anaerobic digestion to extract energy from biosolids as part of the waste water treatment process. But more interesting is the potential to short stop the wastewater treatment process and pull the biosolids from the liquid as soon as possible without re gard to pathogen control or volume reduction. The solids can be dried by surplus heat from a process which uses the biosolids as combustion fuel. No pathogens would be likely to survive 2500F combustion. Odor control, reduced processing costs, disposal reduction and energy production are all worthwhile byproducts. Regards, Neal Van Milligen cavm at aol.com **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)