From craigcoker at cox.net Sun Aug 3 15:26:05 2008 From: craigcoker at cox.net (Craig Coker) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:26:05 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Biofilter In-Reply-To: <97C6E999722DE84EAB948894B712197403D4637D@sky.IEUA.ORG> References: <20080725214337.BD1BBA4F48E@mx1.cloudnet.com><00e801c8f0ea$b383ec40$6400a8c0@LAPTOP> <97C6E999722DE84EAB948894B712197403D4637D@sky.IEUA.ORG> Message-ID: <001201c8f5a7$27bbc5e0$6400a8c0@LAPTOP> Greg: The optimum configuration for a biofilter depends on the nature of the VOCs in the exhaust stream. Some VOCs are more easily metabolized by microorganisms than others. I've seen literature references on biofilters handling VOCs like toluene in the multi-thousand ppm range. I'd suggest an approach to media selection that focuses on: a. A gas residence time of 45 - 60 seconds b. A healthy microbial substrate - high organic matter, adequate moisture, adequate porosity for aerobic conditions Most biofilters at composting facilities are a blend of wood chips and compost, which is not surprising, given they're readily available. You can also use the same plastic "wiffle-ball" or plastic saddle media as used in air emissions scrubbers, which end up being very similar to wastewater trickling filters. There are a number of possibilities. Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss this further. Thanks, Craig -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Barron Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:32 PM To: Compost Discussion List Subject: Re: [USCC] Biofilter Craig, >From your experience what types of media have the best ability to reduce VOC emissions? Greg Barron Compost Facility Supervisor Inland Empire Regional Composting Authority 909-993-1509 office 909-664-7738 mobile gbarron at ieua.org -----Original Message----- From: Craig Coker [mailto:craigcoker at cox.net] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:47 PM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] Biofilter Gary: Biofilters can be used to mitigate any type of air emissions that are amenable to biodegradation. Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) are very treatable with biofilters. VOCs are emitted by paint booths, various industrial sources, wastewater treatment plants and pumping stations, animal waste lagoons, and, of course, composting facilities. I've seen biofilters outfitted into 55-gal drums filled with compost to treat paint fumes from backyard/garage paint shops. There are numerous examples of biofiltration systems in the literature. Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 3331 Glade Creek Blvd., Ste. 7 Roanoke, VA 24012 Tel.: (540) 904-2698 Fax: (540) 904-6732 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: craigcoker at cox.net Web: www.cokercompost.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Gary Bright Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:44 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Biofilter I'm exploring different avenues as to what a bilfilter will do for various treatments. Certainly composting and animals odor problems are great uses but what about a welding shop, paint shop, etc. Does anyone have input on other uses? In order to bring popularity of something that will help the composting industry such as the use of biofilters, it seems only appropriate that if other uses can be implemented it would become cost effective to pursue developing more biofilters for many uses which in turn makes it affordable for all. Gary..Michigan _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ________________________________________________________________________ ____ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From pat at crowleyconsultants.com Mon Aug 4 23:37:39 2008 From: pat at crowleyconsultants.com (Patrick Crowley) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:37:39 -0600 Subject: [USCC] Biofilter In-Reply-To: <001201c8f5a7$27bbc5e0$6400a8c0@LAPTOP> Message-ID: Greg: Craig's advice is quite good, but where you are in Orange County/San Berdoo, MOISTURE is the critical element. In the arid West, any biological process is governed by moisture and temperature, but primarily by moisture. You have the temperature, but you then need to control the moisture daily. If you then have a good compost/chip substrate, things should work well. A soggy biofilter does not work either, just like wet compost. A biofilter used for MSW may need to be recycled on a regular basis because of the excess moisture in the air from the composting process. Balance in all things. Pat Crowley Crowley Consultants LLC 1935 Lucky Strike Road Helena, MT 59602 (406) 458-1935 phone and fax (406) 439-9231 cell pat at crowleyconsultants.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:26 PM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] Biofilter Greg: The optimum configuration for a biofilter depends on the nature of the VOCs in the exhaust stream. Some VOCs are more easily metabolized by microorganisms than others. I've seen literature references on biofilters handling VOCs like toluene in the multi-thousand ppm range. I'd suggest an approach to media selection that focuses on: a. A gas residence time of 45 - 60 seconds b. A healthy microbial substrate - high organic matter, adequate moisture, adequate porosity for aerobic conditions Most biofilters at composting facilities are a blend of wood chips and compost, which is not surprising, given they're readily available. You can also use the same plastic "wiffle-ball" or plastic saddle media as used in air emissions scrubbers, which end up being very similar to wastewater trickling filters. There are a number of possibilities. Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss this further. Thanks, Craig -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Barron Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:32 PM To: Compost Discussion List Subject: Re: [USCC] Biofilter Craig, >From your experience what types of media have the best ability to reduce VOC emissions? Greg Barron Compost Facility Supervisor Inland Empire Regional Composting Authority 909-993-1509 office 909-664-7738 mobile gbarron at ieua.org -----Original Message----- From: Craig Coker [mailto:craigcoker at cox.net] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:47 PM To: 'Compost Discussion List' Subject: Re: [USCC] Biofilter Gary: Biofilters can be used to mitigate any type of air emissions that are amenable to biodegradation. Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) are very treatable with biofilters. VOCs are emitted by paint booths, various industrial sources, wastewater treatment plants and pumping stations, animal waste lagoons, and, of course, composting facilities. I've seen biofilters outfitted into 55-gal drums filled with compost to treat paint fumes from backyard/garage paint shops. There are numerous examples of biofiltration systems in the literature. Craig Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 3331 Glade Creek Blvd., Ste. 7 Roanoke, VA 24012 Tel.: (540) 904-2698 Fax: (540) 904-6732 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: craigcoker at cox.net Web: www.cokercompost.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Gary Bright Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:44 PM To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com Subject: [USCC] Biofilter I'm exploring different avenues as to what a bilfilter will do for various treatments. Certainly composting and animals odor problems are great uses but what about a welding shop, paint shop, etc. Does anyone have input on other uses? In order to bring popularity of something that will help the composting industry such as the use of biofilters, it seems only appropriate that if other uses can be implemented it would become cost effective to pursue developing more biofilters for many uses which in turn makes it affordable for all. Gary..Michigan _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ________________________________________________________________________ ____ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. 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We are looking for a person responsible for all technical aspects of the Growing Media businesses including product formulation oversight; raw material testing, selection and approvals; quality control procedures, and troubleshooting; product and process innovation; technical support to Growing Media plants, marketing and sales; and leadership in governmental and trade association activity for the Growing Media business. Skills and Abilities: Must have the ability to merge scientific and technical skills together with a business acumen; Must know how to get things done; Must have excellent people skills; Requires excellent communication skills (verbal & written); Must be innovative and creative; Must be problem solving oriented; strong sense of goal attainment; Must have excellent analytical skills; PC Skills Qualified candidate would be located on the East coast (Maine to Florida) and would be able to work from a home office. Interested applicants please apply online at www.scotts.com/career to job number 009643. John Wohler The Scotts Company Manager Technical Services 535 W Main Molalla, OR 97038 503-829-2781x27 Phone 503-829-2786 Fax 503-793-6605 Cell From jac at magicsoil.com Tue Aug 5 15:50:50 2008 From: jac at magicsoil.com (John A. Crockett) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:50:50 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Composting is all about sustainability Message-ID: <200808052050.m75KotwI007970@omr3.networksolutionsemail.com> I see the vege plants in my gardens thriving, all the carbon in those plants, carbon that the plants took out of the atmosphere. How much can we fight global warming by amending soil with high quality compost, so the plants can thrive, without petro-chemical fertilizers & pesticides? I see composting as a means to vibrantly healthy plants, nutritious and delicious fresh produce, with NO chemical fertilizers or pesticides. When we're stewards of the soil we don't need those petro-chemicals, chemical fertilizers and pesticides that kill all the life in the soil, the soil food web which nature designed to take care of plants. Then, our Magic Soil compost is made by microbes that have the benefit of our forced aeration systems, so they have plenty of oxygen during the composting process. Last week we did 3 more rate of air flow tests, and the average rate of air flow was 17 times the volume of the compost, in fresh air, every hour, 24/7, to hold CO2 down between 1 - 2%. Those tests were on 10 day old food residuals compost. We know that newer compost requires more aeration. Working Together to Create a Sustainable Environment, John A. Crockett, a.k.a. Dr. Mike Robe Mother Nature's Farms (845) 225-7763 http://www.magicsoil.com/ jac at magicsoil.com ? From ff22 at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 11 16:59:40 2008 From: ff22 at bellsouth.net (Frank Franciosi) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:59:40 -0400 Subject: [USCC] LAST CHANCE TO REGISTER OR NC COMPOST SCHOOL-ONLY 8 SEATS LEFT In-Reply-To: <200808052050.m75KotwI007970@omr3.networksolutionsemail.com> Message-ID: <20080811215925.E6B68BEFE00@mx1.cloudnet.com> There are only 8 seats left for the NC Compost School in Raleigh in September! Offered by the NC State Chapter of the USCC, this 40-hour Advanced Training Course covers all important aspects of commercial compost production, from feedstock acceptance through facility design and construction to compost use; and will include classroom lecture, field exercises, facility tours, and two evenings of social relaxation! The course will run from Monday Sept. 8 through Friday Sept. 12, at North Carolina State University in Raleigh, NC. For more information about the course, please go to www.carolinacompost.com. Also, SWANA has decided to award 15 Continuing Education Units (CEUs) for USCC/SWANA-certified Compost Managers and Technical Associates, and 10 CEUs for those certified by SWANA in different specialties. Hurry, this is a course you are not going to want to miss! If you have any questions, please get in touch with me. Craig Coker Coker Composting & Consulting 3331 Glade Creek Blvd., Ste. 7 Roanoke, VA 24012 Tel.: (540) 904-2698 Fax: (540) 904-6732 Cell: (540) 874-5168 Email: craigcoker at cox.net Web: www.cokercompost.com From James.Short at state.de.us Tue Aug 12 09:12:06 2008 From: James.Short at state.de.us (Short James (DNREC)) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:12:06 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost Standards Message-ID: <7F4C056CA50ABC4A9579D69D9919EBCE01AE1A33@DOVERSCLS02N1.state.de.us> We are interested in compost standards, including metals and organic compound contaminant limits, which have been established by state environmental agencies for commercial composting facilities where the outlets for finished product include the residential as well as the commercial sector. Any assistance with or web links and contact information for these standards would be appreciated. James D. Short Environmental Scientist IV Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch Phone: 302-739-9403 Fax: 302-739-5060 Email : james.short at state.de.us Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus From alexassoc at earthlink.net Mon Aug 11 19:17:56 2008 From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (alexassoc@earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:17:56 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost salts and grass Message-ID: <000501c8fc10$df3751c0$9da5f540$@net> Hello Compost World, Has anyone out there had any experience with using compost to establish turf (soil inc) with a compost possessing a salt content of 5-10 dS/m in arid conditions (less than 10-15" rain)? Did you experience any seed establishment problems? Were you able to dissipate the salts? Thanks, Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, NC 27502 USA 919-367-8350 919-367-8351 fax alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net From alexassoc at earthlink.net Wed Aug 13 04:39:34 2008 From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (Ron Alexander) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:39:34 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Compost Standards In-Reply-To: <7F4C056CA50ABC4A9579D69D9919EBCE01AE1A33@DOVERSCLS02N1.state.de.us> References: <7F4C056CA50ABC4A9579D69D9919EBCE01AE1A33@DOVERSCLS02N1.state.de.us> Message-ID: <002401c8fd28$7f38b0c0$7daa1240$@net> James, The most popular contaminant standards used for compost from state-to-state in the USA are the 503 pollutant concentrations (Table 3). Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, North Carolina 27502 - USA 919-367-8350 - office telephone 919-367-8351 - fax 919-349-0460 - mobile telephone alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Short James (DNREC) Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:12 AM To: Compost Discussion List Cc: Underwood Robert (DNREC); Nielsen Debra D. (DNREC) Subject: [USCC] Compost Standards We are interested in compost standards, including metals and organic compound contaminant limits, which have been established by state environmental agencies for commercial composting facilities where the outlets for finished product include the residential as well as the commercial sector. Any assistance with or web links and contact information for these standards would be appreciated. James D. Short Environmental Scientist IV Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch Phone: 302-739-9403 Fax: 302-739-5060 Email : james.short at state.de.us Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1608 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 4:59 PM From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us Wed Aug 13 07:37:45 2008 From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:37:45 -0500 Subject: [USCC] Compost Standards In-Reply-To: <7F4C056CA50ABC4A9579D69D9919EBCE01AE1A33@DOVERSCLS02N1.state.de.us> References: <7F4C056CA50ABC4A9579D69D9919EBCE01AE1A33@DOVERSCLS02N1.state.de.us> Message-ID: <48A28F49.FFDC.0044.0@tceq.state.tx.us> James, Texas end-product compost standards apply only to facilities composting mixed waste (permitted facilities) or sewage sludge (registered facilities) and similar materials. The standards for permitted facilities are at http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=30&pt=1&ch=332&rl=71 Compost from registered facilities must comply with the state rules for sewage sludge use, treatment and disposal -- see http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.ViewTAC?tac_view=4&ti=30&pt=1&ch=312 Bill Carter Water Quality Monitoring & Assessment MC 165 Texas Commission on Environmental Quality P.O. Box 13087 Austin, TX 78711-3087 Phone: 512-239-6771 Fax: 512-239-4410 wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us >>> "Short James (DNREC)" 8/12/2008 9:12 AM >>> We are interested in compost standards, including metals and organic compound contaminant limits, which have been established by state environmental agencies for commercial composting facilities where the outlets for finished product include the residential as well as the commercial sector. Any assistance with or web links and contact information for these standards would be appreciated. James D. Short Environmental Scientist IV Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch Phone: 302-739-9403 Fax: 302-739-5060 Email : james.short at state.de.us Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From SGlass at abcwua.org Tue Aug 12 21:14:00 2008 From: SGlass at abcwua.org (Glass, Steve J.) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:14:00 -0600 Subject: [USCC] Compost salts and grass Message-ID: <0b4601c8fcea$3ea99da9$176b788f@coa.cabq.lcl> Hi, Ron - It's been a while! We've done new grass in parks, golf courses and highways with our biosolids compost (>10 mmho/cm in saturated paste) for years. Call Greg Baker at (505) 827-2780 or Joe Bailey at (505) 205-5721 for details. Steve Glass Albuquerque (505) 873-6955 -----Original Message----- From: "alexassoc at earthlink.net" To: "compostlist" Sent: 8/12/2008 7:12 PM Subject: [USCC] Compost salts and grass Hello Compost World, Has anyone out there had any experience with using compost to establish turf (soil inc) with a compost possessing a salt content of 5-10 dS/m in arid conditions (less than 10-15" rain)? Did you experience any seed establishment problems? Were you able to dissipate the salts? Thanks, Ron Ron Alexander R. Alexander Associates, Inc. 1212 Eastham Drive Apex, NC 27502 USA 919-367-8350 919-367-8351 fax alexassoc at earthlink.net www.alexassoc.net _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ______________________________________________________________________________ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org From wfbr17 at woodsend.org Wed Aug 13 13:38:42 2008 From: wfbr17 at woodsend.org (Will Brinton) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:38:42 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Salt tests in compost In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A32A32.3070400@woodsend.org> Which test was performed? If the salt test you refer to is the TMECC test (1:5) dilution it is equivalent to a standard saturated paste soil salinity of about 20-40 mmhos/cm, which is quite high. Otherwise, 5-10 by the soil method is not as serious. W Brinton Woods End Labs > Today's Topics: > > 1. Compost Standards (Short James (DNREC)) > 2. Compost salts and grass (alexassoc at earthlink.net) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Has anyone out there had any experience with using compost to > establish turf > (soil inc) with a compost possessing a salt content of 5-10 dS/m in arid > conditions (less than 10-15" rain)? > > Did you experience any seed establishment problems? Were you able to > dissipate the salts? > > Thanks, > Ron > > > > Ron Alexander > R. Alexander Associates, Inc. > 1212 Eastham Drive > Apex, NC 27502 > USA > 919-367-8350 > 919-367-8351 fax > alexassoc at earthlink.net > www.alexassoc.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________ > Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show > January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. > The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. > Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > _______________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org -- William F Brinton Jr., Ph.D. Woods End Laboratories 207 293 2457 ext. 17 From wfbr17 at woodsend.org Fri Aug 15 10:29:35 2008 From: wfbr17 at woodsend.org (Will Brinton) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:29:35 -0400 Subject: [USCC] Subject: Compost Standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A5A0DF.5050003@woodsend.org> James: For a broader perspective I'd urge you to also look at international standards. We reported on these for NYSAR (available at www.woodsend.org/pdf-files/nysar-ne.pdf), though that report now needs updating, and in a WRAP project comparing 13 countries for compost standards (see wrap.org.uk) and if is hard to find let me know. Most developed countries now have separate rules and quality guidelines for Green composts (i.e. clean green waste) distinct from sludge regulation. The USEPA rule was of course specifically developed for sludges and should not be extrapolated to non sludge composts without some caution- although it is a useful high water mark. One difficulty we encounter is it provides poor structure for interpreting waste contamination where you want to improve the materials, and poor guidance in meaningful application rates for non sludges. Sludge and sludge compost application rate are frequently rate limited not by metals but by N and P content, which is implicit in the structure of the EPA rule. In the case of normal composts, this is rarely the case, -- a N-P limit on application might allow you to go to 200 ton/acres, and growing media uses at 30% of container volume are roguhly equivalent to 800 tons/acre. None of this was anticipated in the EPA Rule. Unfortunately, States in their wisdom when extrapolating the sludge based EPA rule to all other composts (understandably to save effort and debate in trying to develop new standards), left out a great deal of useful structure in EPA 503 rule, including what I mentioned about calculating N-P nutrient-management based application rates, plus the concept of PFRP ( a few states use it) and especially cumulative soil loading, absent in most state protocols. A Yale intern here did a survey with us and found only 22 states have any clear compost standards at all, and those that adapted the 503 rule but left out essential and critical information contained within it, making it it - if you will- really an empty shell. Several states in Europe have 2 / 3 level quality implied in compost rules, and this has been worked on by industry and growers over many years. I'd urge you particularly to look at those. The Swiss anticipated that the highest and best use of compost might be horticulture and intensive gardening, and made a useful set of protocols to assure it meets reasonable minimum standards there, while permitting field rates and other applications with higher limits associated. W Brinton > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:12 AM > To: Compost Discussion List > Cc: Underwood Robert (DNREC); Nielsen Debra D. (DNREC) > Subject: [USCC] Compost Standards > > We are interested in compost standards, including metals and organic > compound contaminant limits, which have been established by state > environmental agencies for commercial composting facilities where the > outlets for finished product include the residential as well as the > commercial sector. Any assistance with or web links and contact > information for these standards would be appreciated. > > > > James D. Short > > Environmental Scientist IV > > Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch > > Phone: 302-739-9403 > > Fax: 302-739-5060 > > Email : james.short at state.de.us > > > > Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus > > > > _______________________________________ > Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show > January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. > The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of > the composting and organics recycling industry. > Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and > Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: > www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > ____________________________________________________________________________ > __ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or > the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website > at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their > posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information > regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a > message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1608 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 > 4:59 PM > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [USCC] Compost Standards > From: > "William (Bill) Carter" > Date: > Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:37:45 -0500 > To: > "Compost Discussion List" > > To: > "Compost Discussion List" > > > James, > > Texas end-product compost standards apply only to facilities composting mixed waste (permitted facilities) or sewage sludge (registered facilities) and similar materials. The standards for permitted facilities are at http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=30&pt=1&ch=332&rl=71 > Compost from registered facilities must comply with the state rules for sewage sludge use, treatment and disposal -- see http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.ViewTAC?tac_view=4&ti=30&pt=1&ch=312 > > > > Bill Carter > Water Quality Monitoring & Assessment MC 165 > Texas Commission on Environmental Quality > P.O. Box 13087 > Austin, TX 78711-3087 > Phone: 512-239-6771 > Fax: 512-239-4410 > wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us > > >>>> "Short James (DNREC)" 8/12/2008 9:12 AM >>> >>>> > We are interested in compost standards, including metals and organic > compound contaminant limits, which have been established by state > environmental agencies for commercial composting facilities where the > outlets for finished product include the residential as well as the > commercial sector. Any assistance with or web links and contact > information for these standards would be appreciated. > > > > James D. Short > > Environmental Scientist IV > > Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch > > Phone: 302-739-9403 > > Fax: 302-739-5060 > > Email : james.short at state.de.us > > > > Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus > > > > _______________________________________ > Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show > January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. > The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. > Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [USCC] Compost salts and grass > From: > "Glass, Steve J." > Date: > Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:14:00 -0600 > To: > "Compost Discussion List" > > To: > "Compost Discussion List" > > > Hi, Ron - > > It's been a while! > > We've done new grass in parks, golf courses and highways with our biosolids compost (>10 mmho/cm in saturated paste) for years. Call Greg Baker at (505) 827-2780 or Joe Bailey at (505) 205-5721 for details. > > Steve Glass > Albuquerque > (505) 873-6955 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "alexassoc at earthlink.net" > To: "compostlist" > Sent: 8/12/2008 7:12 PM > Subject: [USCC] Compost salts and grass > > Hello Compost World, > > Has anyone out there had any experience with using compost to establish turf > (soil inc) with a compost possessing a salt content of 5-10 dS/m in arid > conditions (less than 10-15" rain)? > > Did you experience any seed establishment problems? Were you able to > dissipate the salts? > > Thanks, > Ron > > > > Ron Alexander > R. Alexander Associates, Inc. > 1212 Eastham Drive > Apex, NC 27502 > USA > 919-367-8350 > 919-367-8351 fax > alexassoc at earthlink.net > www.alexassoc.net > > > _______________________________________ > Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show > January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. > The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. > Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [USCC] Salt tests in compost > From: > Will Brinton > Date: > Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:38:42 -0400 > To: > compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > > To: > compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > > > Which test was performed? If the salt test you refer to is the TMECC > test (1:5) dilution it is equivalent to a standard saturated paste > soil salinity of about 20-40 mmhos/cm, which is quite high. Otherwise, > 5-10 by the soil method is not as serious. > > W Brinton > Woods End Labs >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Compost Standards (Short James (DNREC)) >> 2. Compost salts and grass (alexassoc at earthlink.net) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Has anyone out there had any experience with using compost to >> establish turf >> (soil inc) with a compost possessing a salt content of 5-10 dS/m in arid >> conditions (less than 10-15" rain)? >> Did you experience any seed establishment problems? Were you able to >> dissipate the salts? >> >> Thanks, >> Ron >> >> >> >> Ron Alexander >> R. Alexander Associates, Inc. >> 1212 Eastham Drive >> Apex, NC 27502 >> USA >> 919-367-8350 >> 919-367-8351 fax >> alexassoc at earthlink.net >> www.alexassoc.net >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________ >> Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade >> Show >> January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. >> The National forum for those involved in the development and >> expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. >> Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and >> Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: >> www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 >> _______________________________________ >> Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com >> http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost >> _______________________________________ >> This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). >> (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights >> reserved >> >> Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the >> Foundation, or the Board of Directors. >> >> Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its >> website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm >> >> Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have >> their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and >> information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other >> options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost >> >> For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, >> send a message to the List Manager at >> compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________ > Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show > January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. > The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. > Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 > _______________________________________ > Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com > http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > _______________________________________ > This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). > (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved > > Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. > > Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm > > Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost > > For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org -- William F Brinton Jr., Ph.D. Woods End Laboratories 207 293 2457 ext. 17 From PMCNELLY at OCSD.COM Mon Aug 18 11:30:08 2008 From: PMCNELLY at OCSD.COM (McNelly, Patrick) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:30:08 -0700 Subject: [USCC] Officials want composting firms to reduce emissions Message-ID: <3A2178E34F4530418629446998208B408BC1654D@e07ms1.insideocsd.com> * Officials want composting firms to reduce emissions Local composting firms say proposed policy will make them lose money BY GERALD CARROLL * gcarroll at visalia.gannett.com * August 13, 2008 Composting, a time-honored method for recycling solid waste, has come under fire from the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District. District officials say composting - from gardeners' backyard mounds to large-scale green-waste processing - contributes to Valley air pollution. Up to 2 percent of all volatile organic compounds, or VOCs, emitted into the atmosphere come from the practice, said Rick McVaigh, deputy air pollution control officer for the district's Fresno headquarters. "We want to reduce those emissions 15 percent," he told the Visalia City Council last week. McVaigh was challenged, however, by commercial composting firms and College of the Sequoias President and Superintendent Bill Scroggins. Scroggins, who has a biochemistry background, said natural sources are responsible for 50 percent of all VOC emissions and that anti-composting efforts would be of little value. They would have an effect, however, officials said. "We would go out of business," said John Jones, operations manager for Tulare County Compost and Biomass. A proposed district policy would require all companies processing at least 50,000 tons of compost annually to install expensive devices to "digest" compost and seal off any emissions. Jones, who likened a digester to "a giant crock pot," said a modest-sized device costs $2 million or more. "We can't afford it," he said. The district plans to put the policy into effect in 2009, after more public hearings and research. Jones said the district should consider doubling the compost threshold, to 100,000 tons. That would spare his company the expense of such an elaborate procedure, he said. Jones' main customers are farmers who use processed compost as an alternative to caustic chemical fertilizers, which dissolve during winter rains and spill into Tulare County waterways. The cities of Visalia and Tulare also have contractual arrangements with Jones' company to collect and remove all green waste. "This [arrangement] benefits everyone," Jones said. City Councilman Greg Collins sees other conflicts between the district's plan and safe-environment procedures long practiced by Visalia. "Environmental objectives are colliding," Collins said. "Composting reduces solid waste going into landfills and reduces water consumption. There has to be some give and take here." In your voice Read reactions to this story [cid:image001.gif at 01C90107.63353500] SnitchMO wrote: Replying to scifigal: Studies have shown that piling old compost on top of new compost reduces VOCs by 75%. That reduces the total VOCs to 0.5%. It's easy and cheap. Why didn't the air district suggest this? Too simple? The problem with this? You have to use industrial equipment to pile the old compost onto the new compost. Having new compost cooking under the older compost increases the risk of it igniting (which occurred this last weekend in Goshen, I believe.) That means all the diesel-burning equipment that the compost companies are using currently must burn even MORE diesel, and cause even MORE carbon pollution that the SJVAPCD is monitoring of these companies. Also, keep in mind, they are claiming this is 2% of VOC pollution, and they want to waste resources to lower that by 15%? That means a decrease of .03%? Exactly how does the board rationalize this stupidity? Can you say, "Much ado about nothing?" Another point to consider: Composting facilities sprang up to fill a much-needed niche in this state: the State of California demanded diversion of all green waste from ladfills, giving them a timeframe and threatening counties wih stiff fines and penaltis if they did not meet those numbers. If such idiotic constraints are placed on the composting facilities and it forces their closure (afterall, they ARE a private business; if it doesn't make money, why run?) then all that green waste goes back to the landfills, which in TURN causes the State to fine the County for not meeting their diversion numbers. Lastly, the reporter should have done a better job explaining exactly what VOC is. Methane, for example, is a VOC. Their proposal in this regards would be akin to the SJVAPCD attempting to control methane by demanding Taco Bell not sell Burritos on Fridays! In both regards, it's just plain STUPID!!! 8/13/2008 3:10:06 PM Recommend New post Reply to this Post Report Abuse uzitorlozeit wrote: Replying to scifigal: Studies have shown that piling old compost on top of new compost reduces VOCs by 75%. That reduces the total VOCs to 0.5%. It's easy and cheap. Why didn't the air district suggest this? Too simple? Oh my, you're suggesting an easy, practical, sound, and efficient solution to this problem? Gee, how dare you give them a logical solution!! Logic doesn't show up anywhere in their publication 2003-99-1234-13541-9(b)-35DFB6575-3-(a)B-4 (2008 Edition) that they must use as a guideline. There MUST be more money spent than that: it don't work unless it HURTS the pocketbook! Seriously, the SJVAPCD probably has a guideline of what it is that can and what cannot be used to mitigate the VOC's. That is probably more of the problem here that the issue. If the large scale composting businesses were allowed to experiment with different optons for a few years and through monitoring they find one that economically did a relatively good job of controlling the VOC's, THAT should be the practice here. Mandating multi-million-dollar appurtenances for this kind of operation is fiscally rediculous. Personally, I think the truth here is that we live in a valley with rich biological diversity: both what is grown for food and what has lived here untouched for millenea. When something is alive dies it will decomose and give off gases. A compost heap is concentrated dead plant material. I think another commentor touched on this idea as well: wouldn't this stuff rot no matter where it is? If in a "concentrate", it would definitely emit more gas in one spot than spread over acreage, but the sum would be similar, if not the same, right? SJVAPCD, get back to the business you where originally designed for, and keep delapidated smoggers off our roads, get scrubbers on the diesel engines, keep the roads and lots from getting too dusty, and keep the smokestacks out of the valley. This cotrol over a natually occurring substance is REDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8/13/2008 1:19:09 PM Recommend New post Reply to this Post Report Abuse scifigal wrote: Studies have shown that piling old compost on top of new compost reduces VOCs by 75%. That reduces the total VOCs to 0.5%. It's easy and cheap. Why didn't the air district suggest this? Too simple? 8/13/2008 12:08:59 PM Recommend New post Reply to this Post Report Abuse skepticity wrote: Rick McVaigh. Has he ever held a real job, or has he been a lifelong bureacrat feeding at the public trough ? Does he want unemployment at 100% in the Valley ? 8/13/2008 10:36:10 AM Recommend New post Reply to this Post Report Abuse jimbo76 wrote: Replying to Sandqueen66: I guess this could be one positive side to our state being in such a financial mess, less money going to these idiotic agencies to police their retarded policies!!! I am starting to think the main goal of both is to put the screws to the farming and dairy industry enough that they will finally leave the state of California altogether. exactly..then what will be left in Tulare co etc for an economy...not much? [cid:image002.jpg at 01C90107.63353500] A Scarab composting machine works at Tulare County Compost and Biomass. They have 35 acres which will process about 70,000 tons of compost material by the end of 2008, 24478 Road 140 (Lovers Lane) in Tulare. (JOHANNA COYNE) [cid:image003.jpg at 01C90107.63353500] Operations manager John Jones holds compost at Tulare County Compost and Biomass. (JOHANNA COYNE) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:29 PM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10629 bytes Desc: image003.jpg Url : http://mailman.cloudnet.com/pipermail/compost/attachments/20080818/eb71beba/image003-0001.jpg From matt at mattcotton.com Wed Aug 20 13:33:56 2008 From: matt at mattcotton.com (Matthew Cotton) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:33:56 -0700 Subject: [USCC] Best opening line in a composting story ever Message-ID: <9215D732-4BC5-4FDD-85D5-A23ED9A7B28D@mattcotton.com> My nomination for best opening line in a "How to Compost" piece: "Composting is a lot like sex. It's a healthy, natural process involving fertility, tumbling around, and -- when it's going right -- steaminess. On top of that, some people call it dirty." See the whole story here: http://www.grist.org/advice/how/2008/08/19/?source=most_popular Matthew Cotton Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC 19375 Lake City Road Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 265-4560 Fax (530) 265-4547 matt at mattcotton.com www.mattcotton.com From pat at crowleyconsultants.com Sat Aug 23 23:31:58 2008 From: pat at crowleyconsultants.com (Patrick Crowley) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:31:58 -0600 Subject: [USCC] Best opening line in a composting story ever In-Reply-To: <9215D732-4BC5-4FDD-85D5-A23ED9A7B28D@mattcotton.com> Message-ID: The opening line is GREAT! Unfortunately the article leads you down the road to the area of composting that is very questionable, composting toilets. Composting toilets do not meet the pathogen and vector reduction requirements of the 503 regulations, and are therefore no different from septage. The material from these "composting toilets" should not be spread around any gardens or public contact areas, like where your kids play in the yard. "Night soil" is nothing but fecal material. It has been applied to the rice paddies of Asia for centuries, with the predictable results of disease transmission. Composting toilets and humanure are no different. One must actually sterilize the pathogens and reduce the vector attraction, and then apply. There are no shortcuts, and no easy home processes. Pat Crowley Crowley Consultants LLC 1935 Lucky Strike Road Helena, MT 59602 (406) 458-1935 phone and fax (406) 439-9231 cell pat at crowleyconsultants.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Cotton Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:34 PM To: US Composting Council Compost Discussion List Subject: [USCC] Best opening line in a composting story ever My nomination for best opening line in a "How to Compost" piece: "Composting is a lot like sex. It's a healthy, natural process involving fertility, tumbling around, and -- when it's going right -- steaminess. On top of that, some people call it dirty." See the whole story here: http://www.grist.org/advice/how/2008/08/19/?source=most_popular Matthew Cotton Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC 19375 Lake City Road Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 265-4560 Fax (530) 265-4547 matt at mattcotton.com www.mattcotton.com _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. 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For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1623 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 8:12 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1629 - Release Date: 8/23/2008 1:16 PM From johncossham at tiscali.co.uk Thu Aug 28 13:35:01 2008 From: johncossham at tiscali.co.uk (John Cossham) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:35:01 +0100 Subject: [USCC] Best opening line in a composting story ever References: Message-ID: <005e01c9093c$c8a39020$0200a8c0@johnslaptop> I strongly disagree with the suggestion that compost toilets are 'very questionable'. My composting toilet is a commode which accepts sawdust, humanure and another layer of sawdust which is then tipped into a brewing bucket. When this is full (about once a week or so) this is carefully tipped into the centre of a hot heap of fruit/veg/garden shreddings/cardboard/pigeon poo/roadkill where my thermometer says it gets up to 70 degrees celcius for many days at a time. Therefore, by anyone's reckoning, this material is 'sanitised' and the vast majotity of 'pathogens' are destroyed. I turn it and then let the material sit, cold, for up to 4 years..., riddle it, and then I grow tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, beans etc in it. I've been eating these for several years now with no ill-effects. Spent container media is put under hedges and on the ground under permanent plantings such as fruit trees, raspberries etc. There is nothing more satisfying than doing this, closing the loop, not wasting drinking water with un-neccessary flushing, not sending valuable nutrients to water treatment works which waste energy with all that bubbling and spraying... I agree that the practice of putting uncomposted night soil on fields is not sensible. But properly composted manures of any description (apart from those with medicines excreted into them) are fine for growing food in. My inspiration was and still is the wonderful 'Humanure Handbook' by your lovely compatriot, Joe Jenkins. This is an excellent read (go and buy it!) or if you are not wanting to reward Joe financially, you can download it off the web! John Cossham, York, UK johncossham at tiscali.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Crowley" To: "'Compost Discussion List'" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [USCC] Best opening line in a composting story ever The opening line is GREAT! Unfortunately the article leads you down the road to the area of composting that is very questionable, composting toilets. Composting toilets do not meet the pathogen and vector reduction requirements of the 503 regulations, and are therefore no different from septage. The material from these "composting toilets" should not be spread around any gardens or public contact areas, like where your kids play in the yard. "Night soil" is nothing but fecal material. It has been applied to the rice paddies of Asia for centuries, with the predictable results of disease transmission. Composting toilets and humanure are no different. One must actually sterilize the pathogens and reduce the vector attraction, and then apply. There are no shortcuts, and no easy home processes. Pat Crowley Crowley Consultants LLC 1935 Lucky Strike Road Helena, MT 59602 (406) 458-1935 phone and fax (406) 439-9231 cell pat at crowleyconsultants.com -----Original Message----- From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Cotton Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:34 PM To: US Composting Council Compost Discussion List Subject: [USCC] Best opening line in a composting story ever My nomination for best opening line in a "How to Compost" piece: "Composting is a lot like sex. It's a healthy, natural process involving fertility, tumbling around, and -- when it's going right -- steaminess. On top of that, some people call it dirty." See the whole story here: http://www.grist.org/advice/how/2008/08/19/?source=most_popular Matthew Cotton Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC 19375 Lake City Road Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 265-4560 Fax (530) 265-4547 matt at mattcotton.com www.mattcotton.com _______________________________________ Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX. The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry. Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Compost maillist - compost at mailman.cloudnet.com http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost _______________________________________ This list is a service provided by the US Composting Council (USCC). (c) Copyright 2004 United States Composting Council - All rights reserved Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the USCC, the Foundation, or the Board of Directors. Non-members of USCC are encouraged to join the Council through its website at: http://www.compostingcouncil.org/membership.cfm Members posting CC copies to the list and other addresses may have their posting privileges suspended. For discussion list policies and information regarding subscribing, unsubscribing, digest or other options, go to: http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/compost For additional help in unsubcribing or to report bugs and problems, send a message to the List Manager at compostlistmanager at compostingcouncil.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1623 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 8:12 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1629 - Release Date: 8/23/2008 1:16 PM