From edtamias at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 09:03:25 2008
From: edtamias at yahoo.com (Kevin Donnelly)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [USCC] Compost starter?
Message-ID: <519066.6189.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know what would make a good compost starter?  I process pine bark for horticulture and we want to speed up the aging/composting process a bit.  We have used urea before but it works too quickly and  not uniformly.  There are some I have seen that seem to have unnecessary filler that won't have the effect I need.  I would be adding this in solution as the pine is processed.
   
  Thanks
  Kevin

From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us  Tue Apr  1 09:03:43 2008
From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:03:43 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Compost and tree planting
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Organic landscape specialists in Texas often use a backfill mix of 25-50% mature compost with the native soil. They also oversize and chop/fracture/loosen the planting hole to help prevent the root barrier effect. There may be some plants that do best starting in unamended native soils.
 
 
 
Bill Carter
Water Quality Monitoring & Assessment    MC 165
Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
P.O. Box 13087
Austin, TX  78711-3087
Phone:  512-239-6771
Fax:  512-239-4410
wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us

>>> frank <frank at compostlab.com> 3/28/2008 12:58 PM >>>

Hi Michele,

Putting compost in a backfill hole is a high risk use - but I would 
still do it. To do it the mix of compost with native soil must be 
perfect because there is no exit plan for the plant. No place for the 
roots to go in time if the salts are too high (too much nutrients). 
There is no chance to leach or make changes when you see symptoms. I 
suggest digging the hole and mix in compost to the receiving soil until 
the EC meter give the appropriate reading. Can be done on site. Then 
back fill the hole with plant in it. This will give the plant a good 
start and once the nutrients are used up the healthy roots will look for 
more in other places.


Frank




Young, Michele wrote:

>Greetings to all,
>
>In doing a presentation to our local urban forestry group, I was told that
>they never recommend putting compost into the backfill hole when planting a
>tree. This is because they feel that roots will not search outside of the
>root ball area if there is "food" placed there.  I talked to them about
>trenching and augering as a way of putting food into other zones, but they
>were steadfast about no compost in the planting hole.
>
>All of the planting guides that I have seen and used from the soil
>perspective show a compost soil-blend at planting.  I would love to hear
>from professionals out there about their experiences, and advice.  Please
>check with your urban forestry folks to see if no compost is a common
>recommendation, or just a local practice here in San Jose.
>
>Conflicted in San Jose
>
>Turn Over an Old Leaf - Compost!
> 
>Michele Young  
>City of San Jose
>Environmental Services Department
>200 E. Santa Clara St.   Tower 10
>San Jose,  CA  95113
>Phone: (408) 975-2519
>FAX: (408) 292-6212 
>
>_______________________________________
>Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show
>January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX.
>The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry.
>Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 
>______________________________________________________________________________
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(831) 724-3188 fax
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From wfbr17 at woodsend.org  Tue Apr  1 19:32:16 2008
From: wfbr17 at woodsend.org (Will Brinton)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:32:16 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Compost Maturity Index, EPA Posting
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Hello Compost World:

Thanks to discussions on this listserve, the US EPA has recently posted, the
former CCQC report "Compost Maturity Index", a result of the subcommittee
on testing methods, and Dr. Buchanan's follow-on study for CIWMB, 
regarding field crop
yield response to compost based on the maturity index system.

The reports are available under the EPA compost web page - 
www.epa.gov/compost
and specifically at:  www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw/composting/pubs.htm

I believe it is time to considering updating the MI by tightening some 
of the nutrient/biological
indicators. If anyone is interested in this, please post a message to 
this listserve.

Thank you.

W Brinton, Ph.D.
Rocky Mountain Compost School, CO
and
Woods End Laboratories




From craigcoker at cox.net  Wed Apr  2 06:59:01 2008
From: craigcoker at cox.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:59:01 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Compost starter?
In-Reply-To: <519066.6189.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Kevin:

I'd recommend stable, fresh (i.e. not long-aged) compost from a good quality
source (like a USCC STA member).  It adds beneficial microorganisms, adds
some food and energy to support the composting process, and doesn't add a
huge amount of volumetric bulk to the mixing process.  I normally recommend
all composting facilities recycle 3-5% by volume of fresh, screened compost
back to the front of the process as an inoculant.

Regards,
Craig

Craig Coker
Coker Composting & Consulting
3331 Glade Creek Blvd., Ste. 7
Roanoke, VA 24012
Tel.: (540) 904-2698
Fax: (540) 904-6732
Cell: (540) 874-5168
Email: craigcoker at cox.net
Web: www.cokercompost.com
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Donnelly
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:03 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: [USCC] Compost starter?

Does anyone know what would make a good compost starter?  I process pine
bark for horticulture and we want to speed up the aging/composting process a
bit.  We have used urea before but it works too quickly and  not uniformly.
There are some I have seen that seem to have unnecessary filler that won't
have the effect I need.  I would be adding this in solution as the pine is
processed.
   
  Thanks
  Kevin
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From dmhill at aol.com  Wed Apr  2 09:35:54 2008
From: dmhill at aol.com (dmhill@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:35:54 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Compost and tree planting
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Michelle,
I have forwarded your question to the American Nursery and Landscape Association and will post their response as soon as I receive it.

I am a little amazed that, without regard to whether the tree is B&B, bare root or container grown, the urban forestry group categorically does not amend the back fill. As a degreed horticulturist with greater than thirty years of field experience, I have always set the base of a root ball or containerized plant on undisturbed soil in the hole and created a transition zone in the backfill mix, going from the medium in which the tree was gown to the surrounding soil. Soil physics and hydrology do not allow water to pass easily between drastically different soil types. Container grown trees are grown in a very friable, porous medium (often soil less). If this tree gets planted in a hole with no transitional material, very often water collects in the planting pit and does not easily drain to the surrounding soil (called the bath tub effect). Conversely, containerized growing media tends to dry faster than a native soil. When this happens, water does not easily or quickly pass fr
 om a (denser) native soil to a very porous planting mix, so the tree may become dessicated while the surrounding soil has adequate moisture to supply the tree.

The same is true for B&B trees. Field grown trees often have a higher percentage of clay in order for the root balls to maintain integrity. It is extremely rare that the nursery soil and the urban soil will be of the same soil type and/or density, so the physical transition of water is often impeded.

In any case, by improving the water holding capacity, porosity, and supplying nutrient and humates while increasing the populations of beneficial microbes at the root zone, the tree has a better opportunity to flourish earlier after its planting.

With regard to the roots never wanting to leave the nutrient rich planting pit, I have seen this quite often however, it is most often a function of rot-proof (nylon) burlap that was never removed, thus strangling the roots as they mature or containerized plants improperly planted by not cutting circling roots (that become girdling roots) from the container when planted.

Hope this helps. I will post the ANLA response.

David Hill
CycleLogic
(301) 493-5180



-----Original Message-----
From: Young, Michele <Michele.Young at sanjoseca.gov>
To: 'Compost Discussion List' <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 4:06 pm
Subject: [USCC] Compost and tree planting










Greetings to all,

In doing a presentation to our local urban forestry group, I was told that
they never recommend putting compost into the backfill hole when planting a
tree. This is because they feel that roots will not search outside of the
root ball area if there is "food" placed there.  I talked to them about
trenching and augering as a way of putting food into other zones, but they
were steadfast about no compost in the planting hole.

All of the planting guides that I have seen and used from the soil
perspective show a compost soil-blend at planting.  I would love to hear
from professionals out there about their experiences, and advice.  Please
check with your urban forestry folks to see if no compost is a common
recommendation, or just a local practice here in San Jose.

Conflicted in San Jose

Turn Over an Old Leaf - Compost!
 
Michele Young  
City of San Jose
Environmental Services Department
200 E. Santa Clara St.   Tower 10
San Jose,  CA  95113
Phone: (408) 975-2519
FAX: (408) 292-6212 

_______________________________________
Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show
January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX.
The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the 
composting and organics recycling industry.
Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship 
Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call 
the USCC at 631.737.4931 
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From ljsikora at fairpoint.net  Wed Apr  2 06:59:09 2008
From: ljsikora at fairpoint.net (LARRY SIKORA)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:59:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [USCC] Compost starter?
In-Reply-To: <519066.6189.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <519066.6189.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1581.66.243.206.155.1207137549.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net>


Kevin:
  I am not a proponent of compost starters. I emphasize good management
of the process to obtain the best compost product in the least amount
of time. But if you chose to use a nitrogen fertilizer as a 'starter',
urea is the wrong fertilizer. Urease, the enzyme that breaks down urea
into ammonia rapidly is ubiquitous and highly reactive. Most of the
nitrogen ends up in the atmosphere. For this reason, farmers who use
urea knife into the soil so that the ammonia that is formed is trapped
on the soil's cation exchange complex. I would use ammonium nitrate and
nitrogen source instead of urea.

With regards,

Larry

Lawrence J. Sikora, PhD
Compost Utilization & Systems
PO Box 6076
China Village, ME 04926
ljsikora at fairpoint.net
207-968-2268
207-692-7229 (cell)
> Does anyone know what would make a good compost starter?  I process pine
> bark for horticulture and we want to speed up the aging/composting
> process a bit.  We have used urea before but it works too quickly and
> not uniformly.  There are some I have seen that seem to have unnecessary
> filler that won't have the effect I need.  I would be adding this in
> solution as the pine is processed.
>
>   Thanks
>   Kevin
> _______________________________________
> Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade
> Show
> January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX.
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> the composting and organics recycling industry.
> Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and
> Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website:
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From jac at magicsoil.com  Wed Apr  2 11:17:07 2008
From: jac at magicsoil.com (John A. Crockett)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:17:07 -0500
Subject: [USCC] compost starters
Message-ID: <0JYP00JB5GZAGXC0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

Why use a compost starter?   I just monitored the rate of air flow on some
compost that I did the pre-processing on last Saturday morning, food
residuals and paper, co-shredded to about 1/8".   

As of 11:40 this morning, the CO2  in the off-gas is 2%, and the rate of air
flow is 38.4 times the volume of the compost, in fresh air every hour.  The
temperature 18" from the point of air entry is 160.4?F, 144.2? 6" in from
the point of air entry.  Ambient temperature in our compost research silo
lab is 60?.  The compost was turned at 7:30 this morning.  The CO2  went up
to 5% so we increased the rate of air flow.  This compost is on 'negative
pressure' aeration, with the vacuum being 0.176"wc. 

While we haven't assayed the population of active bacteria in that compost
this morning, the rate of oxygen consumption leads me to guess that we're up
over 4.0E+9 active bacteria, per gram, dry weight, which is about a
teaspoonful. If you're new to scientific numbers, that is 4 billion active
bacteria, per teaspoonful of compost, which in this case is four days old.

I think we ought to be looking at the population and bio-mass of our
microbial master composters.   Short of that, rate of oxygen consumption
seems like a good indicator of how well we're managing the composting
process.

Working Together to Create a Sustainable Environment,
John A. Crockett, a.k.a. Dr. Mike Robe
Mother Nature's Farms, Inc.
(845) 225-7763
http://www.magicsoil.com/
jac at magicsoil.com
?



From rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu  Wed Apr  2 13:26:57 2008
From: rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu (Rhonda Sherman)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:26:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [USCC] compost and tree planting
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Michele,

I ran across the "don't use compost when planting trees" recommendation
just a couple of weeks ago while scanning "The Rodale Book of Composting."
Everything you were told by your local urban forestry group is stated on
page 223.

I was surprised when I read it, as I hadn't seen anything like that before.

Cheers,

Rhonda Sherman
Extension Solid Waste Specialist
Biological & Agricultural Engineering Department
N. C. State University, Box 7625
Raleigh, NC  27695-7625
Phone 919/515-6770; Fax 919/515-6772
E-mail: rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu
http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/people/faculty/sherman



From wfbr17 at woodsend.org  Wed Apr  2 22:49:48 2008
From: wfbr17 at woodsend.org (Will Brinton)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:49:48 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Compost and tree planting
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	<1611.152.1.16.247.1207160817.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <47F453DC.9080503@woodsend.org>

Hello Composters:

I wonder if it is time for a "soil lesson for composters".

There are many horticulturalists I work with that do NOT recommend 
adding compost to a tree hole. Not all of this is their ignorance of 
compost, as some would like us to believe. They are in fact "pro-soil" 
and especially "pro-native soil" people. They believe in soil, and the 
plant's ability to establish a relationship with it that is long term, 
sustainable. It's wrong for composters to berate them without better 
information or appropriate training,  particularly under the 
circumstances where we have no standards for compost that relate to this 
use.

I am very concerned that people may overlook the value of the tree being 
installed. I recently put in some  1-2" caliper trees and paid $400 - 
600 per tree. I used a dusting of very, very mature compost, not wanting 
to disturb the native soil acceptance.  At my Long Island compost 
seminar recently hosted by Marder's Nursery, the nurserymen said the 
trees they are planting are in the neighborhood of $3,000 each, and they 
are very cautious about what goes in the hole. With container media it's 
different, as with amending topsoil prior to turf installation.

One noticable outcome if you use too much compost in a hole, is called 
subsidence. Essentially all the OM will decay, eventually creating a 
depression in the ground, that is often harmful, and not easily 
corrected.  These are just some considerations before we go off the 
"deep end" with compost, when there are so many appropriate, better uses.

Will Brinton

Rhonda Sherman wrote:

>Michele,
>
>I ran across the "don't use compost when planting trees" recommendation
>just a couple of weeks ago while scanning "The Rodale Book of Composting."
>Everything you were told by your local urban forestry group is stated on
>page 223.
>
>I was surprised when I read it, as I hadn't seen anything like that before.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rhonda Sherman
>Extension Solid Waste Specialist
>Biological & Agricultural Engineering Department
>N. C. State University, Box 7625
>Raleigh, NC  27695-7625
>Phone 919/515-6770; Fax 919/515-6772
>E-mail: rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu
>http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/people/faculty/sherman
>
>
>_______________________________________
>Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show
>January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX.
>The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry.
>Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 
>______________________________________________________________________________
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>
>  
>

-- 
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Woods End Laboratories, Inc.
Mt Vernon MAINE USA 04352
+001 207 293 2457


From waynesr at erthproducts.com  Thu Apr  3 09:58:14 2008
From: waynesr at erthproducts.com (Wayne King Sr.)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:58:14 -0400
Subject: [USCC] SPAM-LOW:   Compost and tree planting
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	<47F453DC.9080503@woodsend.org>
Message-ID: <000901c8959b$25239ea0$6701a8c0@Station1>

Will, David Hill's response to this thread is the best yet as it relates to
your suggestion of "Soil lessons for composters". It's positive,
educational, responsive, and worth repeating:

David Hill's wrote-- 

"I have forwarded your question to the American Nursery and Landscape
Association and will post their response as soon as I receive it.

I am a little amazed that, without regard to whether the tree is B&B, bare
root or container grown, the urban forestry group categorically does not
amend the back fill. As a degreed horticulturist with greater than thirty
years of field experience, I have always set the base of a root ball or
containerized plant on undisturbed soil in the hole and created a transition
zone in the backfill mix, going from the medium in which the tree was gown
to the surrounding soil. Soil physics and hydrology do not allow water to
pass easily between drastically different soil types. Container grown trees
are grown in a very friable, porous medium (often soil less). If this tree
gets planted in a hole with no transitional material, very often water
collects in the planting pit and does not easily drain to the surrounding
soil (called the bath tub effect). Conversely, containerized growing media
tends to dry faster than a native soil. When this happens, water does not
easily or quickly pass fr  om a (denser) native soil to a very porous
planting mix, so the tree may become dessicated while the surrounding soil
has adequate moisture to supply the tree.

The same is true for B&B trees. Field grown trees often have a higher
percentage of clay in order for the root balls to maintain integrity. It is
extremely rare that the nursery soil and the urban soil will be of the same
soil type and/or density, so the physical transition of water is often
impeded.

In any case, by improving the water holding capacity, porosity, and
supplying nutrient and humates while increasing the populations of
beneficial microbes at the root zone, the tree has a better opportunity to
flourish earlier after its planting.

With regard to the roots never wanting to leave the nutrient rich planting
pit, I have seen this quite often however, it is most often a function of
rot-proof (nylon) burlap that was never removed, thus strangling the roots
as they mature or containerized plants improperly planted by not cutting
circling roots (that become girdling roots) from the container when planted.

Hope this helps. I will post the ANLA response."

David Hill
CycleLogic
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-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Will Brinton
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:50 PM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [USCC] Compost and tree planting

Hello Composters:

I wonder if it is time for a "soil lesson for composters".

There are many horticulturalists I work with that do NOT recommend 
adding compost to a tree hole. Not all of this is their ignorance of 
compost, as some would like us to believe. They are in fact "pro-soil" 
and especially "pro-native soil" people. They believe in soil, and the 
plant's ability to establish a relationship with it that is long term, 
sustainable. It's wrong for composters to berate them without better 
information or appropriate training,  particularly under the 
circumstances where we have no standards for compost that relate to this 
use.

I am very concerned that people may overlook the value of the tree being 
installed. I recently put in some  1-2" caliper trees and paid $400 - 
600 per tree. I used a dusting of very, very mature compost, not wanting 
to disturb the native soil acceptance.  At my Long Island compost 
seminar recently hosted by Marder's Nursery, the nurserymen said the 
trees they are planting are in the neighborhood of $3,000 each, and they 
are very cautious about what goes in the hole. With container media it's 
different, as with amending topsoil prior to turf installation.

One noticable outcome if you use too much compost in a hole, is called 
subsidence. Essentially all the OM will decay, eventually creating a 
depression in the ground, that is often harmful, and not easily 
corrected.  These are just some considerations before we go off the 
"deep end" with compost, when there are so many appropriate, better uses.

Will Brinton

Rhonda Sherman wrote:

>Michele,
>
>I ran across the "don't use compost when planting trees" recommendation
>just a couple of weeks ago while scanning "The Rodale Book of Composting."
>Everything you were told by your local urban forestry group is stated on
>page 223.
>
>I was surprised when I read it, as I hadn't seen anything like that before.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rhonda Sherman
>Extension Solid Waste Specialist
>Biological & Agricultural Engineering Department
>N. C. State University, Box 7625
>Raleigh, NC  27695-7625
>Phone 919/515-6770; Fax 919/515-6772
>E-mail: rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu
>http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/people/faculty/sherman
>
>
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From dmhill at aol.com  Thu Apr  3 11:42:50 2008
From: dmhill at aol.com (dmhill@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:42:50 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Compost and tree planting
In-Reply-To: <D6AF24671043704FA503B25AB45654F803413675@esdexch55>
References: <D6AF24671043704FA503B25AB45654F803413675@esdexch55>
Message-ID: <8CA63C0E2BAF2C1-3FC-1508@webmail-de17.sysops.aol.com>


 Michelle, et al

I did receive a response from the VP for Operations at the ANLA. As promised, the response is below:






The simple answer is "no."? ANLA does not invest in the research and
development of the "technical" aspects of growing or planting plants,
primarily because of the local nature of the processes, wide variations in
micro-environments, and the fact that the ideal very often conflicts with what
actually happens at the planting site.



?



Many times issues like these become a "battle of the
academics," and the industry gets caught in the crossfire when the
landscape architects and commercial project managers adopt and enforce
specifications that are not proven over the long term.? Generally, no "extreme" practice
proves out over time.? Folks with
practical knowledge in the field need to get involved in the debate to assure
that the theories don't trump business reality (e.g., landscape contractor
guarantees!).? If you encounter "bad
specs" or unrealistic theory (e.g., on the USCC listserve), you need to do
what you can to keep it real.



?



In the old days, local soils were not so bad, and there
wasn't much soil science anyway, so you just planted with what you had at hand,
maybe a few scoops of peat moss at most.?
Then there was a "movement" to provide plants with
high-performing soils in their micro-environment, so specs called for
"replacing" the existing soil with a highly modified soil mix.? Then it was discovered that heavily modified
"plant pits" held water and discouraged root growth beyond the pit
"boundary."? As far as I know,
the most generally accepted practice now is to "improve" the soil but
do not "replace" it - as the best compromise that would provide
nutrients and micro-organisms to a plant introduced into the landscape in the
short-term, while not creating a "bathtub" environment over the
long-term.? 



?



The real problems occur when you are dealing with
highly-disturbed building sites where there is no "soil" at all, and
the architect's specifications have been ignored throughout the construction of
the building, so the landscape contractor - the last one on the site - is left
with a mix of stone, asphalt, construction debris, including toxins, and clay.? If the specs call for little or no
modification of the soil, the contractor has no good choice at that point -
ignore the specs or bear increase costs that were not included in the bid.? The dream world collides with the real world,
and there is no uniform, national standard - no easy answer.



?



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?



?



________________________



Warren A. Quinn, Esq., CAE



Vice President for Operations



American Nursery & Landscape Association 1000 Vermont
Ave., NW? Suite 300 Washington, DC 20005





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CycleLogic
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-----Original Message-----
From: Young, Michele <Michele.Young at sanjoseca.gov>
To: 'Compost Discussion List' <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 4:06 pm
Subject: [USCC] Compost and tree planting










Greetings to all,

In doing a presentation to our local urban forestry group, I was told that
they never recommend putting compost into the backfill hole when planting a
tree. This is because they feel that roots will not search outside of the
root ball area if there is "food" placed there.  I talked to them about
trenching and augering as a way of putting food into other zones, but they
were steadfast about no compost in the planting hole.

All of the planting guides that I have seen and used from the soil
perspective show a compost soil-blend at planting.  I would love to hear
from professionals out there about their experiences, and advice.  Please
check with your urban forestry folks to see if no compost is a common
recommendation, or just a local practice here in San Jose.

Conflicted in San Jose

Turn Over an Old Leaf - Compost!
 
Michele Young  
City of San Jose
Environmental Services Department
200 E. Santa Clara St.   Tower 10
San Jose,  CA  95113
Phone: (408) 975-2519
FAX: (408) 292-6212 

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From sreil at safelawns.net  Fri Apr  4 11:01:55 2008
From: sreil at safelawns.net (Scott Reil)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:01:55 -0400
Subject: [USCC] MSDS Sheets
Message-ID: <003b01c8966d$347ae4d0$9d70ae70$@net>

Has anyone run into a need for MSDS sheets for compost, or in our case,
liquid compost extract? What's the federal take? Any state issues out there?

 

Scott Reil

Safe Lawns and Landscapes LLC

70 Highland Park Drive

Bloomfield CT 06002

860-243-8733

 


From craigcoker at cox.net  Mon Apr  7 09:18:08 2008
From: craigcoker at cox.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:18:08 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Specs for mushroom compost
Message-ID: <000801c898ba$340faa40$6400a8c0@LAPTOP>

Colleagues:

 

Can anyone please refer me to any available specifications from mushroom
growers as to the physical, chemical and/or biological parameters of
composts suitable for use in a production mushroom growing operation?

 

Many thanks!

Craig

 

Craig Coker

Coker Composting & Consulting

3331 Glade Creek Blvd., Ste. 7

Roanoke, VA 24012

Tel.: (540) 904-2698

Fax: (540) 904-6732

Cell: (540) 874-5168

Email: craigcoker at cox.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com

 

 


From matt at mattcotton.com  Mon Apr  7 09:56:40 2008
From: matt at mattcotton.com (Matthew Cotton)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:56:40 -0700
Subject: [USCC] MSDS Sheets
In-Reply-To: <003b01c8966d$347ae4d0$9d70ae70$@net>
References: <003b01c8966d$347ae4d0$9d70ae70$@net>
Message-ID: <EB4A6868-E559-4841-84B8-36E19568F032@mattcotton.com>

Scott -

This issue comes up from time to time. You might check with Frank  
Shields at Soil Control Labs. I believe he has helped a few  
composters put together the info needed for an MSDS.

frank at compostlab.com

Matthew Cotton
Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC
19375 Lake City Road
Nevada City, CA  95959
(530) 265-4560
Fax (530) 265-4547
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On Apr 4, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Scott Reil wrote:

> Has anyone run into a need for MSDS sheets for compost, or in our  
> case,
> liquid compost extract? What's the federal take? Any state issues  
> out there?
>
>
>
> Scott Reil
>
> Safe Lawns and Landscapes LLC
>
> 70 Highland Park Drive
>
> Bloomfield CT 06002
>
> 860-243-8733
>
>
>
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From alexassoc at earthlink.net  Mon Apr  7 12:00:51 2008
From: alexassoc at earthlink.net (alexassoc@earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:00:51 -0400
Subject: [USCC] MSDS Sheets
In-Reply-To: <003b01c8966d$347ae4d0$9d70ae70$@net>
Message-ID: <FBEKJIOFIPDLAKICFDPKMEFCCLAA.alexassoc@earthlink.net>

Scott,
Several of my clients have had me develop MSDS sheets for compost and
related products. MSDS sheets were developed for chemically based products,
and compost per se, does not need one. However, different buyers today are
demanding them for every product they sell ....so you give them what they
want.
Ron


Ron Alexander
R. Alexander Associates, Inc.
1212 Eastham Drive
Apex, NC 27502
USA
919-367-8350
919-367-8351 fax
alexassoc at earthlink.net
www.alexassoc.net

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Subject: [USCC] MSDS Sheets


Has anyone run into a need for MSDS sheets for compost, or in our case,
liquid compost extract? What's the federal take? Any state issues out there?



Scott Reil

Safe Lawns and Landscapes LLC

70 Highland Park Drive

Bloomfield CT 06002

860-243-8733



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From Brian.Rosa at ncmail.net  Mon Apr  7 11:59:33 2008
From: Brian.Rosa at ncmail.net (Brian Rosa)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:59:33 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Specs for mushroom compost
Message-ID: <8D15541F2E16C84B8BE05C60FF5F0389014F67CF@exchange.sys.p2pays.org>

Hi Craig,
 You probably already looked into these web pages, but if not. This is
pretty weird, I just finished looking these up for the Central Carolina
Community College, Sustainability Group this morning !

Brian


http://www.mushroomcompost.org/

 http://www.hy-techmushroomcompost.com/index.htm


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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig Coker
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] Specs for mushroom compost

Colleagues:

 

Can anyone please refer me to any available specifications from mushroom
growers as to the physical, chemical and/or biological parameters of
composts suitable for use in a production mushroom growing operation?

 

Many thanks!

Craig

 

Craig Coker

Coker Composting & Consulting

3331 Glade Creek Blvd., Ste. 7

Roanoke, VA 24012

Tel.: (540) 904-2698

Fax: (540) 904-6732

Cell: (540) 874-5168

Email: craigcoker at cox.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com

 

 

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From tnthomas at terre-source.com  Mon Apr  7 12:28:54 2008
From: tnthomas at terre-source.com (Tamara Thomas)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:28:54 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Specs for mushroom compost
In-Reply-To: <000801c898ba$340faa40$6400a8c0@LAPTOP>
References: <000801c898ba$340faa40$6400a8c0@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <00c501c898d4$dc3998b0$6400a8c0@MSMCE>

Craig,
	The best reference I've seen is Paul Stamets & J.S.Chilton's "The
Mushroom Cultivator".  There's a chapter on Compost Preparation and another
on Non-Composted Substrates.  There is also a great Appendix containing
Analyses of Materials used in Substrates that I use more than any other
section as a composting consultant.

Best wishes,
Tamara Thomas, P.E.
Terre-SourceLLC
Helping Compost Happen!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Coker [mailto:craigcoker at cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:18 AM
To: USCC Listserv
Subject: [USCC] Specs for mushroom compost

Colleagues:

 

Can anyone please refer me to any available specifications from mushroom
growers as to the physical, chemical and/or biological parameters of
composts suitable for use in a production mushroom growing operation?

 

Many thanks!

Craig

 

Craig Coker

Coker Composting & Consulting

3331 Glade Creek Blvd., Ste. 7

Roanoke, VA 24012

Tel.: (540) 904-2698

Fax: (540) 904-6732

Cell: (540) 874-5168

Email: craigcoker at cox.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com

 

 





From James.Short at state.de.us  Mon Apr  7 14:00:15 2008
From: James.Short at state.de.us (Short James (DNREC))
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:00:15 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Mulch production costs and screening
Message-ID: <7F4C056CA50ABC4A9579D69D9919EBCE01AE1770@DOVERSCLS02N1.state.de.us>

On the issue of mulch production from yard waste (grass clippings,
leaves, braches, brush and Xmas trees) I would like to know the
following:

 

1.	Does anyone have actual cost data to produce mulch from yard
waste via a grinder? Per cubic yard costs would be preferred but per ton
costs will work as well. 
2.	Does anyone have any experience with screening the ground mulch
to remove the fines and using the fines to produce compost? 

 

Any info you can provide would be appreciated.

 

Thank you. 

 

James D. Short

Environmental Scientist IV

Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch

Phone: 302-739-9403

Fax: 302-739-5060

Email : james.short at state.de.us

 

Integrity, Respect, Customer Focus


From craigcoker at cox.net  Mon Apr  7 15:16:41 2008
From: craigcoker at cox.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:16:41 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Mulch production costs and screening
In-Reply-To: <7F4C056CA50ABC4A9579D69D9919EBCE01AE1770@DOVERSCLS02N1.state.de.us>
References: <7F4C056CA50ABC4A9579D69D9919EBCE01AE1770@DOVERSCLS02N1.state.de.us>
Message-ID: <004a01c898ec$4aaffb10$6400a8c0@LAPTOP>

James:

1) The cost of grinding is a function of age of grinder, screen size in the
grinder, type of material being ground (on an easy-hard scale of 1-10:
pallets = 2; yard waste = 6-7 and fibrous palm tree material = 9), on
moisture content, and on freshness (dried and old is easy, fresh and wet
isn't).  

When I was grinding sawmill debarker waste in '01-'03 (which was an easy
grind), costs were ~ $3.50- $4.00 per CY (2002 dollars) with an old beat-up
horizontal.  A client of mine just had some accumulated stumps, etc. ground
up by a contractor with a tub - costs were ~ $6 - $7 / CY, although the job
was bid as a lump sum and the volumes of screened material were estimated.

2) The same client screened his grindings with both a 1/2" and a 1/4" screen
on a Doppstadt trommel.  The overs were kept for bulking agent for his
composting facility; the 1/4" - 1/2" material is selling as a Filtrexx
filter sock media; and the 1/4" minus is selling (as is) as a soil
conditioner.  It's too fine-grained to be of much value in composting (which
prefers a 2"-3" grind), and much of the carbon is likely to be lignin, and
thus of limited bioavailability during the composting timeframe.  Also, many
landscapers still believe you can break up a clay soil by tilling in woody
material directly into the soil (notwithstanding the drain that puts on soil
nitrogen).

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
Craig

Craig Coker
Coker Composting & Consulting
3331 Glade Creek Blvd., Ste. 7
Roanoke, VA 24012
Tel.: (540) 904-2698
Fax: (540) 904-6732
Cell: (540) 874-5168
Email: craigcoker at cox.net
Web: www.cokercompost.com
 

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Subject: [USCC] Mulch production costs and screening

On the issue of mulch production from yard waste (grass clippings,
leaves, braches, brush and Xmas trees) I would like to know the
following:

 

1.	Does anyone have actual cost data to produce mulch from yard
waste via a grinder? Per cubic yard costs would be preferred but per ton
costs will work as well. 
2.	Does anyone have any experience with screening the ground mulch
to remove the fines and using the fines to produce compost? 

 

Any info you can provide would be appreciated.

 

Thank you. 

 

James D. Short

Environmental Scientist IV

Solid and Hazardous Waste Management Branch

Phone: 302-739-9403

Fax: 302-739-5060

Email : james.short at state.de.us

 

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From matt at mattcotton.com  Tue Apr  8 09:10:19 2008
From: matt at mattcotton.com (Matthew Cotton)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 07:10:19 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Seeding from a conveyor?
Message-ID: <6A868DC1-3332-484C-BCC7-72AC6FD537E4@mattcotton.com>

Dear Compost Colleagues:

Has anyone come up with a good way to meter seed directly into a mix  
coming off of a conveyor? I imagine the sophisticated bagging lines  
could do this, but I am looking for a low-tech. solution. Any leads  
appreciated.

Thanks.

Matthew Cotton
Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC
19375 Lake City Road
Nevada City, CA  95959
(530) 265-4560
Fax (530) 265-4547
matt at mattcotton.com
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From ff22 at bellsouth.net  Tue Apr  8 11:51:18 2008
From: ff22 at bellsouth.net (Frank Franciosi)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:51:18 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Seeding from a conveyor?
In-Reply-To: <6A868DC1-3332-484C-BCC7-72AC6FD537E4@mattcotton.com>
Message-ID: <20080408165133.A4C887641C0@mx1.cloudnet.com>

Matt,
You need a volumetric feeder. I used one to add perlite to a potting mix and
stationed it over the fines conveyor. Go to http://www.powderbulk.com where
you'll find the manufacturers of this type of equipment.

Frank Franciosi

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Subject: [USCC] Seeding from a conveyor?

Dear Compost Colleagues:

Has anyone come up with a good way to meter seed directly into a mix  
coming off of a conveyor? I imagine the sophisticated bagging lines  
could do this, but I am looking for a low-tech. solution. Any leads  
appreciated.

Thanks.

Matthew Cotton
Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC
19375 Lake City Road
Nevada City, CA  95959
(530) 265-4560
Fax (530) 265-4547
matt at mattcotton.com
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From Tim at upnplastics.com  Tue Apr  8 11:12:51 2008
From: Tim at upnplastics.com (Tim Howard)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:12:51 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Seeding from a conveyor?
In-Reply-To: <6A868DC1-3332-484C-BCC7-72AC6FD537E4@mattcotton.com>
Message-ID: <7A0FB1D7ED02E94E82332A25EB78C279CB72B8@CARRIER.poly-america.com>

The details are a little sketchy.  If you are looking at large
quantities, a farm grain auger with a variable speed drive on the motor
would serve pretty well.  Most of them can be fitted with a hopper and
can feed at healthy rates.  The size, length and other consideration
would determine the specifications.

If the quantities are smaller an auger or vibratory feeder such as is
used for blending in the plastics industry would serve well.  They
general include arrangements to adjust feed rate as original equipment.

Tim Howard
Up North Plastics
9480 Jamaica Avenue 
Cottage Grove, MN 55406
Desk Phone: 651-734-6237
Direct Fax: 651-734-6537
Email: tim at upnplastics.com
Cell: 612-616-0759
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Cotton
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:10 AM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: [USCC] Seeding from a conveyor?

Dear Compost Colleagues:

Has anyone come up with a good way to meter seed directly into a mix  
coming off of a conveyor? I imagine the sophisticated bagging lines  
could do this, but I am looking for a low-tech. solution. Any leads  
appreciated.

Thanks.

Matthew Cotton
Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC
19375 Lake City Road
Nevada City, CA  95959
(530) 265-4560
Fax (530) 265-4547
matt at mattcotton.com
www.mattcotton.com

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From CAVM at aol.com  Tue Apr  8 12:16:44 2008
From: CAVM at aol.com (CAVM@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:16:44 EDT
Subject: [USCC] Compost in Mexico
Message-ID: <bf3.2abe16ee.352d027c@aol.com>

Is anyone involved in commercial composting in and around Mexico City   I 
have clients near Cernavaca and Puebla who need consulting services.
 
Neal Van Milligen
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From frank at compostlab.com  Tue Apr  8 18:47:51 2008
From: frank at compostlab.com (frank)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:47:51 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Coposting sampling class
In-Reply-To: <47F1FA6F02000044000049C7@emailcon.tceq.state.tx.us>
References: <D6AF24671043704FA503B25AB45654F803413675@esdexch55>	<47ED31D3.6070402@compostlab.com>
	<47F1FA6F02000044000049C7@emailcon.tceq.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <47FC0427.5030602@compostlab.com>

Greetings,

We get requests for training personal and certifying them in compost 
sampling. Anyone doing that? Does USCC have a program for that?

Thanks
frank





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From LewisDV at mda.state.md.us  Tue Apr  8 13:22:50 2008
From: LewisDV at mda.state.md.us (Donald Lewis)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:22:50 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Seeding from a conveyor?
In-Reply-To: <6A868DC1-3332-484C-BCC7-72AC6FD537E4@mattcotton.com>
References: <6A868DC1-3332-484C-BCC7-72AC6FD537E4@mattcotton.com>
Message-ID: <47FB7FBA.B618.00F1.0@mda.state.md.us>

Matt,
 
Any of the solutions described in the replies to your message will work to get a reasonably homogeneous blend. The issue is whether this blend will stay mixed once it leaves the mixing equipment. My experience is that when there are large differences in particle size, the smaller particles tend to sift down through the mixture and are found predominantly in the bottom of the pile. I have no really good suggestions for keeping seed mixed homogeneously in a compost mixture, but I know that the Fertilizer industry has had to address this issue.
 
Don
 
Donald Lewis
Quality Assurance Officer
Maryland Department of Agriculture
State Chemist Section
50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 21401
(410) 841-2721

>>> Matthew Cotton <matt at mattcotton.com> 4/8/2008 10:10 AM >>>
Dear Compost Colleagues:

Has anyone come up with a good way to meter seed directly into a mix  
coming off of a conveyor? I imagine the sophisticated bagging lines  
could do this, but I am looking for a low-tech. solution. Any leads  
appreciated.

Thanks.

Matthew Cotton
Integrated Waste Management Consulting, LLC
19375 Lake City Road
Nevada City, CA  95959
(530) 265-4560
Fax (530) 265-4547
matt at mattcotton.com 
www.mattcotton.com 

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From miriam at risingdove.com  Wed Apr  9 09:20:54 2008
From: miriam at risingdove.com (Miriam A. Kilmer)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:20:54 -0400
Subject: [USCC] composting for Earth Day
Message-ID: <47FC9886.7919.9B6BE23@miriam.risingdove.com>


My Earth Day event is going to be in Mount Jackson, VA (near 
Edinborough, Woodstock, and New Market). The Shenandoah
County Landfill does not have a permit to compost yet, although they 
are working on it. Do you know of anyone not too far away who would 
have my food-contaminated compostable paper and plastic ware composted 
for me, or do you know whom I should ask? There will not be any meat.

-- 
Miriam A. Kilmer <miriam at risingdove.com>
Rising Dove Fine Arts and Services
Fine Arts on the Internet www.risingdove.com 
Rising Dove Bookstore www.risingdove.com/sale/bookstore.asp
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From ff22 at bellsouth.net  Thu Apr 10 09:15:16 2008
From: ff22 at bellsouth.net (Frank Franciosi)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:15:16 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Coposting sampling class
In-Reply-To: <47FC0427.5030602@compostlab.com>
Message-ID: <20080410141528.8A2DEA18A49@mx1.cloudnet.com>

Frank,

Past schools taught in North Carolina we covered this topic briefly. This is
a good topic to add to the new USCC Training Course. I'll add it to the PCC
topics list. We could also add it as STA event at the 2009 Conference or
maybe a condensed version of TMECC sampling protocol in news letter. If you
have some ideas I would like to hear about them. 

Frank Franciosi
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:48 PM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: [USCC] Coposting sampling class

Greetings,

We get requests for training personal and certifying them in compost 
sampling. Anyone doing that? Does USCC have a program for that?

Thanks
frank





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Soil Control Lab
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(831) 724-3188 fax
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From frank at compostlab.com  Wed Apr  9 18:59:16 2008
From: frank at compostlab.com (frank)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:59:16 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Compost in Mexico
In-Reply-To: <bf3.2abe16ee.352d027c@aol.com>
References: <bf3.2abe16ee.352d027c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47FD5854.2080205@compostlab.com>

Dear Neal,
About two years ago we had a person work at our lab for a week learning 
compost testing so he could teach it at the University in Mex. City.
Could not find all the info regarding name etc. but you might check the 
university to see if they still have a program.

Frank


CAVM at aol.com wrote:

>Is anyone involved in commercial composting in and around Mexico City   I 
>have clients near Cernavaca and Puebla who need consulting services.
> 
>Neal Van Milligen
>Kentucky Enrichment Inc
>cavm at aol.com
>
>
>
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>January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX.
>The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry.
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>
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>
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From CAVM at aol.com  Thu Apr 10 19:53:59 2008
From: CAVM at aol.com (CAVM@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:53:59 EDT
Subject: [USCC] Seeding from a conveyor
Message-ID: <d2e.1c4e5bd8.353010a7@aol.com>

 


I have  no really good suggestions for keeping seed mixed homogeneously in a 
compost  mixture,


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------
Our idea was to prill compost around the seeds and make a standard size  soft 
pellet out of the compost/seed combination of uniform size. It also markets  
the compost and gives the seeds a shot in the arm when they germinate.
 
Neal Van Milligen
Kentucky Enrichment Inc
_www.kentuckyenrichment.com_ (http://www.kentuckyenrichment.com) 
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From frank at compostlab.com  Thu Apr 10 17:36:47 2008
From: frank at compostlab.com (frank)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:36:47 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Coposting sampling class
In-Reply-To: <20080410141528.8A2DEA18A49@mx1.cloudnet.com>
References: <20080410141528.8A2DEA18A49@mx1.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID: <47FE967F.5060602@compostlab.com>

Frank
That sounds good to add it to the USCC training cources. Perhaps the S&P 
could develope a course outline.
Then scientist and composters could, by filling it in, put together a 
real world sampling protocol.

Frank


.

Frank Franciosi wrote:

>Frank,
>
>Past schools taught in North Carolina we covered this topic briefly. This is
>a good topic to add to the new USCC Training Course. I'll add it to the PCC
>topics list. We could also add it as STA event at the 2009 Conference or
>maybe a condensed version of TMECC sampling protocol in news letter. If you
>have some ideas I would like to hear about them. 
>
>Frank Franciosi
>-----Original Message-----
>From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
>[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of frank
>Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:48 PM
>To: Compost Discussion List
>Subject: [USCC] Coposting sampling class
>
>Greetings,
>
>We get requests for training personal and certifying them in compost 
>sampling. Anyone doing that? Does USCC have a program for that?
>
>Thanks
>frank
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Soil Control Lab
42 Hangar way
Watsonville, CA  95076
(831) 724-5422 tel
(831) 724-3188 fax
frank at compostlab.com
www.compostlab.com



From hkreher at aol.com  Fri Apr 11 10:25:00 2008
From: hkreher at aol.com (hkreher@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:25:00 -0400
Subject: [USCC] compost heat recovery
Message-ID: <8CA69FF573E4748-E24-1904@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>


I am investigating heat recovery from composting to be used to heat incoming air in our compost building.

I am considering installing pipes in the floor to recover heat from the floor or using negative ventilation on the?windorws and recovering heat from the air drawn through the windrows.

My compost building is used to compost poultry manure and we are located in upstate NY.

I am interested in hearing others' experience with heat recovery.

Hal Kreher
hkreher at aol.com

From matt at mattcotton.com  Fri Apr 11 13:45:03 2008
From: matt at mattcotton.com (Matthew Cotton)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:45:03 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Composting sampling class
In-Reply-To: <47FE967F.5060602@compostlab.com>
References: <20080410141528.8A2DEA18A49@mx1.cloudnet.com>
	<47FE967F.5060602@compostlab.com>
Message-ID: <9DD1ECC1-8B8D-403B-A60D-743E6934975C@mattcotton.com>

Carrie Gregory has taught a "how to sample compost" session as part  
of the Washington Organic Recycling Council's Compost Facility  
Operator Training course for a number of years now. She did an  
excellent indoor version of this (at the WORC class she does it at a  
facility, so you really get a sense of how to approach a pile) at the  
USCC Annual Conference in Oakland during the "Tools of the Trade"  
session. If Carrie is willing and available this will become an  
annual part of the "Tools of the Trade Session", as it was very well- 
received.

Wood's End Labs has an excellent sampling document on their website  
as does the Recycled Organics Unit at the University of New South  
Wales (Australia). I'm sure there is other guidance out there. I  
believe most (if not all) of the sampling language in the TMECC was  
taken from the Wood's End document.

I'm not aware of anyone "certifying" compost samplers in CA (or  
elsewhere). When the California Compost Quality Council (somewhat of  
a pre-cursor to the current STA program) was inspecting participating  
facilities for their program, they used trained inspectors from the  
California Certified Organic Farmers (CCOF) farm inspection program.   
Many of these were located in the Santa Cruz/Monterey area. You might  
try shooting an email to CCOF or OMRI to see if they have any  
inspectors available who want to do compost sample taking training.

Matthew Cotton
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Nevada City, CA  95959
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Fax (530) 265-4547
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On Apr 10, 2008, at 3:36 PM, frank wrote:

> Frank
> That sounds good to add it to the USCC training cources. Perhaps  
> the S&P
> could develope a course outline.
> Then scientist and composters could, by filling it in, put together a
> real world sampling protocol.
>
> Frank
>
>
> .
>
> Frank Franciosi wrote:
>
>> Frank,
>>
>> Past schools taught in North Carolina we covered this topic  
>> briefly. This is
>> a good topic to add to the new USCC Training Course. I'll add it  
>> to the PCC
>> topics list. We could also add it as STA event at the 2009  
>> Conference or
>> maybe a condensed version of TMECC sampling protocol in news  
>> letter. If you
>> have some ideas I would like to hear about them.
>>
>> Frank Franciosi
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
>> [mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of frank
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:48 PM
>> To: Compost Discussion List
>> Subject: [USCC] Coposting sampling class
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> We get requests for training personal and certifying them in compost
>> sampling. Anyone doing that? Does USCC have a program for that?
>>
>> Thanks
>> frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
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From christian.g at mexico.com  Sun Apr 13 19:28:23 2008
From: christian.g at mexico.com (Christian)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:28:23 +0800
Subject: [USCC] Compost in Mexico
Message-ID: <20080414002823.A1DF27B8F1@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com>


Dear Neal. 
 
Commercial composting is necessary in Mexico since plant markets and private gardeners use natural soil removed from nearby forests, and the market for compost is quite new.
Since 1996 I designed and operated a yard trimming composting plant for the Mexico City Government, now I am a environmental consultant in Northern Mexico. 
You can contact me in this E mail or Cell phone 444 230 1162 

Looking forward hearing from you.
Christian Gonzalez.

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From gregory at manitoulin.net  Sat Apr 12 06:21:56 2008
From: gregory at manitoulin.net (gregory th stamler)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:21:56 -0400
Subject: [USCC] ammonia
Message-ID: <7d8f8d1c796601dc081d90121c0a0c5d@manitoulin.net>

Good day.I am in charge of monitoring our aerated/in bag composting of 
fish offal combined with wood shavings. After a day of starting the 
air, the temp. gets to 60 C and a vapor cloud with a strong ammonia 
smell starts coming out of the open toped bag.
I have two questions: Is the nitrogen  portion of the mix too high 
(which I think is)  and should I cover the top of the bag more to 
condense the vapor back into the bag and make the ammonia available to 
the critters doing the work !!
As always your thoughts and questions are welcome. Thanks, Greg at 
Meeker Aquaculture.



From jjrhodes66 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 12 10:45:11 2008
From: jjrhodes66 at yahoo.com (Jeff Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [USCC] screening
In-Reply-To: <9DD1ECC1-8B8D-403B-A60D-743E6934975C@mattcotton.com>
Message-ID: <369244.85668.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am seeking advice for this summers screening process at our compost site.  I am in the market to purchase a new machine but so many decisions.
   
  I realize most prefer a trommel screener but was curious if a deck shaker screen would do ok.  I am involved in the aggegate business as well as compost and a 3 deck machine would give me more variety as far as jobs available to me.  But the number one priority has to be compost.  If anyone could give us insight thanks in advance.
  email direct at decaturcompost at yahoo.com



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From johncossham at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Apr 12 15:46:36 2008
From: johncossham at tiscali.co.uk (john cossham)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:46:36 +0100
Subject: [USCC] compost heat recovery
References: <8CA69FF573E4748-E24-1904@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <006201c89cde$4d2fcc30$0200a8c0@Johnsthingy>

Hi Hal, I have only seen one successful heat recovery system using compost.

It is in operation at 'Offshoots' Permaculture garden in Burnley, England 
(near Manchester) where they have a compostables collection from a lot of 
households.  They use three 'Rocket' compost machines 
(http://www.quickcompost.co.uk/)  which have an archimedes screw type device 
and heating elements to satisfy the legislation which exists in the UK to 
allow food waste to be composted (the Animal By-Products Regulations) and a 
retention time of about 14 days in the machine.

When the stuff is spat out of the rear end of the Rockets, it is held for a 
while in a maturation area where it is fairly exothermic for a while (Yes, 
I've got to the crucial bit!) and some of it is used to heat hand-washing 
water thus:
There is a sealed container of water, a large barrel or oil-drum thingy, 
full of water.  This has a long coiled hosepipe in it, one end connected to 
the mains water supply and the other going to a tap (faucet in US) and a 
sink (Wash-hand basin?).  The water within the drum is heated by maturing 
compost piled around it... the pile of compost completely covers and 
surrounds the barrel, and makes the water quite warm.  The coiled hose 
within the barrel acts as heat exchanger and the potable water becomes 
warm... warm enough to wash composty hands.  I do not know how many 
litres/gallons the coiled hose contains before it flows cold, nor do I know 
how long it takes to reheat the water in the hose.

To heat air from this system might be possible.. perhaps using a 'ground 
source heat pump' type system (like a fridge in reverse) but I'm not an 
expert, just an enthusiast!
Offshoots website: http://www.offshoots.org.uk/

John Cossham, keen home composter, wannabe community composter, founder of 
York Rotters, York UK
johncossham at tiscali.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hkreher at aol.com>
To: <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: [USCC] compost heat recovery


>
> I am investigating heat recovery from composting to be used to heat 
> incoming air in our compost building.
>
> I am considering installing pipes in the floor to recover heat from the 
> floor or using negative ventilation on the?windorws and recovering heat 
> from the air drawn through the windrows.
>
> My compost building is used to compost poultry manure and we are located 
> in upstate NY.
>
> I am interested in hearing others' experience with heat recovery.
>
> Hal Kreher
> hkreher at aol.com
>
> 


From jac at magicsoil.com  Mon Apr 14 20:03:06 2008
From: jac at magicsoil.com (John A. Crockett)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:03:06 -0400
Subject: [USCC] capturing heat from compost
Message-ID: <0JZC00H1IDRLU950@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

Capturing heat from compost is something we've been doing very successfully
for years.  There are two vital parts, knowing how to capture the heat, and
knowing how to manage the composting so that there is a lot of heat to be
captured.

If there is not enough biological activity to require at least 23 times the
volume of compost, in fresh air, every hour, then I feel that there isn't
enough Surplus Microbial Metabolic Heat to excite me.  I have the illusion
that when there is that much activity, oxygen consumers, that the microbial
master composters are getting a lot of work done.

Pull the air through the compost, then have that air which has just been
heated by the compost, past a primary heat exchanger.  The secondary side of
that primary heat exchanger can be air, water or whatever you want. 

Working Together to Create a Sustainable Environment,
John A. Crockett, a.k.a. Dr. Mike Robe
Mother Nature's Farms
(845) 225-7763
http://www.magicsoil.com/
jac at magicsoil.com
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From screenusa at mindspring.com  Mon Apr 14 10:48:57 2008
From: screenusa at mindspring.com (Rick Cohen)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:48:57 -0400
Subject: [USCC] screening
In-Reply-To: <369244.85668.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007901c89e47$0cc17210$0601a8c0@murmansk>

Jeff,
   We manufacture portable shaker screens, trommel screens, and starscreens
all designed for screening compost. The answer to which of the above
screening technologies will be best for your compost depends on many
variables.  You can contact me at 770-433-2440 and I will explain further.

Rick Cohen
President
SCREEN USA, Inc.
770-433-2440
screenusa at mindspring.com


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Rhodes
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:45 AM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening


I am seeking advice for this summers screening process at our compost site.
I am in the market to purchase a new machine but so many decisions.
   
  I realize most prefer a trommel screener but was curious if a deck shaker
screen would do ok.  I am involved in the aggegate business as well as
compost and a 3 deck machine would give me more variety as far as jobs
available to me.  But the number one priority has to be compost.  If anyone
could give us insight thanks in advance.
  email direct at decaturcompost at yahoo.com



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From wfbr17 at woodsend.org  Mon Apr 14 14:26:49 2008
From: wfbr17 at woodsend.org (Will Brinton)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:26:49 -0400
Subject: [USCC] ammonia from Fish compost
In-Reply-To: <7d8f8d1c796601dc081d90121c0a0c5d@manitoulin.net>
References: <7d8f8d1c796601dc081d90121c0a0c5d@manitoulin.net>
Message-ID: <4803AFF9.4080503@woodsend.org>

Gregory

We have been running whole salmon mortalities and aquaculture residue 
composting here recently at fisheries in Maine, and generally assisting 
in composting fish wastes, dating from 1985,  in coordination with the 
Maine Aquaculture Association (Hallowell Maine)

It is very typical of fish composting that the protein-N fraction breaks 
down and releases ammonia far more rapidly than the
carbon fraction can be metabolized by microbes in order to absorb N in 
accordance to their cellular needs of about 12 carbons to one nitrogen.
The rate limiting factor is not so much the nitrogen excess but the 
temporary unavailability of the carbon. You could say that one process 
is chemical and the other biological and that the two are not 
necessarily well coordinated, plus heat intensifies the discordance of 
the chemistries.

Two approaches exist: one is to feed the proteinaceous ingredient more 
slowly (rather than using more carbon per se) which means multiple
additions slowly over days. The other is to use carbon sources that are 
more available, or more naturally absorbent.

In the first USA  manual for composting fish waste published by Woods 
End and the Time & Tide Resource Conservation District (1988)
and the subsequent manual on scallop composting published by Florida Sea 
Grant College and Woods End (1992) the matter of control  of ammonia 
losses, ammonia odor and the CN issues were discussed at length. We 
found  that the ammonia sensory threshold was exceeded as soon as the pH 
of the compost exceed from 8.2 on the low end to 8.8, depending on total 
ammonium content. So if you are smelling it, chances are your pH is now 
somewhere over  8.2, which is quite high. That leads to the third option 
which is reducing pH by addition of peat moss (natural) or 
gypsum+super-phosphate (chemical).

William F Brinton jr President
Woods End Laboratories, Inc.


gregory th stamler wrote:

>Good day.I am in charge of monitoring our aerated/in bag composting of 
>fish offal combined with wood shavings. After a day of starting the 
>air, the temp. gets to 60 C and a vapor cloud with a strong ammonia 
>smell starts coming out of the open toped bag.
>I have two questions: Is the nitrogen  portion of the mix too high 
>(which I think is)  and should I cover the top of the bag more to 
>condense the vapor back into the bag and make the ammonia available to 
>the critters doing the work !!
>As always your thoughts and questions are welcome. Thanks, Greg at 
>Meeker Aquaculture.
>  
>

From hodgesenviro at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 15 10:35:18 2008
From: hodgesenviro at sbcglobal.net (Dan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:35:18 -0500
Subject: [USCC] screening
References: <369244.85668.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c89f0e$50078dd0$4101a8c0@hodges101b0acb>

Jeff:

I don't know what you are screening, but we have (attempted to) screen
biosolids compost with a shaker type unit.  If it's the least bit wet our
experience was that it will blind your screen.  We had to clean the screen 3
times one day and sent the screen back.  It was a day rental.  You might try
a day rental and see if yours works before you invest that kind of money.

Danny Hodges
Hodges Environmental Consulting

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Rhodes" <jjrhodes66 at yahoo.com>
To: "Compost Discussion List" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening


>I am seeking advice for this summers screening process at our compost site. 
>I am in the market to purchase a new machine but so many decisions.
>
>  I realize most prefer a trommel screener but was curious if a deck shaker 
> screen would do ok.  I am involved in the aggegate business as well as 
> compost and a 3 deck machine would give me more variety as far as jobs 
> available to me.  But the number one priority has to be compost.  If 
> anyone could give us insight thanks in advance.
>  email direct at decaturcompost at yahoo.com
>
>
>
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From rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu  Tue Apr 15 10:32:47 2008
From: rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu (Rhonda Sherman)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:32:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [USCC] Heat Recovery From Compost
Message-ID: <50884.71.111.203.82.1208273567.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu>

Hal-
Josh Nelson has developed a heat recovery system from compost piles. Fans
draw air down through the windrows to pipes in the floor. From there, the
compost-heated steam travels to a heat exchanger that warms water in a
bulk tank. The tank water can then be circulated as needed, such as to
heat-radiating pipes in barn or residence floors.

Here's a brief bio on Mr. Nelson: Josh has been professionally involved in
international and domestic agriculture issues and problem solving for 30
years. His work has focused on value added processing and livestock
production. Over the last 15 years, his primary focus has been addressing
improved management of organic waste and compost production. He owned and
operated the largest worm composting facility in the eastern US until
eight years ago, has consulted on business development for Rodale
Institute in several countries, and done professional fund raising and
development work for EARTH University of Costa Rica. He holds several
patents for products developed for the pet and livestock industry and
currently manages AgriLab Technology, Inc., a company whose primary focus
is heat capture from aerobic composting. Josh's phone number is
(802)325-2203 (he's in Vermont).

Regards,
Rhonda Sherman
Extension Solid Waste Specialist
Biological & Agricultural Engineering Department
N. C. State University, Box 7625
Raleigh, NC  27695-7625
Phone 919/515-6770; Fax 919/515-6772
E-mail: rhonda_sherman at ncsu.edu
http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/people/faculty/sherman

> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:25:00 -0400
> From: hkreher at aol.com
> Subject: [USCC] compost heat recovery
> To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
>
> I am investigating heat recovery from composting to be used to heat
> incoming air in our compost building.
>
> I am considering installing pipes in the floor to recover heat from the
> floor or using negative ventilation on the?windorws and recovering heat
> from the air drawn through the windrows.
>
> My compost building is used to compost poultry manure and we are located
> in upstate NY.
>
> I am interested in hearing others' experience with heat recovery.
>
> Hal Kreher
> hkreher at aol.com



From johnb at mdsgroup.net  Wed Apr 16 07:37:01 2008
From: johnb at mdsgroup.net (John Bentley)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:37:01 -0400
Subject: [USCC] screening
In-Reply-To: <001101c89f0e$50078dd0$4101a8c0@hodges101b0acb>
Message-ID: <20080416123219.62E39BA77D7@mx1.cloudnet.com>

Jeff
There is a screening bucket made in Finland called Remu. For more
information You could contact us at MDS 1-800-879-6507.
The web site for the bucket is www.remu.fi It will screen wet material but
is designed to work on an excavator, wheel loader or skid steer loader.
John Bentley

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Hodges [mailto:hodgesenviro at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:35 AM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening

Jeff:

I don't know what you are screening, but we have (attempted to) screen
biosolids compost with a shaker type unit.  If it's the least bit wet our
experience was that it will blind your screen.  We had to clean the screen 3
times one day and sent the screen back.  It was a day rental.  You might try
a day rental and see if yours works before you invest that kind of money.

Danny Hodges
Hodges Environmental Consulting

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Rhodes" <jjrhodes66 at yahoo.com>
To: "Compost Discussion List" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening


>I am seeking advice for this summers screening process at our compost site.

>I am in the market to purchase a new machine but so many decisions.
>
>  I realize most prefer a trommel screener but was curious if a deck shaker

> screen would do ok.  I am involved in the aggegate business as well as 
> compost and a 3 deck machine would give me more variety as far as jobs 
> available to me.  But the number one priority has to be compost.  If 
> anyone could give us insight thanks in advance.
>  email direct at decaturcompost at yahoo.com
>
>
>
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From tim.lcllc at verizon.net  Tue Apr 15 14:56:30 2008
From: tim.lcllc at verizon.net (tim.lcllc@verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:56:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [USCC] screening
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Jeff, I am partial to trommels, we have demoed deck and star types with varying degrees of success. one of the keys to a trommel is the type and size of wire cloth used. You can email me at tim.lcllc at verizon.net should you like.
Tim Hutchinson
Loudoun Composting LLC



>From: Jeff Rhodes <jjrhodes66 at yahoo.com>
>Date: 2008/04/12 Sat AM 10:45:11 CDT
>To: Compost Discussion List <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
>Subject: Re: [USCC] screening

>I am seeking advice for this summers screening process at our compost site.  I am in the market to purchase a new machine but so many decisions.
>   
>  I realize most prefer a trommel screener but was curious if a deck shaker screen would do ok.  I am involved in the aggegate business as well as compost and a 3 deck machine would give me more variety as far as jobs available to me.  But the number one priority has to be compost.  If anyone could give us insight thanks in advance.
>  email direct at decaturcompost at yahoo.com
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From kylec at tssd-wwrec.com  Tue Apr 15 17:44:22 2008
From: kylec at tssd-wwrec.com (Kyle Cluff)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:44:22 -0600
Subject: [USCC] screening
Message-ID: <4804DB66020000D600001328@TSSD1.TSSD-WWREC.COM>

I run a Biosolids composting operation, we use a trommel screen. but we are looking into getting a star screen for our next screen. they seem to screen higher volume's than trommel. we will be keeping our trommel screen also.

Kyle Cluff
Timpanogos Special Service District


>>> "Dan Hodges" <hodgesenviro at sbcglobal.net> 04/15/08 9:35 AM >>>
Jeff:

I don't know what you are screening, but we have (attempted to) screen
biosolids compost with a shaker type unit.  If it's the least bit wet our
experience was that it will blind your screen.  We had to clean the screen 3
times one day and sent the screen back.  It was a day rental.  You might try
a day rental and see if yours works before you invest that kind of money.

Danny Hodges
Hodges Environmental Consulting

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Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening


>I am seeking advice for this summers screening process at our compost site. 
>I am in the market to purchase a new machine but so many decisions.
>
>  I realize most prefer a trommel screener but was curious if a deck shaker 
> screen would do ok.  I am involved in the aggegate business as well as 
> compost and a 3 deck machine would give me more variety as far as jobs 
> available to me.  But the number one priority has to be compost.  If 
> anyone could give us insight thanks in advance.
>  email direct at decaturcompost at yahoo.com
>
>
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From kylec at tssd-wwrec.com  Tue Apr 15 17:54:31 2008
From: kylec at tssd-wwrec.com (Kyle Cluff)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:54:31 -0600
Subject: [USCC] screening
Message-ID: <4804DDC7020000D60000132C@TSSD1.TSSD-WWREC.COM>

Rick
how well do the stars hold up when they get alot of rocks and small logs going over them

Kyle Cluff
Timpaogos Special Service District

>>> "Rick Cohen" <screenusa at mindspring.com> 04/14/08 9:48 AM >>>
Jeff,
   We manufacture portable shaker screens, trommel screens, and starscreens
all designed for screening compost. The answer to which of the above
screening technologies will be best for your compost depends on many
variables.  You can contact me at 770-433-2440 and I will explain further.

Rick Cohen
President
SCREEN USA, Inc.
770-433-2440
screenusa at mindspring.com


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:45 AM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening


I am seeking advice for this summers screening process at our compost site.
I am in the market to purchase a new machine but so many decisions.
   
  I realize most prefer a trommel screener but was curious if a deck shaker
screen would do ok.  I am involved in the aggegate business as well as
compost and a 3 deck machine would give me more variety as far as jobs
available to me.  But the number one priority has to be compost.  If anyone
could give us insight thanks in advance.
  email direct at decaturcompost at yahoo.com



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From michael at plusminerals.com  Tue Apr 15 22:10:20 2008
From: michael at plusminerals.com (Michael)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:10:20 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Composting shellfish residue
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Message-ID: <002401c89f6f$67b28c80$0401a8c0@youra4ed77b49e>

Does anyone have any experience with composting shellfish residue?  I am
looking for a way to reduce the volume and odor of crab and shrimp
shells prior to drying/grinding them.  I plan on adding them to a
pelletized poultry litter fertilizer.

Any help would be appreciated.

Michael 
plusMinerals
Mississippi 

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From jziegenbein at ieua.org  Wed Apr 16 12:13:09 2008
From: jziegenbein at ieua.org (Jeff Ziegenbein)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:13:09 -0700
Subject: [USCC] screening
References: <369244.85668.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<001101c89f0e$50078dd0$4101a8c0@hodges101b0acb>
Message-ID: <74E0091F337EEE4ABD8598079A9747A5027697F3@sky.ieua.org>

I have had good luck screening biosolids compost with trommels and the
CEC Screenit. The Screenit has a shaker deck but has 1" rubber balls
that bounce against the underside to keep it clean. It really depends on
what sizing you are looking for, smaller sizes like 1/4" are tough
through a trommel. Renting is a great idea but it is expensive, you will
probably get a better bang for your dollar setting up demos with
vendors. 

Good luck,

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Hodges [mailto:hodgesenviro at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:35 AM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening

Jeff:

I don't know what you are screening, but we have (attempted to) screen
biosolids compost with a shaker type unit.  If it's the least bit wet
our
experience was that it will blind your screen.  We had to clean the
screen 3
times one day and sent the screen back.  It was a day rental.  You might
try
a day rental and see if yours works before you invest that kind of
money.

Danny Hodges
Hodges Environmental Consulting

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Rhodes" <jjrhodes66 at yahoo.com>
To: "Compost Discussion List" <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening


>I am seeking advice for this summers screening process at our compost
site. 
>I am in the market to purchase a new machine but so many decisions.
>
>  I realize most prefer a trommel screener but was curious if a deck
shaker 
> screen would do ok.  I am involved in the aggegate business as well as

> compost and a 3 deck machine would give me more variety as far as jobs

> available to me.  But the number one priority has to be compost.  If 
> anyone could give us insight thanks in advance.
>  email direct at decaturcompost at yahoo.com
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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Show
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of 
> the composting and organics recycling industry.
> Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and 
> Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: 
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From jac at magicsoil.com  Wed Apr 16 17:49:27 2008
From: jac at magicsoil.com (John A. Crockett)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:49:27 -0400
Subject: [USCC] adding rock dust to compost
Message-ID: <0JZF0023XWQAJBI0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

Does anyone following this list have any experience with, or knowledge of
anyone adding rock dust to early stage compost with the goal of getting
healthier and more productive microbial master composters? 

We've occasionally added some well drilling dust, most particles in the size
range of 0.1 ?m diameter.  I've been told that when they drill a water well
in this area (60 miles north of New York City), that they often go down 400
- 600' and in the process, go through many different kinds of rock.  I am
wondering whether this makes a diversified mineral stew.

I've read that even the microbes are often mineral starved.

Does anyone know how we can research this area?

There is some impressive information on www.remineralize.org.

Working Together to Create a Sustainable Environment,
John A. Crockett, a.k.a. Dr. Mike Robe
Mother Nature's Farms
845) 225-7763
http://www.magicsoil.com/
jac at magicsoil.com
?



From CAVM at aol.com  Thu Apr 17 09:20:21 2008
From: CAVM at aol.com (CAVM@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:20:21 EDT
Subject: [USCC] Composting shellfish residue
Message-ID: <ce8.2d97499f.3538b6a5@aol.com>

 
Michael,  We use shrimp shells in our liquid ferment plant food. We  find 
significant improvement in the plant production when the shells are  included in 
our lactic acid fermentation process.  Normally we ferment fish  offal or 
poultry offal, including mortalities.  If we want to give the  liquid ferment a 
boost we add shrimp shells to the fermentation recipe.
 
Neal Van Milligen
Kentucky Enrichment Inc
_cavm at aol.com_ (mailto:cavm at aol.com) 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------

From:  "Michael" <michael at plusminerals.com>
Subject: [USCC] Composting  shellfish residue
To: "'Compost Discussion List'"  <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID:  <002401c89f6f$67b28c80$0401a8c0 at youra4ed77b49e>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="windows-1250"

Does anyone have any  experience with composting shellfish residue?  I am
looking for a way  to reduce the volume and odor of crab and shrimp
shells prior to  drying/grinding them.  I plan on adding them to a
pelletized poultry  litter fertilizer.

Any help would be appreciated.

Michael  
plusMinerals
Mississippi 


 



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From sreil at safelawns.net  Thu Apr 17 12:18:52 2008
From: sreil at safelawns.net (Scott Reil)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:18:52 -0400
Subject: [USCC] Composting shellfish residue
In-Reply-To: <ce8.2d97499f.3538b6a5@aol.com>
References: <ce8.2d97499f.3538b6a5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006801c8a0af$1c04b290$540e17b0$@net>

Mike, we have had good luck in using EM (Effective Microbes) to knock down
fish smell when applying hydrolysate, so I suspect that would work well for
you...

Scott

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of CAVM at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:20 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: Re: [USCC] Composting shellfish residue

 
Michael,  We use shrimp shells in our liquid ferment plant food. We  find 
significant improvement in the plant production when the shells are
included in 
our lactic acid fermentation process.  Normally we ferment fish  offal or 
poultry offal, including mortalities.  If we want to give the  liquid
ferment a 
boost we add shrimp shells to the fermentation recipe.
 
Neal Van Milligen
Kentucky Enrichment Inc
_cavm at aol.com_ (mailto:cavm at aol.com) 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
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From:  "Michael" <michael at plusminerals.com>
Subject: [USCC] Composting  shellfish residue
To: "'Compost Discussion List'"  <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID:  <002401c89f6f$67b28c80$0401a8c0 at youra4ed77b49e>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="windows-1250"

Does anyone have any  experience with composting shellfish residue?  I am
looking for a way  to reduce the volume and odor of crab and shrimp
shells prior to  drying/grinding them.  I plan on adding them to a
pelletized poultry  litter fertilizer.

Any help would be appreciated.

Michael  
plusMinerals
Mississippi 


 



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From screenusa at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 18 07:30:18 2008
From: screenusa at mindspring.com (Rick Cohen)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:30:18 -0400
Subject: [USCC] screening
In-Reply-To: <4804DDC7020000D60000132C@TSSD1.TSSD-WWREC.COM>
Message-ID: <00b301c8a14f$f63e5e70$0601a8c0@murmansk>

Starscreeners are your best choice for high moisture compost.  If this is
mixed with logs and large rocks, I definitely would suggest drying the
material a little and use a severe shake shaker screen.  We have perfected
the severe shake shaker screen to work well without the ball deck.  In high
moisture, the balls cake up with wet compost and become goose eggs.  

I wish there was one screener that could do it all.

Rick Cohen
President
SCREEN USA, Inc.
770-433-2440
screenusa at mindspring.com


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Cluff
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:55 PM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening


Rick
how well do the stars hold up when they get alot of rocks and small logs
going over them

Kyle Cluff
Timpaogos Special Service District

>>> "Rick Cohen" <screenusa at mindspring.com> 04/14/08 9:48 AM >>>
Jeff,
   We manufacture portable shaker screens, trommel screens, and starscreens
all designed for screening compost. The answer to which of the above
screening technologies will be best for your compost depends on many
variables.  You can contact me at 770-433-2440 and I will explain further.

Rick Cohen
President
SCREEN USA, Inc.
770-433-2440
screenusa at mindspring.com


-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Rhodes
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:45 AM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] screening


I am seeking advice for this summers screening process at our compost site.
I am in the market to purchase a new machine but so many decisions.
   
  I realize most prefer a trommel screener but was curious if a deck shaker
screen would do ok.  I am involved in the aggegate business as well as
compost and a 3 deck machine would give me more variety as far as jobs
available to me.  But the number one priority has to be compost.  If anyone
could give us insight thanks in advance.
  email direct at decaturcompost at yahoo.com



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From Julie.Berbiglia at nashville.gov  Mon Apr 21 08:50:39 2008
From: Julie.Berbiglia at nashville.gov (Berbiglia, Julie (Public Works))
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:50:39 -0500
Subject: [USCC] composting at condominiums and townhouses
Message-ID: <C5A02BCEC083C64DA88172F13C2D15E404A4CFBB@HOBVSISMS01.nashville.org>

We have some developers of LEED certified properties interested in
composting opportunities they can provide to condos and townhouses. Any
suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated! Has anyone used
the Green Cone in these type of situations?
 
-------------------
Best,
 
Julie Berbiglia
Education Specialist
Metro Beautification & Environment Commission
A Division of Metro Public Works
750 South 5th Street
Nashville, TN  37206
615/880-2419 office
615/642-0532 cell
615/862-8799 fax
julie.berbiglia at nashville.gov
www.nashville.gov/beautification
 

From tnthomas at terre-source.com  Mon Apr 21 12:36:59 2008
From: tnthomas at terre-source.com (Tamara Thomas)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:36:59 -0700
Subject: [USCC] composting at condominiums and townhouses
In-Reply-To: <C5A02BCEC083C64DA88172F13C2D15E404A4CFBB@HOBVSISMS01.nashville.org>
References: <C5A02BCEC083C64DA88172F13C2D15E404A4CFBB@HOBVSISMS01.nashville.org>
Message-ID: <00e401c8a3d6$4d88f810$6400a8c0@MSMCE>

Hi Julie,

            I worked on a pilot program with a condominium in Redmond, WA to
provide foodwaste collection.  The collection and education aspect were what
we focused on rather than on-site composting, so we used dedicated totes in
the parking areas.  The primary challenges were - education and high
turnover of some units, finding space in the relatively small kitchens for
collection containers, and finding kitchen containers that were easily
washable to keep odors and insects down.

            Feel free to contact me directly if you would like to discuss
this further.

 

Tami

 

Tamara Thomas, P.E.

Terre-SourceLLC

Helping Compost Happen!

360-336-3536 Office

360-336-3530 FAX

425-844-6068 Field

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Berbiglia, Julie (Public Works) [mailto:Julie.Berbiglia at nashville.gov]

Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:51 AM
To: compost at mailman.cloudnet.com
Subject: [USCC] composting at condominiums and townhouses

 

We have some developers of LEED certified properties interested in

composting opportunities they can provide to condos and townhouses. Any

suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated! Has anyone used

the Green Cone in these type of situations?

 

-------------------

Best,

 

Julie Berbiglia

Education Specialist

Metro Beautification & Environment Commission

A Division of Metro Public Works

750 South 5th Street

Nashville, TN  37206

615/880-2419 office

615/642-0532 cell

615/862-8799 fax

julie.berbiglia at nashville.gov

www.nashville.gov/beautification

 

 


From johncossham at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Apr 21 13:58:03 2008
From: johncossham at tiscali.co.uk (john cossham)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:58:03 +0100
Subject: [USCC] composting at condominiums and townhouses
References: <C5A02BCEC083C64DA88172F13C2D15E404A4CFBB@HOBVSISMS01.nashville.org>
Message-ID: <006401c8a3e1$a5367dc0$0200a8c0@Johnsthingy>

I have trialled the Green Cone as part of my work with York Rotters.  It 
does work to some extent but it is not rodent-proof (the basket under the 
soil is made of plastic and it is easy for a rat to get into it, digging 
through the soil and into the basket) and I don't think it's really any 
better than an ordinary 'dalek' bin for 'doing' the composting.  The basket 
collects the decomposed material and has to be dug out every year or two, 
depending on usage, and it is very unpleasant to do this as the material is 
not aerobic (as under the soil surface) and if meat etc has been added, it 
is horrible.  The double walled nature of the top part of the bin does help 
the materials rot down, my Green Cone is in full sun.  My garden does have a 
high water table during the winter.
I think a better way of composting cooked food, meat etc, is using 2 Bokashi 
bins and an ordinary compost heap, such as a 'dalek' style container. 
Wormeries also work for this kind of material and are good in small spaces 
(I've trialled a Junior Wormery, Original Wormery and am enjoying my Can O 
Worms!) but I look forward to hearing others' experiences of the Green Cone.
John Cossham, York, UK
johncossham at tiscali.co.uk


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Berbiglia, Julie (Public Works)" <Julie.Berbiglia at nashville.gov>
To: <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: [USCC] composting at condominiums and townhouses


We have some developers of LEED certified properties interested in
composting opportunities they can provide to condos and townhouses. Any
suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated! Has anyone used
the Green Cone in these type of situations?

-------------------
Best,

Julie Berbiglia
Education Specialist
Metro Beautification & Environment Commission
A Division of Metro Public Works
750 South 5th Street
Nashville, TN  37206
615/880-2419 office
615/642-0532 cell
615/862-8799 fax
julie.berbiglia at nashville.gov
www.nashville.gov/beautification




From KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us  Tue Apr 22 08:17:12 2008
From: KPowell at kdhe.state.ks.us (KPowell@kdhe.state.ks.us)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:17:12 -0500
Subject: [USCC] Earth Day Kansas on You Tube
Message-ID: <OF62FC2F86.142F05F4-ON86257433.004898DF-86257433.0048FCB0@kdhe.state.ks.us>


In Kansas we do not have any mandates for recycling or composting so we do
public education.  Let me know what you think.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNvXsBSquDo



Ken Powell
Environmental Scientist
SW Processing Facilities Unit
Kansas Department of Health & Environment
Bureau of Waste Management
1000 SW Jackson, Suite 320
Topeka, KS  66612-1366
Phone: (785) 296-1121
Fax: (785) 296-1592
E-mail  kpowell at kdhe.state.ks.us
www.kdheks.gov/waste


From WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us  Tue Apr 22 08:16:40 2008
From: WCARTER at tceq.state.tx.us (William (Bill) Carter)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:16:40 -0500
Subject: [USCC] composting at condominiums and townhouses
In-Reply-To: <C5A02BCEC083C64DA88172F13C2D15E404A4CFBB@HOBVSISMS01.nashville.org>
References: <C5A02BCEC083C64DA88172F13C2D15E404A4CFBB@HOBVSISMS01.nashville.org>
Message-ID: <480D9EE80200004400005A65@emailcon.tceq.state.tx.us>

Just today I received the following link for an in-cabinet composting system: www.naturemill.com. I can't vouch for it but it looks interesting, although it seems to have non-trivial electric power requirements.
 
 
 
Bill Carter
Water Quality Monitoring & Assessment    MC 165
Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
P.O. Box 13087
Austin, TX  78711-3087
Phone:  512-239-6771
Fax:  512-239-4410
wcarter at tceq.state.tx.us

>>> "Berbiglia, Julie (Public Works)" <Julie.Berbiglia at nashville.gov> 4/21/2008 8:50 AM >>>

We have some developers of LEED certified properties interested in
composting opportunities they can provide to condos and townhouses. Any
suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated! Has anyone used
the Green Cone in these type of situations?

-------------------
Best,

Julie Berbiglia
Education Specialist
Metro Beautification & Environment Commission
A Division of Metro Public Works
750 South 5th Street
Nashville, TN  37206
615/880-2419 office
615/642-0532 cell
615/862-8799 fax
julie.berbiglia at nashville.gov
www.nashville.gov/beautification

_______________________________________
Join us at the US Composting Council's 17th Annual Conference & Trade Show
January 26-29th, 2009 at the Westin Galleria in Houston, TX.
The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion of the composting and organics recycling industry.
Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website: www.compostingcouncil.org or call the USCC at 631.737.4931 
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From frank at compostlab.com  Tue Apr 22 15:58:17 2008
From: frank at compostlab.com (frank)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:58:17 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Green house gas info
In-Reply-To: <480D9EE80200004400005A65@emailcon.tceq.state.tx.us>
References: <C5A02BCEC083C64DA88172F13C2D15E404A4CFBB@HOBVSISMS01.nashville.org>
	<480D9EE80200004400005A65@emailcon.tceq.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <480E5169.3070701@compostlab.com>


Greeting Composters,

Just some interesting info on production and expectations on greenhouse 
gas and biomass.

http://allpowerlabs.org/papers/GHGPathwaysStudyPacInst.pdf

Frank

-- 
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Soil Control Lab
42 Hangar way
Watsonville, CA  95076
(831) 724-5422 tel
(831) 724-3188 fax
frank at compostlab.com
www.compostlab.com



From mian461 at ECY.WA.GOV  Tue Apr 22 17:27:44 2008
From: mian461 at ECY.WA.GOV (Andrews, Michelle (ECY))
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:27:44 -0700
Subject: [USCC] composting at condominiums and townhouses
In-Reply-To: <006401c8a3e1$a5367dc0$0200a8c0@Johnsthingy>
References: <C5A02BCEC083C64DA88172F13C2D15E404A4CFBB@HOBVSISMS01.nashville.org>
	<006401c8a3e1$a5367dc0$0200a8c0@Johnsthingy>
Message-ID: <26C2BEE3F5933642ABF5751ECA9CDE000AE114@EcyMXLcy02.ecy.wa.lcl>

I worked for Thurston County Solid Waste (Olympia WA) for 7+ years
promoting the use of compost bins as a means of waste reduction,
including Green Cones.  For the most part, they were well received by
the public, to the point that Thurston County continues to subsidize
them (www.compostbinsthurstoncounty.com)

One way to get around rodents chewing through the basket is to attach
hardware cloth (1/4" or smaller holes) to the outside of the basket -
prior to placing it into the ground.  When digging a hole for the Green
Cone, it's a good idea to dig the hole in an area that has good drainage
and which is a potential location of a place in which you might want to
plant something (since after you move the cone/basket you will have a
good size hole - perfect for planting!).  And as John pointed out, the
double wall construction is a solar process, it works best in full sun.
 
Michelle Andrews
WA State Dept of Ecology
mian461 at ecy.wa.gov

-----Original Message-----
From: compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com
[mailto:compost-bounces at mailman.cloudnet.com] On Behalf Of john cossham
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:58 AM
To: Compost Discussion List
Subject: Re: [USCC] composting at condominiums and townhouses

I have trialled the Green Cone as part of my work with York Rotters.  It

does work to some extent but it is not rodent-proof (the basket under
the 
soil is made of plastic and it is easy for a rat to get into it, digging

through the soil and into the basket) and I don't think it's really any 
better than an ordinary 'dalek' bin for 'doing' the composting.  The
basket 
collects the decomposed material and has to be dug out every year or
two, 
depending on usage, and it is very unpleasant to do this as the material
is 
not aerobic (as under the soil surface) and if meat etc has been added,
it 
is horrible.  The double walled nature of the top part of the bin does
help 
the materials rot down, my Green Cone is in full sun.  My garden does
have a 
high water table during the winter.
I think a better way of composting cooked food, meat etc, is using 2
Bokashi 
bins and an ordinary compost heap, such as a 'dalek' style container. 
Wormeries also work for this kind of material and are good in small
spaces 
(I've trialled a Junior Wormery, Original Wormery and am enjoying my Can
O 
Worms!) but I look forward to hearing others' experiences of the Green
Cone.
John Cossham, York, UK
johncossham at tiscali.co.uk


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Berbiglia, Julie (Public Works)" <Julie.Berbiglia at nashville.gov>
To: <compost at mailman.cloudnet.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: [USCC] composting at condominiums and townhouses


We have some developers of LEED certified properties interested in
composting opportunities they can provide to condos and townhouses. Any
suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated! Has anyone used
the Green Cone in these type of situations?

-------------------
Best,

Julie Berbiglia
Education Specialist
Metro Beautification & Environment Commission
A Division of Metro Public Works
750 South 5th Street
Nashville, TN  37206
615/880-2419 office
615/642-0532 cell
615/862-8799 fax
julie.berbiglia at nashville.gov
www.nashville.gov/beautification



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Show
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The National forum for those involved in the development and expansion
of the composting and organics recycling industry.
Conference Highlights, Registration forms, Exhibitor information and
Sponsorship Opportunities available at the USCC website:
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From kelly.bolger at comcast.net  Thu Apr 24 08:04:13 2008
From: kelly.bolger at comcast.net (kelly.bolger@comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:04:13 +0000
Subject: [USCC] Concentrated compost tea brews?
Message-ID: <042420081304.18170.4810854D000B457E000046FA22165279669D0A0904010DD29704040A05@comcast.net>

Does anyone have information on the effective nature of concentrated compost tea mixtures that have dormant bacterial cultures in them?  I have been approached by a distributor of Alaskan humified soil concentrate, and I am highly sceptical of the microbial properties.  I do not doubt that the humified soil with the worm castings, kelp, and crab meal acts as an excellent organic fertilizer, but am not sure of the science that I was sold with the dormant phase sporulated bacteria cultures.  I am not saying that it is not possible, I am just sceptical.  Does anyone have any hard science to back this up?

Regards,

Kelly Bolger
Project Manager
 
Christy Webber Landscapes
2900 W. Ferdinand Street
Chicago IL, 60612
phone number 773.533.0477
fax number 773.533.0771
www.christywebber.com

From Peck.Cara at epamail.epa.gov  Wed Apr 23 12:47:20 2008
From: Peck.Cara at epamail.epa.gov (Peck.Cara@epamail.epa.gov)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:47:20 -0700
Subject: [USCC] Anaerobic Digestion of Food Waste Final Report Available
Message-ID: <OFA185D008.B8E8D8D5-ON88257434.0060F753-88257434.0061B79F@epamail.epa.gov>


Greetings,

The US EPA, Region 9 Office of Pollution Prevention and Solid Waste is
pleased to announce the final report "Anaerobic Digestion of Food
Waste."

In 2006 EPA Region 9 awarded a $50,000 grant to East Bay Municipal
District (EBMUD), a wastewater treatment facility in Oakland, California
to investigate anaerobically digesting food wastes from restaurants,
grocery stores and other food-handling facilities at a wastewater
treatment facility.? EBMUD bench-scale digesters were fed only food
wastes, but were operated under a variety of conditions, varying
digester loading rates, temperature, and other parameters.  The project
recovered significant quantities of energy from food waste as well as
high volatile solids reduction, showing the potential of diverting large
quantities of valuable food waste from landfills.

The final report and a fact sheet summarizing the results can be found
on our website at
http://www.epa.gov/region09/waste/organics/ad/index.html

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Thank You,
Cara Peck
U.S. EPA Region 9
Office of Pollution Prevention and Solid Waste
(415)972-3382
Peck.Cara at epa.gov

Recycling: It is not just about landfill diversion, it is about
replacing virgin material production which will significantly reduce
energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions.


From alh54 at cornell.edu  Fri Apr 25 09:40:27 2008
From: alh54 at cornell.edu (Allison L H Jack)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:40:27 -0400
Subject: [USCC] concentrated compost tea brews
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20080425102731.01dbcca0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu>

Hi Kelly,

You are right to be skeptical about these kinds of products. I'm doing my 
doctoral dissertation research at Cornell in Plant Pathology and I work 
with the microbiology of vermicompost and non-aerated vermicompost teas. 
 From 6 years of scientific literature searches, I can tell I have found 
nothing in a peer reviewed journal about concentrated compost tea mixtures 
with dormant bacterial cultures and their effects on plant growth and/or 
health. If anyone on the list has found a reputable reference on this 
topic, please let me know. With that said, I will mention that many of the 
individual microorganisms with the ability to suppress plant diseases are 
spore-formers (Bacillus spp., etc.) so there is a possibility that this 
product does contain dormant beneficial bacteria. The problem is that the 
number and diversity of known beneficial bacteria does not correlate with 
disease suppression when you are working with the kinds of complex 
microbial communities found in compost and compost teas. There is just so 
much we don't know in this field and very few people are working towards 
scientifically sound answers.

I'm currently conducting on-farm field trials with vermicomposted dairy 
manure as a potting media amendment. One of the growers we're collaborating 
with wanted to try what sounds like a similar product (Alaskan humified 
something or other), so we added it into the trial. I'll be assaying the 
material for its ability to suppress Pythium damping off, so I should learn 
something useful about the microbes in this product. We just started the 
project and when I get the website up, I'll share it with this list. We'll 
be posting a lot of our results as we go along.

-Allison


**************************************************************************************
Allison L H Jack
Graduate Student
Department of Plant Pathology and Plant-Microbe Biology
http://pppmb.cals.cornell.edu
Cornell University
335 Plant Science
Ithaca, NY 14850
607.273.5762
************************************************************************************* 


"...Advancing a productive and sustainable agriculture"
from the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences mission statement

From craigcoker at cox.net  Wed Apr 30 13:51:42 2008
From: craigcoker at cox.net (Craig Coker)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:51:42 -0400
Subject: [USCC] NRCS EQIP data
Message-ID: <004a01c8aaf3$3b05a660$6400a8c0@LAPTOP>

Colleagues:

 

Does anyone know if there is a central repository or contact person who
could tell me how much Environmental Quality Improvement Program (EQIP)
money has been invested by the USDA's Natural Resources Conservation Service
(NRCS) for Conservation Practices No. 316, Animal Mortality Management and
No. 317, Composting Facility over the past couple of fiscal years? It would
be ideal if that data were organized by State.

 

Many thanks,

Craig

 

 

Craig Coker

Coker Composting & Consulting

3331 Glade Creek Blvd., Ste. 7

Roanoke, VA 24012

Tel.: (540) 904-2698

Fax: (540) 904-6732

Cell: (540) 874-5168

Email: craigcoker at cox.net

Web: www.cokercompost.com